Gunman with automatic rifle shooting in the Netherlands

[William Gaatjes]

Gunman started firing an automatic weapon at random people in a shoppingmall in Alphen aan de Rijn. After that he shot himself in the head.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/04/09/netherlands.mall.shooting/index.html


The identity seems to be known but is not yet proven.

 

[wuliheron]

It's gotta be the video game Doom. That's what inspired Columbine.

 

[William Gaatjes]

It's gotta be the video game Doom. That's what inspired Columbine.

I wish that was the case.

In reality it is the cutbacks on psychological help for psychological unstable people and convicted criminals. When looking at the people in prisons in the Netherlands specifically but in generally in most western countries, there is a large group that is just mentally unstable. But also people who are mentally unstable and receive help are suffering because of the cutbacks because there are less guides and counselors . And the more cutbacks happen, the more these mentally unstable people will slip through because of an increased burden on the health system. It will happen more and more. The increased reduction of trust in the medical world and medicine manufacturers will also not help.
Also the people in the western world get more separated and less socially active. By this i do not mean communicating by use of twitter or facebook. I mean looking out for one and other in real life.

I can assure you that just as the Tucson shooter of Gabrielle Gifford, (Jared Lee Loughner) this guy in the Netherlands will have a mental history.

Sane people do not do these kinds of things.

EDIT:
I have to add that most mentally unstable people are also not violent. Some are but with counseling can be prevented from falling into the void and the use of violence.

 

[Nebor]

Kind of ironic that here in America, there's never been an (illegal) shooting committed with a fully automatic weapon. I didn't think people could even have them in the Netherlands, and yet here's a mass shooting with one?

 

[PeshakJang]

Kind of ironic that here in America, there's never been an (illegal) shooting committed with a fully automatic weapon. I didn't think people could even have them in the Netherlands, and yet here's a mass shooting with one?

Putting a time range on that figure? Cause yeah.... prohibition and all...

 

[Nintendesert]

Kind of ironic that here in America, there's never been an (illegal) shooting committed with a fully automatic weapon. I didn't think people could even have them in the Netherlands, and yet here's a mass shooting with one?

The North Hollywood bank shootout?

 

[Zebo]

Gunman started firing an automatic weapon at random people in a shoppingmall in Alphen aan de Rijn. After that he shot himself in the head.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/04/09/netherlands.mall.shooting/index.html


The identity seems to be known but is not yet proven.

Another misunderstander of religion of peace is my bet going into sudden jihad syndrome.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Kind of ironic that here in America, there's never been an (illegal) shooting committed with a fully automatic weapon. I didn't think people could even have them in the Netherlands, and yet here's a mass shooting with one?

There are enough weapons out there illegally. Once in a while a police raid happens and a few weapons are found. But sometimes a police raid happens with over 50 weapons ranging from pistols to fully automatic rifles. Illegal arms dealers are doing good business in the EU. It is easier with out border checking or border patrol. One of things i a am against with was the removing of constant border checks (Something about the Schengen treaty). It is so easy to smuggle these days it seems. Now border control happen but it is more a once in a while setup only with police from different countries organizing a raid on roads.

 

[wuliheron]

The North Hollywood bank shootout?

That was a good one. Lots of great video of cops getting shot.

http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&s...wQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=590bae2b80118e03

 

[William Gaatjes]

Another misunderstander of religion of peace is my bet going into sudden jihad syndrome.

Actually, unconfirmed sources reveal the person is a native dutch who had a indeed a history of violence.
A blond 25 year old resident who is known by the police.

According to the newspapers the name is : Tristan van der Vlis. That would be a dutch name.

EDIT:
According to the papers he has no military background, but did have a license to own guns and was a member of a shooting range facility.

 

[PeshakJang]

That was a good one. Lots of great video of cops getting shot.

http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&s...wQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=590bae2b80118e03

Excuse me?

 

[Zebo]

Actually, unconfirmed sources reveal the person is a native dutch who had a indeed a history of violence.
A blond 25 year old resident who is known by the police.

According to the newspapers the name is : Tristan van der Vlis. That would be a dutch name.

EDIT:
According to the papers he has no military background, but did have a license to own guns and was a member of a shooting range facility.

I'm not sure what race or nationality has to do with it?? Every heard of Jihad Jane?

 

[wuliheron]

Excuse me?

I don't know what you want to be excused for but, OK, I excuse you.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Actually, unconfirmed sources reveal the person is a native dutch who had a indeed a history of violence.
A blond 25 year old resident who is known by the police.
According to the newspapers the name is : Tristan van der Vlis. That would be a dutch name.
EDIT:
According to the papers he has no military background, but did have a license to own guns and was a member of a shooting range facility.

Don't deny poor Zebo his spurious assumptions; without them he would be quite lost.

 

[Lemon law]

Well sad but true, another case where the overall human genome is slightly improved with the removal of a total nut.

Does it really matter why the nut was a nut, there is no explaining irrationality.

As it is, does that Dutch case become a poster child for gun control? In my case, I have to somewhat say no, because the Dutch already practice gun control.

But somehow a lone nut got a hold of WMD, and after that, shit always happens.

 

[Corn]

Excuse me?

Just another typical peaceful and tolerant liberal expressing glee at criminals' attempts to murder the protectors of the society at which they profess to cherish. Don't question, just accept liberal logic for what it is.

 

[Lemon law]

The point is and remains, regardless if you are conservative or liberal, wait a few weeks, and we will find a new total nut job some where else.

As conservatives blame Liberals and liberals blame conservatives, but at the end of the day, insanity is hereditary, we get it from our children.

Why should some random nut be an indictment for an entire nation?

 

[NoStateofMind]

The North Hollywood bank shootout?

First thing to come to mind for me too.

 

[schneiderguy]

Kind of ironic that here in America, there's never been an (illegal) shooting committed with a fully automatic weapon. I didn't think people could even have them in the Netherlands, and yet here's a mass shooting with one?

I think it's that there hasn't been a shooting with a legally owned automatic weapon since the 1934 NFA that regulated them.

People that want an automatic weapon to go kill a bunch of people aren't bothered with following the law, they'll just get one from the drug dealer down the street instead of paying $200 or whatever it is to register an automatic weapon + thousands of dollars for a pre 1984 automatic weapon.

 

[Nebor]

I think it's that there hasn't been a shooting with a legally owned automatic weapon since the 1934 NFA that regulated them.

People that want an automatic weapon to go kill a bunch of people aren't bothered with following the law, they'll just get one from the drug dealer down the street instead of paying $200 or whatever it is to register an automatic weapon + thousands of dollars for a pre 1984 automatic weapon.

Right. Still surprising given then tens of thousands of legally owned fully automatic weapons in civilian hands in our country that the only notable crime with one involved hastily modified rifles in the NWH bank robbery.

 

[wuliheron]

Right. Still surprising given then tens of thousands of legally owned fully automatic weapons in civilian hands in our country that the only notable crime with one involved hastily modified rifles in the NWH bank robbery.

Why bother when you get 30 bullet clips? I know a guy who got shot 20 times in broad daylight in a 7-11 over a girl. Two semi-automatic handguns with 60 bullets is enough to do some serious damage to a lot of people and a lot easier to conceal.

 

[Murloc]

Right. Still surprising given then tens of thousands of legally owned fully automatic weapons in civilian hands in our country that the only notable crime with one involved hastily modified rifles in the NWH bank robbery.

you also have to consider the fact that in the US it's common to carry a gun around and the laws are more lax.
This makes carrying weapons like wuliheron said a better option, because no one will freak out if they see a handgun and it's legal to be carrying one around town.

In europe it doesn't make as much of a difference since you need special permissions to carry guns in your pockets and you risk being stopped, so you're taking it out of your car just before use anyway.

 

[KMFJD]

There are enough weapons out there illegally. Once in a while a police raid happens and a few weapons are found. But sometimes a police raid happens with over 50 weapons ranging from pistols to fully automatic rifles. Illegal arms dealers are doing good business in the EU. It is easier with out border checking or border patrol. One of things i a am against with was the removing of constant border checks (Something about the Schengen treaty). It is so easy to smuggle these days it seems. Now border control happen but it is more a once in a while setup only with police from different countries organizing a raid on roads.

When was the last time there where any border controls? It has to be a long time ago...

 

[William Gaatjes]

When was the last time there where any border controls? It has to be a long time ago...

it is more of a police raid really, Just stopping automobiles to a parking lot. And checking papers and material. A random procedure but based upon suspicions i would think.

 

[William Gaatjes]

I think it's that there hasn't been a shooting with a legally owned automatic weapon since the 1934 NFA that regulated them.

People that want an automatic weapon to go kill a bunch of people aren't bothered with following the law, they'll just get one from the drug dealer down the street instead of paying $200 or whatever it is to register an automatic weapon + thousands of dollars for a pre 1984 automatic weapon.

Well, i think the issue is more the accidents and crimes that fit "crime passional" that make guns dangerous. You can kill someone with a fork. But a fork was not invented for the reason to kill someone. Neither is a pencil. Yet it is possible to kill someone with a fork or a pencil but not as easy as with a gun. If you are determined to kill someone, it is really easy to do with almost anything. But a device designed to make it as easy as possible sure lowers the threshold to do so.

Guns make stupid actions more dangerous. That is the idea behind anti gun laws.
Criminals who want a gun and who are determent to get one will get one.
But idiots with idiot behavior are prevented with anti gun laws.

It is a statistics variable.