Guess how much a doctor's visit cost in China

[Arkaign]

Living conditions and quality of life/services in Sweden/Norway/Finland pwn j00 all

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: techs
Most Americans don't realize that most of the civilized world has universal health care, paid maternity leave, more vacation time than the US.

yep, and most americans don't realize that most of the civilized world has worse health care, higher unemployment and lower GDP than the US.

I guess that would depend on how you define "most of the world has worse health care".

source

U.S ranks:

26th Infant mortality rate (behind such social and economic juggernauts Singapore, Hong Kong, Malta, Andorra, Macau, and a host of other countries that have some form of UHC)

37th in life expectancy (total pop)

39th-Tied in life expectancy (males)

37th in life expectancy (females)

95th-tied prevalence of AIDS

30th in people dying of HIV/AIDs

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
I pay 7 euro to go to a doctor

I live in a third world country that goes by the name of Belgium

One more time, price != cost

I pay $10 US to see a doctor. That doesn't mean that a doctor's visit costs $10 US.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Genx87
That sounds great. Now where do I sign up for a totalitarian regime who will gladly trample my human rights whenever possible?

But Ill have 40 cent healthcare right?

Asshole.

The point is "if those jerks can do it, why can't the good ol' USA do it?"

If the rest of the world jumped off a cliff, should the good ol' USA do that, too?

I don't care what the rest of the world is doing. The history of the world proves that the rest of the world sucks. What matters is what works for US, not them.

History proves that the USA sucks just as much as the rest of the world, so get off your high-horse.

There are other countries with health-care systems vastly superior to our own. It's not assimilation or "communist" to do something similar to one or more of them (even if it's only vaguely similar), it's adaptation, it's advancement. It's not evil.

I think he's just saying that if we adopt a universal health care system we shouldn't do it because everyone else is doing it.

My point was that the reason why we should do it isn't because "everyone else is doing it", but rather because it works so much better than our system does.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: freegeeks
I pay 7 euro to go to a doctor

I live in a third world country that goes by the name of Belgium

good thing we're subsidizing your medicines

that's just a myth

I can't help it that you guys like to be anally raped by your private insurance companies

oh really? you think the rate of innovation in drugs, equipment, and procedures would be the same if not for the fact that the inventor gets a monopoly in the US and can get quite a tidy sum in return?

as for insurance companies, they have tended to drive costs down from the ass raping that doctors by themselves would like to charge.

 

[TecHNooB]

Dr. Zoidberg makes more than that!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: techs
Most Americans don't realize that most of the civilized world has universal health care, paid maternity leave, more vacation time than the US.

yep, and most americans don't realize that most of the civilized world has worse health care, higher unemployment and lower GDP than the US.

I guess that would depend on how you define "most of the world has worse health care".

source

U.S ranks:

26th Infant mortality rate (behind such social and economic juggernauts Singapore, Hong Kong, Malta, Andorra, Macau, and a host of other countries that have some form of UHC)

37th in life expectancy (total pop)

39th-Tied in life expectancy (males)

37th in life expectancy (females)

95th-tied prevalence of AIDS

30th in people dying of HIV/AIDs

Singapore is a social and economic juggernaut for its size. And if you want to live in such a corpo-fascist state, where unions are all but outlawed, free speech is allowed only in special zones, and a single party has run the whole show since the 60s, feel free...

The rest of those stats are more representative of America's diversity than our health care system, no matter how much people want to spin it. That's not a slur, it's a medical fact that health expectancy is as much genetic as it is care and maintenance.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Genx87
That sounds great. Now where do I sign up for a totalitarian regime who will gladly trample my human rights whenever possible?

But Ill have 40 cent healthcare right?

Asshole.

The point is "if those jerks can do it, why can't the good ol' USA do it?"

On second thought, Ill be the better person and not return the favor.

Anytime you feel the need to get 40 cent healthcare. Move to China.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: freegeeks
I pay 7 euro to go to a doctor

I live in a third world country that goes by the name of Belgium

good thing we're subsidizing your medicines

that's just a myth

I can't help it that you guys like to be anally raped by your private insurance companies

oh really? you think the rate of innovation in drugs, equipment, and procedures would be the same if not for the fact that the inventor gets a monopoly in the US and can get quite a tidy sum in return?

as for insurance companies, they have tended to drive costs down from the ass raping that doctors by themselves would like to charge.

An interesting tidbit on that note. It has long been claimed that medical malpractice costs have little effect on overall health care costs. However, OHSU -Text - just recently lost a court decision which removed their $200k liability cap that they previously enjoyed. They immediately announced sweeping cuts and layoffs - Text

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: techs
Most Americans don't realize that most of the civilized world has universal health care, paid maternity leave, more vacation time than the US.

yep, and most americans don't realize that most of the civilized world has worse health care, higher unemployment and lower GDP than the US.

I guess that would depend on how you define "most of the world has worse health care".

source

U.S ranks:

26th Infant mortality rate (behind such social and economic juggernauts Singapore, Hong Kong, Malta, Andorra, Macau, and a host of other countries that have some form of UHC)

37th in life expectancy (total pop)

39th-Tied in life expectancy (males)

37th in life expectancy (females)

95th-tied prevalence of AIDS

30th in people dying of HIV/AIDs

a) the 'infant mortality rate' isn't universally defined or applied. just because two things are named the same does not mean they are the same. further, even if it were the same statistic, i'd feel better about using it if it controlled for things like low birth weight due to multiple births after in vitro fertilization. are you going to tell me that giving an infertile couple their own genetic children isn't a miracle of modern medicine?

b) indicting the medical system for things that it can't control isn't exactly reasonable. all of those indicators are poor proxies for the level of care that can be gotten in the US. people in the US tend to be fatter than those elsewhere, is that the medical community's fault? prevalence of AIDS may be due in large part to the fact that the US was the first industrial country that was hit with it, iirc. and using a raw number like 'AIDS deaths' and not controlling for the fact that the US is the 3rd largest country on earth is very fallacious.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Genx87
That sounds great. Now where do I sign up for a totalitarian regime who will gladly trample my human rights whenever possible?

But Ill have 40 cent healthcare right?

Asshole.

The point is "if those jerks can do it, why can't the good ol' USA do it?"

The point being did you really call him an Asshole?
You should read what you posted!!
You sound as if you are ignorant and not very intelligent to say what you said?

 

[5to1baby1in5]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
My wife and daugter are currently in chengdu, China. My daugther had a slight fever and cold (sniffles). My wife took her to the local hosptial (doctor's office in hosptial). Our daughter was born in the United States. She compared the cleanliness and equipment to that of hospital in the US. They have a ticket system there similar to our DMV where each patient takes a ticket and sits down. My daugter saw a Pediatrician (degree and certs hanging on wall). He did the simple things such as checking blood pressure, listening to the heart and chest with stethoscope.

He gave the similar rundown that our pediatrician in the US gave us when our daugter was sick.

Guess how much??? 40 cents, yeah not 40 dollars or 40,000 dollars but 40 cents to see a doctor in China????????????????

The medical system is subsidized by the organ market.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Genx87
That sounds great. Now where do I sign up for a totalitarian regime who will gladly trample my human rights whenever possible?

But Ill have 40 cent healthcare right?

Asshole.

The point is "if those jerks can do it, why can't the good ol' USA do it?"

Do what, work for 40 cents an hour? This has got to be the dumbest thread since the thread about how great cuba is because of their tourist areas. This would be like me making a thread saying how great our economy is because you can work at McDonalds here and make more than a Doctor in China.

So whats stopping your from going through years of medical school and then working for just pennies? I'm sure you'd have no problem finding patients if you just charge 40 cents per visit. Put your money where you mouth is.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Actually my wife is from China. She said a labor worker who makes around $2.00 a day is considered good pay. I find that facinating. I would just go there and buy a whole bunch of building materials and hire a bunch of them and pay them $5.00 a day to build me a mansion bammm...

So... when are you leaving?

Oh if things get bad enough here I don't mind leaving. I know two languages and am a pretty Open Minded person (unlike most Americans) on accepting other cultures. Most Americans (like yourself) have a pretty poor opinion of other counteries.

Generalize much!? How does my disagreeing with you on the healthcare issue, or any other, equate to my having "a pretty poor opinion of other countries"?!?

I certainly have a "pretty poor opinion" of some countries, including China, but not all. China, and a few others, are very deserving of my criticism and destain. Totalitarian regim tend to bother me, yes...

That said, I'd bet a year's salary that I'm more well traveled and cultured than you -- so I've experienced enough of the world to make educated jusgements of the nations who deserve the criticism and destain.

 

[babylon5]

I talk to people I know, most of them I would say don't know much about other countries. They think America is #1, best there is, and that is it for them.

You can see this in Jaywalking interviews...scary.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: babylon5
I talk to people I know, most of them I would say don't know much about other countries. They think America is #1, best there is, and that is it for them.

You can see this in Jaywalking interviews...scary.

What's scary about that?

One of my best friends is an Iranian ex-pat, heavily traveled, has lived nearly half his life in Germany and Japan along with other countries, and he's told me the same thing. He loves America. So do all the other immigrants I know. And yaknow what's funniest? Most of them have done very well in America. Very well.

The USA must be such a terrible country if an Iranian who barely speaks English can come here, start his own business, work hard and make a bunch of money in a few years, and buy a big house up on a hill. That is just wrong! We should be ashamed of ourselves!!

 

[Slew Foot]

A few years ago in China, Anesthesiologists got paid by how many drugs they brought back at the end of the day. What many would do would simply use something like Vecuronium (a paralytic that stops a person from moving and breathing) and nothing else (no amnestics, painkillers, anything). That's bargain basement medicine for ya.

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Genx87
That sounds great. Now where do I sign up for a totalitarian regime who will gladly trample my human rights whenever possible?

But Ill have 40 cent healthcare right?

Asshole.

The point is "if those jerks can do it, why can't the good ol' USA do it?"

lawyers and malpractice insurance

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: babylon5
I talk to people I know, most of them I would say don't know much about other countries. They think America is #1, best there is, and that is it for them.

You can see this in Jaywalking interviews...scary.

What's scary about that?

One of my best friends is an Iranian ex-pat, heavily traveled, has lived nearly half his life in Germany and Japan along with other countries, and he's told me the same thing. He loves America. So do all the other immigrants I know. And yaknow what's funniest? Most of them have done very well in America. Very well.

The USA must be such a terrible country if an Iranian who barely speaks English can come here, start his own business, work hard and make a bunch of money in a few years, and buy a big house up on a hill. That is just wrong! We should be ashamed of ourselves!!

:thumbsup:

 

[babylon5]

Hmm I don't see how my example of Americans don't know much about the rest of the world is scary has anything to do with you listing example of successful immigrant you know. You're comparing Apple and Orange.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The fact that there is so much money to be made in medicine works against the notion that the medical community will ever work to reduce its cut, it seems to me. And the insurance companies aren't going to work to reduce their cut. And the politicians aren't going to work to reduce their campaign contributions.....

True. My mother had three week lapse in her insurance and had to get shots during that period. We went to our usual clinic and asked attending nurse/receptionist how much would they cost. She says she doesn't know and that we would have to make an appointment with a doctor. We asked her if she could find out, she said no, we'd have to make an appointment with doctor before she could even give us a quote. We asked her if she could find it out without making appointment with a doctor, she plainly refused and insisted we would have to schedule appointment with a doctor. WTF? It's just a simple shot, you do not need appointment to ask doctor how much it would cost.

There it is. The reason she didn't know the price is because she didn't care, they would just bill insurance for as much as their contract allows and be done with it. I strongly feel that the reason for high healthcare costs in the US is not frivolous lawsuits, but the fact that there are very few insurance carriers which means there is very little competition and that health insurance is a necessity, you can't live without it, literally, so insurances can jack up the prices as much as they want and doctors can bill as much as they want. It's a self reenforcing cirle.

 

[Exterous]

Originally posted by: babylon5
Hmm I don't see how my example of Americans don't know much about the rest of the world is scary has anything to do with you listing example of successful immigrant you know. You're comparing Apple and Orange.

Because its too hard to refute your amazing cross section analysis of our population

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: babylon5
I talk to people I know, most of them I would say don't know much about other countries. They think America is #1, best there is, and that is it for them.

You can see this in Jaywalking interviews...scary.

I've been all over the world, and I still think America is #1, and the best there is!

Imagine that!

 

[Exterous]

I pulled together a report from the World Health Organization that compares the Us to several other countries listed in the top health care rankings.....and China. Big pause before that last one. Take a look at the data and tell me you would honestly rather be treated in China than the US

Some highlights:
Population with sustainable access to improved sanitation (%) rural
China: 28%
Everyone else on the list: 100%

We have the highest % dentists per pop
We have second highest nurses per pop
Middle for the % doctors per pop

China has the highest infant mortality rate at 23 per 1000

Something else interesting:
Coverage of vital registration of deaths (%)
China: 8%
Everyone else is around 100%

We have the highest internet users per 1000 inhabitants at 551 (not sure why that is in the report, but it is) and highest PCs per 1000 inhabitants at 659

Linky

Takes a minute to load, but lots of interesting data. You can also select different countries to compare using the "Make another selection" link at the top

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: freegeeks
I pay 7 euro to go to a doctor

I live in a third world country that goes by the name of Belgium

One more time, price != cost

I pay $10 US to see a doctor. That doesn't mean that a doctor's visit costs $10 US.

where did I say that this is the real cost?