Gun Fight

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Munchies
You can make current day BAR's like mine into synthetic stocked battle rifles, I think it goes up to 308 mag if im not mistaken. I know 7mm rem mag is in there too. I dont see body armor stopping a 7mm rem mag.

A 7mm rem mag has only a few hundred more ft/lbs in energy than a 30-06, so unless 7mm RM AP bullets exist, that's probably equivilant to a 30-06 AP.

Teflon coat them

Teflon! w00t! Reduce the barrel wear, that'll stop'em. Oh, wait... n/m 😛

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Munchies
You can make current day BAR's like mine into synthetic stocked battle rifles, I think it goes up to 308 mag if im not mistaken. I know 7mm rem mag is in there too. I dont see body armor stopping a 7mm rem mag.

A 7mm rem mag has only a few hundred more ft/lbs in energy than a 30-06, so unless 7mm RM AP bullets exist, that's probably equivilant to a 30-06 AP.

Teflon coat them

Teflon coating is done to reduce friction in the barrel when using hardened-core bullets; it has very little or no effect on penetration.

Teflon bullets can very easily penetrate kevlar vests.....

They are nicknamed 'Cop Killers' and are extremely illegal.

Edit: just read what you posted, never saw that.

And now you know that they don't penetrate kevlar vests 🙂

 

[RGN]

Originally posted by: oSReApEr

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Barrett .50 cal. Deagle.

Game over.

If you were to fire the barrett incorrectly u run the risk of fracturing your sholder or breaking your collar bone, and a Desert Eagle .50 cal can fracture ur wrist if not help properly (Its very heavy). Thos weapons are overkill lol and the .50 AE is very inaccurate due to extrodinary recoil. The Barret .50 BMG is very bad in an urban situation due to its brute power. It would rip through your target and possible go through a few layers of brick inflicting death/injury to civilans 🙁

There is no way in hell a DE .50 will fracture ones wrist. It has a very lazy recoil. Its not even a magnum round.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: RGN

Originally posted by: oSReApEr

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Barrett .50 cal. Deagle.

Game over.

If you were to fire the barrett incorrectly u run the risk of fracturing your sholder or breaking your collar bone, and a Desert Eagle .50 cal can fracture ur wrist if not help properly (Its very heavy). Thos weapons are overkill lol and the .50 AE is very inaccurate due to extrodinary recoil. The Barret .50 BMG is very bad in an urban situation due to its brute power. It would rip through your target and possible go through a few layers of brick inflicting death/injury to civilans 🙁

There is no way in hell a DE .50 will fracture ones wrist. It has a very lazy recoil. Its not even a magnum round.

Did you ever get around to using one??

 

[BadNewsBears]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Munchies
You can make current day BAR's like mine into synthetic stocked battle rifles, I think it goes up to 308 mag if im not mistaken. I know 7mm rem mag is in there too. I dont see body armor stopping a 7mm rem mag.

A 7mm rem mag has only a few hundred more ft/lbs in energy than a 30-06, so unless 7mm RM AP bullets exist, that's probably equivilant to a 30-06 AP.

Teflon coat them

Teflon coating is done to reduce friction in the barrel when using hardened-core bullets; it has very little or no effect on penetration.

I am not up on this, however I do remember a ban on coated bullets as they were feared to be used as armor penetration rounds. If this is not true, why is was this the case? Serious question.

My uncle has pre ban 9mm AP's. I have 1 bandoiler of WW2 non corrosive 30-06 AP's in Garand clips. For my bar I have Winchester Supremes, in 150 grain I believe, wich are hollow pointed and telfon coated.


**Edit**
Forgot to say teflon coating has no affect on penetration.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Munchies
You can make current day BAR's like mine into synthetic stocked battle rifles, I think it goes up to 308 mag if im not mistaken. I know 7mm rem mag is in there too. I dont see body armor stopping a 7mm rem mag.

A 7mm rem mag has only a few hundred more ft/lbs in energy than a 30-06, so unless 7mm RM AP bullets exist, that's probably equivilant to a 30-06 AP.

Teflon coat them

Teflon coating is done to reduce friction in the barrel when using hardened-core bullets; it has very little or no effect on penetration.

I am not up on this, however I do remember a ban on coated bullets as they were feared to be used as armor penetration rounds. If this is not true, why is was this the case? Serious question.

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Thanks for the link!

Guess I have to ditch those DU rounds 😉

 

[JulesMaximus]

Hell, 40 yards with light body armor?

That's easy. I'd use my Winchester .300 Win Mag hunting rifle with scope and I'd carry my S&W model 629 .44 Magnum as a side arm.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: oSReApEr

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Barrett .50 cal. Deagle.

Game over.

If you were to fire the barrett incorrectly u run the risk of fracturing your sholder or breaking your collar bone, and a Desert Eagle .50 cal can fracture ur wrist if not help properly (Its very heavy). Thos weapons are overkill lol and the .50 AE is very inaccurate due to extrodinary recoil. The Barret .50 BMG is very bad in an urban situation due to its brute power. It would rip through your target and possible go through a few layers of brick inflicting death/injury to civilans 🙁

That's a load of crap. The DE .50 isn't going to fracture your wrist. That's a big heavy gun and probably would be no more punishing to shoot than a S&W airweight .38 with +P loads. Hell, I've fired a S&W Mountain Gun and that was less punishing than an airweight .38 with +P rounds.

 

[Actaeon]

AWP/AWM (as long as I can no scope), with a Desert Eagle.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I've fired a Desert Eagle chambered in .44 magnum and it was a pussy cat to shoot as far as felt recoil is concerned. It would be a pretty weak wrist that breaks under that recoil. Better watch out while typing, that might also break your wrist.

DE is a big heavy tank of a gun and felt recoil is more a combination of muzzle velocity and the weight of the weapon you are firing it from.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: oSReApEr

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Barrett .50 cal. Deagle.

Game over.

If you were to fire the barrett incorrectly u run the risk of fracturing your sholder or breaking your collar bone, and a Desert Eagle .50 cal can fracture ur wrist if not help properly (Its very heavy). Thos weapons are overkill lol and the .50 AE is very inaccurate due to extrodinary recoil. The Barret .50 BMG is very bad in an urban situation due to its brute power. It would rip through your target and possible go through a few layers of brick inflicting death/injury to civilans 🙁

No, you arent going to shatter your shoulder with a barrett, without some effort to accomplish it. There are many other rifles that you can shatter your collarbone with if held incorrectly, however the barret M82 (which is presumably the one we are talking about, and not the M95 or M99) has a very good system to spread out the force of the recoil.

The heaviness of the Desert Eagle helps with felt recoil, so I dont know WTF you are talking about there. For an experiment, try shooting a large, heavy pistol chambered in 45 ACP, then shoot a small 45 ACP designed for CC, and you'll understand. And compared to most pistols chambered in 454 Casull, 500 S&W, 475 or 500 Linebough (sic?), etc, the recoil on a Desert Eagle chambered in 50 AE is actually fairly tame. Furthermore, DE in 50 AE is fairly accurate for a pistol of its size.

Regarding the bold: First of all, all cartridges by themselves are rather inaccurate, you need to put them in a gun with a rifled barrel 😉 Second of all, I wouldnt call groups averaging 1 3/8" @ 25 yards "very innaccurate".

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: oSReApEr
lol jerk

lmao

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
I am not up on this, however I do remember a ban on coated bullets as they were feared to be used as armor penetration rounds. If this is not true, why is was this the case? Serious question.

Most rounds that people fire have a surface composed of soft metal so that the barrel wear is minimized. AP bullets designs usually try to minimize the expansion of the bullet at the nose (lower cross section = better penetration with a given amount of energy). So you dont want a soft metal jacket, you want something hard. But that hard exterior has to be pushed through the barrel, and while it is getting pushed, the barrel forces it to spin. You dont want to wear out your barrel, you dont want to compromise the design of your bullet with regards to construction... so you make it slippery.

 

[Amorphus]

Originally posted by: oSReApEr

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007
How far away will the target(s) be? Will they be wearing any armor? What type? What is the environment? For a plain urban setting with little or no armor, I'd probably take an M4 and a 1911 Commander size.

Good question, Its an urban setting and ur about 40 yards away from your target. The target is wearing a Kevlar vest and a Kevlar helmet.

O, 2
B, 4, 6
B, 1, 3
comma, comma
period, period, period



The end. And I'd crouch, too. And hop around.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
I am not up on this, however I do remember a ban on coated bullets as they were feared to be used as armor penetration rounds. If this is not true, why is was this the case? Serious question.

Most rounds that people fire have a surface composed of soft metal so that the barrel wear is minimized. AP bullets designs usually try to minimize the expansion of the bullet at the nose (lower cross section = better penetration with a given amount of energy). So you dont want a soft metal jacket, you want something hard. But that hard exterior has to be pushed through the barrel, and while it is getting pushed, the barrel forces it to spin. You dont want to wear out your barrel, you dont want to compromise the design of your bullet with regards to construction... so you make it slippery.

Copper does a very good job at not wearing the barrel of a gun. I've fired many thousands of rounds (all of it copper jacketed) through Colt and Glock handguns I own over the past 10 years and both barrels look as clean and unscared as they did when I bought them new.

 

[chocobaR]

I wish I had a Beam Rifle and 2 Beam Sabers.

 

[RagingBITCH]

OICW w/ Grenade Launcher 🙂

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
I am not up on this, however I do remember a ban on coated bullets as they were feared to be used as armor penetration rounds. If this is not true, why is was this the case? Serious question.

Most rounds that people fire have a surface composed of soft metal so that the barrel wear is minimized. AP bullets designs usually try to minimize the expansion of the bullet at the nose (lower cross section = better penetration with a given amount of energy). So you dont want a soft metal jacket, you want something hard. But that hard exterior has to be pushed through the barrel, and while it is getting pushed, the barrel forces it to spin. You dont want to wear out your barrel, you dont want to compromise the design of your bullet with regards to construction... so you make it slippery.

Starting from the tip and moving backward, once the section becomes cylindrical, a harder coat isn't necessary, because there won't be any impact on the rearward parts of the bullet.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

40 yards with light armor. I will change my vote to a 232. I have seen a hollow point 232 blow apart a concrete block at about 100 yards. We acidentally got a couple military issue teflon coated ones and they went through the concrete block before the hollow points blew it up.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
40 yards with light armor. I will change my vote to a 232. I have seen a hollow point 232 blow apart a concrete block at about 100 yards. We acidentally got a couple military issue teflon coated ones and they went through the concrete block before the hollow points blew it up.

I assume you are talking about 223 Rem, since I dont recall any military issued rounds in 232. BOTOH, you did type it that way twice, so....

 

[K1052]

FAL with a 12 inch barrel and a 30 round mags


Edit: on second thought 50 caliber Mark 7

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: K1052
FAL with a 12 inch barrel and a 30 round mags


Edit: on second thought 50 caliber Mark 7

Thats a 16.5" wide bullet, or 1650 caliber. He said rifle/shotgun, not naval cannon.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
40 yards with light armor. I will change my vote to a 232. I have seen a hollow point 232 blow apart a concrete block at about 100 yards. We acidentally got a couple military issue teflon coated ones and they went through the concrete block before the hollow points blew it up.

I assume you are talking about 223 Rem, since I dont recall any military issued rounds in 232. BOTOH, you did type it that way twice, so....

You are exactly right. My bad. I am sleep deprived and dislexic.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

You'd take out half a block from just the blast. I LIKE IT! Not to mention that that would basically just desimate the person you shot it at.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
40 yards with light armor. I will change my vote to a 232. I have seen a hollow point 232 blow apart a concrete block at about 100 yards. We acidentally got a couple military issue teflon coated ones and they went through the concrete block before the hollow points blew it up.

It's not difficult to break up a concrete block with a bullet. .223 is a very small round just slightly larger than .22 long rifle but moving much much faster. I wouldn't make a choice like this based on what you saw a round do to a block of concrete which is very easy to break up. Actually, your choice isn't a bad one...just your reasoning is. I doubt .223 would penetrate body armor though. You would do well to aim for a headshot.