Gunman with automatic rifle shooting in the Netherlands

[JD50]

Why bother when you get 30 bullet clips? I know a guy who got shot 20 times in broad daylight in a 7-11 over a girl. Two semi-automatic handguns with 60 bullets is enough to do some serious damage to a lot of people and a lot easier to conceal.

What is a 30 bullet clip?

 

[JD50]

The point is and remains, regardless if you are conservative or liberal, wait a few weeks, and we will find a new total nut job some where else.

As conservatives blame Liberals and liberals blame conservatives, but at the end of the day, insanity is hereditary, we get it from our children.

Why should some random nut be an indictment for an entire nation?

I agree. If only liberals would use that same logic when there's a shooting in this country.

 

[JD50]

That was a good one. Lots of great video of cops getting shot.

http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&s...wQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=590bae2b80118e03

What is wrong with you?

 

[alphatarget1]

The North Hollywood bank shootout?

Yeah but they did it for a purpose (of robbing a bank). This guy probably just went nuts.

My condolences to OP's country and the victims...

 

[wuliheron]

What is wrong with you?

What? You don't like watching cops get shot? No accounting for taste. Personally, watching Bambi get shot bothers me a lot more. Can't stand to watch football or boxing either since Ali came out shaking like a leaf (shudderrrrrr.)

 

[rudeguy]

Kind of ironic that here in America, there's never been an (illegal) shooting committed with a fully automatic weapon. I didn't think people could even have them in the Netherlands, and yet here's a mass shooting with one?

yes there has

and the article said nothing about a fully auto weapon. It said automatic, which usually means semi-auto.

 

[William Gaatjes]

According to the news :

As it turns out the guy did have a history. As it turns out he was committed in 2006 before because of a suicidal history. What of course amazes everybody is how a person who has a recent suicidal psychological history can obtain a gun license to keep 5 weapons at home.


The gun license procedure to have guns at home from what i understand of it :
The procedure is that there must be 2 vaults. One vault to store the pistols and one vault to store ammunition separately.
The license expires after one year and must be renewed.
One must not have a criminal record that is 4 to 8 years old(depending on the crime committed).
Lookalike fake (toys) weapons are forbidden by law.


Of course now the political establishment is asking why there is no check of the psychological history for someone who is applying for a gun license.

For as far as i can tell the shooter used a semi automatic weapon and according to the police fired around 100 bullets.

Full automatic weapons are forbidden in the Netherlands but that does not seem to stop people. Occasionally on police raids, many full automatic weapons have been retrieved from perpetrators.

 

[Tom]

I agree. If only liberals would use that same logic when there's a shooting in this country.

All the liberals I know favor spending money to help people with mental health issues.

 

[xj0hnx]

yes there has

and the article said nothing about a fully auto weapon. It said automatic, which usually means semi-auto.

Yes, there have been shootings with illegal full autos, pretty sure he meant to say legally owned full auto.

 

[Schadenfroh]

yes there has

and the article said nothing about a fully auto weapon. It said automatic, which usually means semi-auto.

Ok, so let me get my terminology straight with the media's reporting of gun crimes...

Media | Meaning

"Automatic" = Semi-Automatic (one bullet per trigger pull)
"High Capacity" = More than 10 rounds
"Clip" = Magazine
"perpetrator uses pistol to slaughter innocents, lawmakers call for reforms" = Lawmakers seek to increase regulation of semi-auto assault rifles (ie bring back Assault-Weapons ban)

 

[JD50]

All the liberals I know favor spending money to help people with mental health issues.

Cool. That doesn't have anything to do with my post though.

 

[Anarchist420]

Gun control is stupid because then people will just use knives. People are more than 2x as likely to be stabbed in the United Kingdom as they are to be shot in the United States.

Also, a lot of the people getting shot here are gang members against other gang members.

 

[wuliheron]

Gun control is stupid because then people will just use knives. People are more than 2x as likely to be stabbed in the United Kingdom as they are to be shot in the United States.

Also, a lot of the people getting shot here are gang members against other gang members.

Does that mean I can buy a nuke. I've always wanted one and all those people are going to get stabbed or shot anyway.

 

[ElFenix]

Does that mean I can buy a nuke. I've always wanted one and all those people are going to get stabbed or shot anyway.

we gave the right to regulate nukes to the feds.

 

[wuliheron]

we gave the right to regulate nukes to the feds.

You can't give away constitutional rights son. Someone has to take them from you.

 

[werepossum]

What is a 30 bullet clip?

Evidently they go in the M-1 Super Sport. It's the new mega-stripper, get yours now!

 

[bfdd]

sad story, fucking psychopaths.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

You can't give away constitutional rights son. Someone has to take them from you.

Nuke = Ordnance

Guns = Arms

There is a big difference between the two that the founders of this nation were very aware of hence the specific wording of the language in the 2nd amendment that refers to arms and not ordnance

 

[wuliheron]

arms
noun (plural) /ärmz/
arms, plural

Weapons and ammunition; armaments
- they were subjugated by force of arms
- arms exports

Distinctive emblems or devices, originally borne on shields in battle and now forming the heraldic insignia of families, corporations, or countries

 

[DucatiMonster696]

arms
noun (plural) /ärmz/
arms, plural

Weapons and ammunition; armaments
- they were subjugated by force of arms
- arms exports

Distinctive emblems or devices, originally borne on shields in battle and now forming the heraldic insignia of families, corporations, or countries

A nuke is a piece of military ordnance.

Just like mortars, rockets, artillery pieces, NUKES, etc.. There is a distinct difference between the two phrases that maybe you just can't comprehend.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Ordnance

Ordnance (ˈɔːdnəns)

— n
1. cannon or artillery
2. military supplies; munitions

Word Origin & History:

ordnance

"cannon, artillery," a clipped form of ordinance (q.v.) which was attested from late 14c. in the sense of "military materials, provisions of war;" a sense now obsolete but which led to those of "engines for discharging missiles" (early 15c.) and "branch of the military concerned with stores and materials" (late 15c.). The shorter word was established in these distinct senses by 17c. Ordnance survey (1833), official survey of Great Britain and Ireland, was undertaken by the government under the direction of the Master-General of the Ordnance (a natural choice, because gunners have to be skilled at surveying ranges and distances).

 

[Fern]

You can't give away constitutional rights son. Someone has to take them from you.

Well, if owning nukes were a constitutional right, the SCOTUS took that away in the last 2nd Amendment case.

Fern

 

[wuliheron]

A nuke is a piece of military ordnance.

They call it the nuclear ARMS race. Not the nuclear ordnance race. Ordnance are merely a specific type of arms just as guns are just a specific type of arms.

 

[wuliheron]

Well, if owning nukes were a constitutional right, the SCOTUS took that away in the last 2nd Amendment case.

Fern

Its unconstitutional and, therefore, a reason for revolution!

 

[Zebo]

Gun control is stupid because then people will just use knives. People are more than 2x as likely to be stabbed in the United Kingdom as they are to be shot in the United States.

Also, a lot of the people getting shot here are gang members against other gang members.

Knives? You can kill a whole room of people with a pitcher of gasoline. Not to mentions cars, bombs, bare hands etc ...basically it's infinite.

All guns do is level playing field. So someone bigger stronger faster or smarter can't victimize and carry out their sociopathic behavior as easily.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

They call it the nuclear ARMS race. Not the nuclear ordnance race. Ordnance are merely a specific type of arms just as guns are just a specific type of arms.

To semi-quote Penn and Teller, "Please show me where else in the Constitution the founding fathers fucked up the wording?"

Hint: Your point fails because it is based on a modern day interpretation and usage of the word "Arms" vs what the distinction of the word "arms" vs "ordnance" in the era of the signing of the Constitution.