Guildwars 2 Beta Thread

[Worthington]

You can do everything with heroes these days (as long you know the game mechanics or can copy builds), especially since a single person can add 7 of them.

It still is much more interesting than WoW quests/dungeons. Raids require one to have a bunch of free time, etc, etc. Might be ok for younger people, but once you reach the point of having to schedule stuff, meh, it isn't the kind of stuff I want to do. And I bet there are more people like me.

I managed to solo all of Abbadon's Gate (in fact all of the fire islands missions) with the Pre-Update henchman. No heroes, no flags for positioning, none of that stuff existed yet.

That was a challenge.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Ah ok I didn't realize heroes were so good, I haven't used them that much. I agree with you about raiding, I can't keep to a schedule in games. I generally play games when I have free time and I won't ditch my real life friends just to keep up in a game.

If you have the skills and game experience, they are better than the average human player: they don't rage quit, they aren't rude, they don't draw penises or vaginas on the radar, they follow targets, they don't complain when you need to do something in the middle of a mission like attend to a baby.

At least none of my heroes bring resurrect on its bar...

I wish I could strangle any player that uses that idiot skill, especially if they are monks (to all of you silly guild wars players that might be reading this - MONKS AREN'T MEANT TO REZ, apart from Unyielding Aura)!

On the other hand, they aren't as interesting as nice people or as good as competent players.

The first Guild Wars is 3 or 4 games in one - solo or small cooperative game, MMORPG, casual PvP, serious PvP.

 

[VashHT]

If you have the skills and game experience, they are better than the average human player: they don't rage quit, they aren't rude, they don't draw penises or vaginas on the radar, they follow targets, they don't complain when you need to do something in the middle of a mission like attend to a baby.

At least none of my heroes bring resurrect on its bar...

I wish I could strangle any player that uses that idiot skill, especially if they are monks (to all of you silly guild wars players that might be reading this - MONKS AREN'T MEANT TO REZ, apart from Unyielding Aura)!

On the other hand, they aren't as interesting as nice people or as good as competent players.

The first Guild Wars is 3 or 4 games in one - solo or small cooperative game, MMORPG, casual PvP, serious PvP.

Haha yeah there were a lot of bad players, one of the reasons I was happy that bots were in the game. I didn't realize heroes were so powerful, I have a lot of skills unlocked from prophecies but I've only played a little of nightfall I might check it out some more.

 

[zinfamous]

Haha yeah there were a lot of bad players, one of the reasons I was happy that bots were in the game. I didn't realize heroes were so powerful, I have a lot of skills unlocked from prophecies but I've only played a little of nightfall I might check it out some more.

MM Nec; N/Rt Curses Nec; N/Rt Resto Nec; Rt Resto; Rt Spirit Spammer; Mes Dom; Mes Illusion is pretty much unbeatable.

Get the proper skills and good gear, and those heroes will trounce through Hardmode.

Monks are rather useless as healers now, hehe.

NF has a lot of essential skills, especially for Mes and Ele (fire). With the way GW is currently structured, it's the best campaign to start out on. Or, at least, get your character to LA or Kaineng and travel to NF to unlock everything. A lot of the best heroes are late to later game NF, and they need to be unlocked.

 

[VashHT]

MM Nec; N/Rt Curses Nec; N/Rt Resto Nec; Rt Resto; Rt Spirit Spammer; Mes Dom; Mes Illusion is pretty much unbeatable.

Get the proper skills and good gear, and those heroes will trounce through Hardmode.

Monks are rather useless as healers now, hehe.

NF has a lot of essential skills, especially for Mes and Ele (fire). With the way GW is currently structured, it's the best campaign to start out on. Or, at least, get your character to LA or Kaineng and travel to NF to unlock everything. A lot of the best heroes are late to later game NF, and they need to be unlocked.

Ah thanks for the info, I think I got a few missions into NF before I stopped playing. Is there a reason to use a N/Rt for resto instead of just using another Rt or is it just the number of RT's you end up with?

 

[zinfamous]

Ah thanks for the info, I think I got a few missions into NF before I stopped playing. Is there a reason to use a N/Rt for resto instead of just using another Rt or is it just the number of RT's you end up with?

I think people have mostly abandoned that N/RT--it used to be part of the "Sabway" 3 Nec build, where you simply use those 3 Nec heroes and any henchies you want. It was quite unstoppable for most of Hard Mode. This was before they allowed you to fill up your team with heroes.

The balance for that is soul reaping--You know, how Necs get energy regen after something dies. Even after the nerf (now it occurs only 3 seconds, or so--not giving you the energy bomb when wiping out a mob at once), it is still effective. Adding a MM to the team that is effective at blowing up its own minions, provides a constant stream of energy to your healer Nec, so they tend to be much better healers than monks. I always added in a Prot monk as backup (always preferred prot to healing, anyway: preventing damage > healing damage), but prot is generally out of favor, now. Whatever, still works.

Now that you can add all heroes, the two Rits--using Razah as a Rit, though he can be anything you want him to be, is another constant energy prot/healing build. You get the advantage of spirit shields. While minions are great as meat shields, they are somewhat unpredictable. spirits act as nice walls that keep your back line out of danger. Spirits are also now instant-cast--most of them, anyway. I remember most of those rituals taking 2-4 second cast time, so this change has made them much more useful.

MM isn't as favored, anymore, as you run into places that don't provide exploitable corpses (though I think the change to Aura of the Lich allows for exploiting previously-unexploitable creatures, like elementals and such, though I'm probably wrong about that.) You also have the problem of Minions running off and aggro everything.

 

[Gothgar]

This looks better every time I look at it.

 

[GaiaHunter]

The balance for that is soul reaping--You know, how Necs get energy regen after something dies. Even after the nerf (now it occurs only 3 seconds, or so--not giving you the energy bomb when wiping out a mob at once), it is still effective.

You can get up to 3 soul reaping triggers every 15 seconds (if you are full energy, soul reaping doesn't trigger so you still have the 3 triggers). The change isn't that significant imo.

MM isn't as favored, anymore, as you run into places that don't provide exploitable corpses (though I think the change to Aura of the Lich allows for exploiting previously-unexploitable creatures, like elementals and such, though I'm probably wrong about that.) You also have the problem of Minions running off and aggro everything.

Just don't take the MM in areas with few corpses, otherwise it is pretty good, especially now with the HM armor change for life, allowing minion auto attacks to deal more damage.

Aura of the lich exploit all corpses in earshot creating that many minions +1. So atleast 1 minion every cast even without corpses.

 

[zokudu]

Level 6 on a Nightfall Warrior. Honestly I'm getting burnt out already. These quests suck, I don't know what I'm doing half the time and monsters give so little experience they're almost not worth killing.

 

[zinfamous]

Level 6 on a Nightfall Warrior. Honestly I'm getting burnt out already. These quests suck, I don't know what I'm doing half the time and monsters give so little experience they're almost not worth killing.

while on noob island in NF, focus on grabbing as many Sunspear bounties as you can, earning points as you go along. You can just follow the main quest lines to go from mission to mission until you are off noob island. the final mission to get you off is pretty fun the first time through.

I'm not sure what skills you have access to at that point in NF, as a warrior, but as soon as you are able to leave noob island, you are able to travel to Kaineng in Factions. that's a good place to run to and not only get tons of skills, but level much quicker through the Kaineng area quests. ...they are mostly fetch quests, but you can unlock and complete a pile of them at once, all while int he same explorable zone. Each gives about 3k xp, iirc.

 

[VashHT]

Level 6 on a Nightfall Warrior. Honestly I'm getting burnt out already. These quests suck, I don't know what I'm doing half the time and monsters give so little experience they're almost not worth killing.

I wouldn't worry about leveling on mobs it's pointless. You level up fast enough from doing missions and quests. When I travel between areas I just kill the mobs that get in the way, I don't run around and kill everything. I'm not sure how fast it goes in NF but in the original game I was level 20 before I was halfway through the missions.

 

[zokudu]

Alright got some awesome music blasting and I'm ready to get back in and level up some more. Would you guys suggest completing all side quests before moving along the primary mission line? I have a few left around the second city area but my primary mission takes me past the next city.

 

[VashHT]

I think I only did the ones with sunspear bounties as rewards but I started the campaign with a level 20 I had from prophecies so I wasn't worried about getting experience or anything. It might be worth it to do them I'm not sure how much xp they give.

 

[zokudu]

Hmm I got another mission that needs me to reach sunspear first spear. I'm ~100 points away. Grinding time I guess? I did all the quests that give sunspear rep I think. By the way maybe we should move back on topic to GW2 talk. I heard something about a PvP interview recently like yesterdayish. Anyone know where to find that?

Found it. GW2 PvP Roundtable - http://www.guildwarsinsider.com/2012/01/guild-wars-2-pvp-roundtable/

 

[zinfamous]

I wouldn't worry about leveling on mobs it's pointless. You level up fast enough from doing missions and quests. When I travel between areas I just kill the mobs that get in the way, I don't run around and kill everything. I'm not sure how fast it goes in NF but in the original game I was level 20 before I was halfway through the missions.

Prophecies is incredibly slow for leveling. it was designed to put you near the end of the Southern Shiverpeaks--whatever the after-desert Shiverpeaks are called--at about level 17. The extra attribute quests also appear at that time, which is very late in the game.

Factions was brought out to be very PvP friendly, and as such, you're ~level 15-17 upon completing noob island. That, and the extra attribute quests are finished before reaching the main continent. Same with Nightfall, but it's a bit slower than Factions. Chance to change secondary profession also comes early in the newer campaigns.

Unless you pay someone to fast level your toon, one of the quickest ways to do it is to do the quests in Kaineng area. at about 3k/quest, that's a huge leap from 50-100xp/quest in Prophecies.

 

[zinfamous]

Hmm I got another mission that needs me to reach sunspear first spear. I'm ~100 points away. Grinding time I guess? I did all the quests that give sunspear rep I think. By the way maybe we should move back on topic to GW2 talk. I heard something about a PvP interview recently like yesterdayish. Anyone know where to find that?

Found it. GW2 PvP Roundtable - http://www.guildwarsinsider.com/2012/01/guild-wars-2-pvp-roundtable/

If your goal is to level up your character right now, just follow the main quest lines that unlock the missions, and complete the missions. running from zone to zone, just pick up the sunspear bounties. Of course, do kill whatever you want to kill, especially trying out builds and hero builds. Once you do that 4th mission on noob island, you can access Kaineng via boat. --you have to do a mission with brother Menhlo--I think he appears at consolate docks, which is the first place in NF to find max armor (you cna also find people in Kamadan that will ferry you to consolate docks. this will always give you access to it. I think you can still unlock the mission for Factions, but have to complete that mission to progress in NF.)

I forget where and how to get the 2 attribute quests in NF--I only have 2 NF characters--but they should be on noob island. Those are essential, so be sure to complete them when you find them. The game tends to direct you towards them, so don't worry about missing them. ...It's possible they are on the mainland of Kourna, in Sunspear Sanctuary after you venture off of noob island.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Level 6 on a Nightfall Warrior. Honestly I'm getting burnt out already. These quests suck, I don't know what I'm doing half the time and monsters give so little experience they're almost not worth killing.

I would go axe for now.

If you have some character in Kaineng center, I would use it unlock the Dismember.



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This for early levels should do it. Of course an elite would be nice as well. And get whirlwind attack as soon as you can.

Can also use frenzy plus some cancel stance (best would be rush, but need some guy that can reach copperhammer mines or ember light camp.

I forget where and how to get the 2 attribute quests in NF--I only have 2 NF characters--but they should be on noob island. Those are essential, so be sure to complete them when you find them. The game tends to direct you towards them, so don't worry about missing them. ...It's possible they are on the mainland of Kourna, in Sunspear Sanctuary after you venture off of noob island.

You will get those quests very easily as they are tied with the sunspear rank.

First one is Rising in the Ranks: Master Sergeant and the second one is Rising in the Ranks: First Spear. I'm not even sure if one can advance without doing them. Anyway, the guy, Runduk, is in Sunspear Great Hall.

 

[zokudu]

Press Beta NDA dropped today. TONS AND TONS of info everywhere. So far I liked Mike B's city explorations and his BFF report. I wish Totalbiscuit had something up. Any interesting stuff you guy have found today?

 

[VashHT]

I've only looked at the write up on kotaku which was alright, he went over a lot of stuff but kept it really brief. I'm still really liking what I hear about GW2, the pvp sounds like it's going to be great and the quest system sounds really interesting.

The only thing that worried me was he complained about performance, he said it was unplayable on anything other than the lowest settings. I didn't watch any of the videos from his preview though, I'm at work so I have to wait until I get home then I'm gonna check out a lot more stuff.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm not stressed about performance, they seemed to make GW1 run acceptably on almost anything. Fingers crossed that GW2 is unique, fun to explore and challenging.

 

[zokudu]

The cities look amazing. I plan on playing a Charr but I dunno where I will want to level. The Norn city looks really great and if the Norn didn't have the worst running animation ever I'd play one. Then again have you guys seen the fly through of the Asura city? I just cannot decide. The Black Citadel seems really underwhelming by comparison.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlb0b7_guild-wars-2-rata-sum-capitol-of-the-asura_videogames

 

[zinfamous]

The cities look amazing. I plan on playing a Charr but I dunno where I will want to level. The Norn city looks really great and if the Norn didn't have the worst running animation ever I'd play one. Then again have you guys seen the fly through of the Asura city? I just cannot decide. The Black Citadel seems really underwhelming by comparison.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlb0b7_guild-wars-2-rata-sum-capitol-of-the-asura_videogames

but who wants to play as a midget Asura gnome?



pretty amazing, though, when comparing capital cities in GW to those in GW2. Ratta Sum in GW1 looks like it was conceived in an afternoon, haha. Though, it's clear that GW2 is a fundamentally different game, though it looks like it will manage to be familiar enough. amazing.

Anyhoo, I'll likely go Charr for a warrior class, then human/Nord for my thief and Mes classes, which will likely be my mains.

I wonder how long it will take ANet to ban me after creating the slutty characters that they obviously want you to create (like in GW1), then give them appropriately slutty names? I hope I can break my GW1 record!

 

[zokudu]

but who wants to play as a midget Asura gnome?



pretty amazing, though, when comparing capital cities in GW to those in GW2. Ratta Sum in GW1 looks like it was conceived in an afternoon, haha. Though, it's clear that GW2 is a fundamentally different game, though it looks like it will manage to be familiar enough. amazing.

Anyhoo, I'll likely go Charr for a warrior class, then human/Nord for my thief and Mes classes, which will likely be my mains.

I wonder how long it will take ANet to ban me after creating the slutty characters that they obviously want you to create (like in GW1), then give them appropriately slutty names? I hope I can break my GW1 record!

You can take an Asura gate from any major city to any other right from level 1. So as soon as you get out of your tutorial instance you could go somewhere else to level. I plan on playing a Charr but I may "move" to Rata Sum early on.

Everything that's come out in the press today has been amazingly positive. I haven't heard anyone say that Anet hasn't done what they said they would do. Questing is new and different, classic Trinity is broken for the most part, Huge world pvp is back. This game is looking like its going to live up to the hype. I cannot wait to get my hands on it. I'm going to be in for a CE ASAP.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

well, looks like this game does indeed kick the shit out of swtor, already.

 

[NoSoup4You]

Agreed all around, GW2 looks unbelievably good.