Guess the 2019 Intel desktop product!

[Midwayman]

Silicon Lottery's results have kind of convinced me there really isn't room for anything higher. Maybe 4.4 or 4.5 but not all core and would be rare enough to be a Threadripper only deal. Zen 2 is of course TBD but as I said if Zen 2 turns out to be faster in gaming there really isn't anything Intel can do about it until Tigerlake at the minimum.

Given all the problems Intel is having with 10 nm I would have to assume at this point that the desktop part would be 14 nm.

Probably 14nm, but Intel has more frequency headroom if they want to be as aggressive as AMD about binning. If they were shipping a 5ghz stock all core version of a 8700k....

 

[epsilon84]

Even so, it will likely be a higher wattage chip then the 2700.

How did you draw that conclusion? A 2700X draws 145W in Cinebench compared to 91W for the 8700K:

Assuming identical clocks/voltages and linear power scaling with additional cores, a '9700K' would draw 33% more power than a 8700K, which would equate to 121W for the Cinebench test, significantly lower than the 2700X.

I'm also confused about how you think a 8C/16T CFL chip wouldn't outperform an 8C/16T Ryzen considering the IPC and clockspeed advantages from Intel? Just look at a 8700K vs 2600X and that will give you a good idea of the delta between the two architectures when at core parity.

 

[moinmoin]

Probably 14nm, but Intel has more frequency headroom if they want to be as aggressive as AMD about binning. If they were shipping a 5ghz stock all core version of a 8700k....

Skylake X already is Intel being more aggressive than AMD about binning...