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What will Intel release for mainstream desktop in 2019?

  • Icelake (as originally intended with 8 CPU cores/48 EU max)

    Votes: 21 26.6%
  • Icelake (with core counts/GPU reduced)

    Votes: 3 3.8%
  • "Champagne Lake" (14++ Coffee Lake with some minor improvements)

    Votes: 35 44.3%
  • Rushed out Tiger Lake/ Core EMIB

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Moar Coffee Lake!

    Votes: 13 16.5%
  • Nothing!!

    Votes: 5 6.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Total voters
    79
  • Poll closed .
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To offer an expensive Halo part, that brings in more margin rich top end sales, and keeps the mind-share in the Intel camp. 8 core CL gives Intel the best mainstream socket CPU for everything. Why wouldn't they do that?

It is looking more certain that 8 Core Coffee Lake is coming in Q4 2018.
German IT Distributor Publishes AMD+Intel Roadmaps: Z490, Z390, 8-Core CFL in Q4

Which means it will be the top Intel mainstream socket CPU for most of 2019. So it will definitly win Intel late 2018 and early 2019, and it will probably even put up a good fight against 7nm Ryzen, though that may depend on how many cores AMD is bringing to mainstream and how fast 7nm GF clocks.
That's not very convincing on the 8 core idea, though. I hope it's true. Leaks should not be far away if it's true.
 

PeterScott

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That's not very convincing on the 8 core idea, though. I hope it's true. Leaks should not be far away if it's true.
The OEM slips/leaks of 8C CFL, became a lot more convincing to me, after Intel revealed the 10nm won't hit HVM till somewhere in 2019, and that almost certainly won't be for desktop.

So now it's a case of what else of they got. Something like 8C CFL, is really all they have to hold them over until they get their process mess straightened out.
 

TheELF

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To offer an expensive Halo part, that brings in more margin rich top end sales, and keeps the mind-share in the Intel camp.
But that's what the 8700k is already,it's up to 40% faster with 33% less cores,it kept mind-share in the intel camp so much that AMD had to sell the 2700x cheaper then what intel sells the 8700k for.
 

TheELF

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I should clarify I'm thinking mostly of high end CPUs where even if you aren't a gamer people are using GPUs for compute or better video codecs and price isn't such an issue.
And that's exactly why intel puts an iGPU into every chip,it just accelerates some software much more then several more cores would.
 

JoeRambo

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Why wouldn't they release 8C CFL? Nehalem 4C was 250 mm^2 and 130w TDP. One can bet a farm Intel will sell ~175mm^2 and maybe 105w TDP halo 8C CFL part for massive profits on 14nm+++
 

PeterScott

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But that's what the 8700k is already,it's up to 40% faster with 33% less cores,it kept mind-share in the intel camp so much that AMD had to sell the 2700x cheaper then what intel sells the 8700k for.
No it isn't. 40% faster would be some very strange narrow case. One I haven't seen.

8700K is faster in a few less threaded applications, and Ryzen is faster in some fully threaded, highly parallel applications.

8C CFL would be a clear cut winner everywhere.
 
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The OEM slips/leaks of 8C CFL, became a lot more convincing to me, after Intel revealed the 10nm won't hit HVM till somewhere in 2019, and that almost certainly won't be for desktop.

So now it's a case of what else of they got. Something like 8C CFL, is really all they have to hold them over until they get their process mess straightened out.
I think an 8 core CFL chip on the 14nm process, if it happens, would be limited to new boards with a higher TDP capability.
I think it needs a higher TDP to be reasonably faster than the 8700K.

Or, it would need to be on an improved process, or 10nm, or something.

I don't think just adding 2 cores to the 8700K will cut it, or even work well.
 

whm1974

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I think an 8 core CFL chip on the 14nm process, if it happens, would be limited to new boards with a higher TDP capability.
I think it needs a higher TDP to be reasonably faster than the 8700K.

Or, it would need to be on an improved process, or 10nm, or something.

I don't think just adding 2 cores to the 8700K will cut it, or even work well.
And Probably wouldn't be competitive with the Ryzen 2700 or 2700X at all.
 

wahdangun

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Why wouldn't they release 8C CFL? Nehalem 4C was 250 mm^2 and 130w TDP. One can bet a farm Intel will sell ~175mm^2 and maybe 105w TDP halo 8C CFL part for massive profits on 14nm+++
That's mean the 8 core part need another chipset again to accommodate higher TDP.
 

PeterScott

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I think an 8 core CFL chip on the 14nm process, if it happens, would be limited to new boards with a higher TDP capability.
I think it needs a higher TDP to be reasonably faster than the 8700K.

Or, it would need to be on an improved process, or 10nm, or something.

I don't think just adding 2 cores to the 8700K will cut it, or even work well.
The Z390 chipset seems to be dropping in the same time-frame. There is your new board with higher TDP.

It should match 8700K on lightly threaded loads, and it should exceed 8700K on heavily threaded loads, and exceed Ryzen 2700x everywhere.
 

mikk

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To offer an expensive Halo part, that brings in more margin rich top end sales, and keeps the mind-share in the Intel camp. 8 core CL gives Intel the best mainstream socket CPU for everything. Why wouldn't they do that?

It is looking more certain that 8 Core Coffee Lake is coming in Q4 2018.
German IT Distributor Publishes AMD+Intel Roadmaps: Z490, Z390, 8-Core CFL in Q4

Which means it will be the top Intel mainstream socket CPU for most of 2019. So it will definitly win Intel late 2018 and early 2019, and it will probably even put up a good fight against 7nm Ryzen, though that may depend on how many cores AMD is bringing to mainstream and how fast 7nm GF clocks.

Also confirms Q4 for CFL 8C which was somehow expected. No idea why some people were dreaming about summer. Same story as last year with the Gamescom CFL 6C rumour, it was a Q4 product with poor availability after all. I wouldn't expect Icelake-S before Q4 2019. And I think there is a risk Icelake-S won't come in 2019, time will tell.

Poor stuff from AMD by the way with the Z490 stealing. Intel shouldn't use 400 series with Icelake, maybe it's time for for a completely new branding, although I'm sure AMD would copy a new branding from Intel as well.
 
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The Z390 chipset seems to be dropping in the same time-frame. There is your new board with higher TDP.

It should match 8700K on lightly threaded loads, and it should exceed 8700K on heavily threaded loads, and exceed Ryzen 2700x everywhere.
Right, it would be limited to new boards, you would not be able to run it in your Z370 board.

Theoretically speaking, of course.

If you have an 8700 or 8700K, are you going to buy a new board to move up to the "9700K", or whatever Intel calls it?

If Intel can get 8 cores into a package that is faster than the 8700K, and that will work within the 95W tdp for Z370 boards, that would be very good, but I don't think any of us are holding our breath for that.

Fortunately I have sat out for a while and kept a 4790K as my fastest system.
 
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I note that the slide says that Z390 is for Cannon Lake, but the 8 core chip is Coffee Lake.
 

mikk

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Not really, it says CNL PCH which is known since ages.
 
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That would lead me to think the 8 core coffee lake chip would work on a Z370 board, and I really doubt that will be the case.

Or, if it is true, then the 8 core chip will not be much to get excited about.

I'm in the odd position of hoping that a new Intel chip needs a new board. :)
 

mikk

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The PCH doesn't matter, the question is if the power delivery already is good enough and compatible for CFL 8C with Z370, I believe it is.
 
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The PCH doesn't matter, the question is if the power delivery already is good enough and compatible for CFL 8C with Z370, I believe it is.
I believe it's good enough for an 8 core chip that is basically the same as the 8700K with 2 cores added, but I don't believe such a chip is good enough to compete. I think it would merely be okay.

Isn't cannon lake going back to having the FIVR?
 

jpiniero

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I believe it's good enough for an 8 core chip that is basically the same as the 8700K with 2 cores added, but I don't believe such a chip is good enough to compete. I think it would merely be okay.
Compete with what? As long as it's the fastest in gaming it'll do just fine. There's not much Intel can do about Ryzen 2 but until we know more it's tough to say how much of a problem it is for Intel.
 

PeterScott

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And Probably wouldn't be competitive with the Ryzen 2700 or 2700X at all.
That makes no sense at all. Intel has better IPC, and clocks higher. If it has the same number of cores/threads(8/16), it will be faster than 2700X at everything.
 

whm1974

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That makes no sense at all. Intel has better IPC, and clocks higher. If it has the same number of cores/threads(8/16), it will be faster than 2700X at everything.
Even so, it will likely be a higher wattage chip then the 2700.
 

wahdangun

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Compete with what? As long as it's the fastest in gaming it'll do just fine. There's not much Intel can do about Ryzen 2 but until we know more it's tough to say how much of a problem it is for Intel.

Yeah, but if the TR2 can turbo+xfr2 to 4,5 ghz. It will dangerously close with it in games performance and with no x299 cpu successor in sight, that platform will be dead.
 
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Compete with what? As long as it's the fastest in gaming it'll do just fine. There's not much Intel can do about Ryzen 2 but until we know more it's tough to say how much of a problem it is for Intel.
2800X

Also, compete for however long it takes Intel to get the 10nm 8 core chips on the market.

(ASSuming the coming 8 core isn't 10nm already) :D

Are you going to buy Intel 14nm 8 core late in 2018, or at that point will you just await 10nm developments?
 

wahdangun

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2800X

Also, compete for however long it takes Intel to get the 10nm 8 core chips on the market.

(ASSuming the coming 8 core isn't 10nm already) :D

Are you going to buy Intel 14nm 8 core late in 2018, or at that point will you just await 10nm developments?

with that late release, personally I'm going to wait for 10nm part, especially with intel like changing socket for each new generation of CPU, you will get burned, just like 7700K owner.
 

jpiniero

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Silicon Lottery's results have kind of convinced me there really isn't room for anything higher. Maybe 4.4 or 4.5 but not all core and would be rare enough to be a Threadripper only deal. Zen 2 is of course TBD but as I said if Zen 2 turns out to be faster in gaming there really isn't anything Intel can do about it until Tigerlake at the minimum.

Given all the problems Intel is having with 10 nm I would have to assume at this point that the desktop part would be 14 nm.
 


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