Guantanamo Bay detainee menstruated on by prostitute

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: irwincur
Americans already are at risk. I think that is the point people are missing. Americans were put at risk the day some Arab nuts decided to fly into the Trade Center. It is impossible to be at more risk than we are right now.

Sure it is. It's not like everyone in the world is willing to torture Americans. This increases the odds that somewhere out there more people will feel they can mistreat Americans. Not only that-- it's just wrong but I guess for you two wrongs make a right.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: irwincur

You think risk is a yes or no switch as opposed to a continum?

No, but I would say that in some areas of the world (namely the f*cked up hellhole called the Middle East) we are at the high risk end of the spectrum. In additon since these f*cktards left their hellhole to kill us, you could also consider home to be a high risk location.

But to be honest... every question, situation, and setting can be broken down into two results. There is middle ground, but that the no mans land where dimwitted morons chose to reside. The middle ground should only be used to define the ends. So yes, if you understand logic (real logic) and rational thought the world really is black and white.

It must be very nice living in your black and white world.

Same world you live in. People like you however desire to see they grey, the false options, while ignoring the fact that unless you make a choice or take a firm stance you are not being effective.

So why are we even bothering to assimilate them into democracy. Why not kill them all. Seems easier. We could easily do it and then their retaliation would not be possible. Seems by trying to change their country we are operating in the middle ground.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: irwincur

You think risk is a yes or no switch as opposed to a continum?

No, but I would say that in some areas of the world (namely the f*cked up hellhole called the Middle East) we are at the high risk end of the spectrum. In additon since these f*cktards left their hellhole to kill us, you could also consider home to be a high risk location.

But to be honest... every question, situation, and setting can be broken down into two results. There is middle ground, but that the no mans land where dimwitted morons chose to reside. The middle ground should only be used to define the ends. So yes, if you understand logic (real logic) and rational thought the world really is black and white.

The problem arrises however when you are trying to decide who is black and who is white. If you use logic(real logic) one see's that everything is actually grey, with people seeing the grey as they choose. I understand that relativism is a horrible way to get things done, but doing nothing sure seems a lot better than rapidly spiraling downwards.
I understand exactly what you mean, but if we continue to go in this direction of I'm right and you are wrong we are going to find that the span of human existance will be cut drasicaly short. I still stand by the fact that we started asking for everything that we have gotten the moment our government decided it wanted it's corrupt money grubbing fingers in every dirty pot it could get them in.

 

[irwincur]

OK, what time is it?

By your logic it is whatever time you want. In real logic there is a correct answer and a false answer. Yes, the viewpoint is based on the perspective of the person posing the question but every instance possible has a black and white outcome.

You guys probably have not done a whole lot of logic work. The whole point of logic and reasoning is to break everything into its primal foundation. Grey area is nothing more than a fabrication for those that cannot wrap their brains around the basis for thought. It is a safe zone where you never have to commit. This is why I argue that being in the grey area (while it does 'exist') is not effective. Perhaps this is why liberal thinkers rarely come to conclusions or propose solutions - because without seeing the black and white of every issue you are preventing yourself from seeing the real outcome.

 

[crooked22]

Originally posted by: irwincur

Exactly, what is so funny about this? Some of you people dont understand culture at all. You CAN compare this Auschwitz. Its all in the interpretation of the torturer and by the other person.

Give me a break.

1.5 million people were shot, gassed, starved, and burnt at Auschwitz. Here we have a few hunderd known terrorists (they were all caught while shooting at us) who are being 'harrased' - even that might be an overstatement. Is it our fault that Muslim men are sexist, told to disrespect women, and told that women are dirty? No. Screw them.

I say feed all of the bastards pork daily. It is still better than dying.



I am sick of emotional punks like you comparing minor transgressions like this to the f*cking holocaust. You are doing history a great disservice. Not only that but you are willing to take the word of a terrorist and his lawyer at face value. You have no clue at to the truth of this story, the background of the individule, or his motives. Grow the f*ck up and enter the real world.'

Whoever fed you the notion that life was all fun and games was seriously deluded. Life is war, it is one group of people vs. another - it has always been this way, and contrary to your retarded liberal beliefs it will always be this way. You can either be the winner, or you can be dead. Sometimes I would prefer it if all the liberals would put up or shut up and go to Canada. That way we could watch you kow tow to the Islamic nuts and still get killed. We could defend ourselves without your idiocy and live to see another day.

In terms of numbers... yeah, nothing so far compares to Auchwitz. In terms of abuse, well, is relative. What hurts me might not necesarily be the same that hurts you. Ive got a high tolerance of pain, but might just be more easily hurt with psychological pain.

You say "It is still better than dying", but these people are willing to go into a battlezone with an AK and a bomb vest strapped on. If they dont kill you with the gun, they run and try to hug you. So definately might not be better to live in shame and unclean, rather than die as a martyr.

I wonder, the Administration says that torture does not produce reliable results, blah blah blah, but our military obviously finds it valuable and uses it. In essence, torture does work is what we are saying.

When is our kids out there getting the treatment, and getting plungers up their rears and menstrated-on bbq ribs for dinners (after all, its better than dying right?) then we will realize is too late to stop it because we started it and lost control.

 

[irwincur]

I wonder, the Administration says that torture does not produce reliable results, blah blah blah, but our military obviously finds it valuable and uses it. In essence, torture does work is what we are saying.

Please define torture, this argument cannot exist without it.

I think you will find that none of these actions even meet the weakest definitions. Let alone, compare to the torture of the Jews. It is a fallacy of thought to link these two totally seperate and completely different events. It is also a shame that someone would so greatly dishonor those that were murdered at Auschwitz by reducing the cost paid by them by so much.

The reasoning behind this and your previous statment is completely false.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: irwincur
OK, what time is it?

By your logic it is whatever time you want. In real logic there is a correct answer and a false answer. Yes, the viewpoint is based on the perspective of the person posing the question but every instance possible has a black and white outcome.

Sure, time is an example of something that has an actual answer. But tell me this, can you tell me the exact position and speed of any atom in your body? You can't. Welcome to the uncertainty principle.

You guys probably have not done a whole lot of logic work.

Why do you feel it neccesary to bury an insult in your response?

The whole point of logic and reasoning is to break everything into its primal foundation. Grey area is nothing more than a fabrication for those that cannot wrap their brains around the basis for thought. It is a safe zone where you never have to commit. This is why I argue that being in the grey area (while it does 'exist') is not effective. Perhaps this is why liberal thinkers rarely come to conclusions or propose solutions - because without seeing the black and white of every issue you are preventing yourself from seeing the real outcome.

You are wrong. The gray area is born out of a willingness to admit that we do not have all the facts neccessary to draw the final complete conclusion. We are, after all, only human and do not have the benefit of devine knowledge.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: irwincur

I wonder, the Administration says that torture does not produce reliable results, blah blah blah, but our military obviously finds it valuable and uses it. In essence, torture does work is what we are saying.

Please define torture, this argument cannot exist without it.

I think you will find that none of these actions even meet the weakest definitions. Let alone, compare to the torture of the Jews. It is a fallacy of thought to link these two totally seperate and completely different events. It is also a shame that someone would so greatly dishonor those that were murdered at Auschwitz by reducing the cost paid by them by so much.

The reasoning behind this and your previous statment is completely false.

Yes, the Auschwits comparison is a big stretch. But putting that aside, do you really approve of what these soldiers did? Even their superiors did not. They were reprimanded.

 

[crooked22]

Please define torture, this argument cannot exist without it.

I use firefox so I can just search directly in Dictionary dot Com (now, dont come and tell me you want the answer from a Websters dictionary because I dont have one around)

TORTURE:
n 1: extreme mental distress [syn: anguish, torment] 2: unbearable physical pain [syn: torment] 3: intense feelings of suffering; acute mental or physical pain; "an agony of doubt"; "the torments of the damned" [syn: agony, torment] 4: the act of distorting something so it seems to mean something it was not intended to mean [syn: distortion, overrefinement, straining, twisting] 5: the act of torturing someone; "it required unnatural torturing to extract a confession" [syn: torturing] v 1: torment emotionally or mentally [syn: torment, excruciate, rack] 2: subject to torture; "The sinners will be tormented in Hell, according to the Bible" [syn: excruciate, torment]

The main different between torture here and Auchwitz is one was for elination of a race, the other to gather intel... but torture is torture.

Oh, and my statement is not false. c2 = a2 + b2.
If the administration/military says torture does not produce reliable results and all that other crap, but at the same time uses, even a limited amount of it, torture to get a result... torture does work no matter how you cover it.

 

[BDawg]

So...can women menstrate on command?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: irwincur

Exactly, what is so funny about this? Some of you people dont understand culture at all. You CAN compare this Auschwitz. Its all in the interpretation of the torturer and by the other person.

Give me a break.

1.5 million people were shot, gassed, starved, and burnt at Auschwitz. Here we have a few hunderd known terrorists (they were all caught while shooting at us) who are being 'harrased' - even that might be an overstatement. Is it our fault that Muslim men are sexist, told to disrespect women, and told that women are dirty? No. Screw them.

I say feed all of the bastards pork daily. It is still better than dying.



I am sick of emotional punks like you comparing minor transgressions like this to the f*cking holocaust. You are doing history a great disservice. Not only that but you are willing to take the word of a terrorist and his lawyer at face value. You have no clue at to the truth of this story, the background of the individule, or his motives. Grow the f*ck up and enter the real world.'

Whoever fed you the notion that life was all fun and games was seriously deluded. Life is war, it is one group of people vs. another - it has always been this way, and contrary to your retarded liberal beliefs it will always be this way. You can either be the winner, or you can be dead. Sometimes I would prefer it if all the liberals would put up or shut up and go to Canada. That way we could watch you kow tow to the Islamic nuts and still get killed. We could defend ourselves without your idiocy and live to see another day.

Yeah you probably wouldn't consider someone pissing on you cruel . Hell you probably would like it.

 

[crooked22]

I don't know if women can menstruate on command (probably squeeze it out a bit, but still). I think they, once started menstruating, keep flowing for a bit... So I wouldnt be surprised if he got smothered and his turned red... pun intended.

 

[irwincur]

Hmm, doesn't really fit the definition. You could really make a stretch, but I am sure that this would not be considered EXTREME by any means. I am sure that the guy has missed prayer before (as you cannot pray while dirty), and I am sure that he was not mentally damaged by it. Actually, I am sure that the guy has broken many different solemn Muslim laws and was not emotionally harmed - you know like murder/attempted murder, etc... In my opinion, that makes him a poor Muslim, and some scholars opinions, that would prevent him from being a Muslim at all (if you believe the religion of peace farce they try to sell). So, in essense this guy has nothing to stand on as he technically should not be praying anyways.

Is it disgusting, yes. Is it a bit overboard, yes. Is it painful, no. Is it extreme, no. Not to mention this has not been confirmered, nor do I really trust this lawyer at all. This is hardly torture, if it is, liberals have degraded out very ability to defend ourselves (information gathering is necessary in this typ f war) and we might as well give into the Muslim onslaught.

 

[Grunt03]

The information being given lacks many things, such as proof. No investigation has been conducted. It is just his word and the lawyer's for now.
I think that they both are doing this as a way to get rich quick.

 

[kage69]

don't know if women can menstruate on command (probably squeeze it out a bit, but still). I think they, once started menstruating, keep flowing for a bit... So I wouldnt be surprised if he got smothered and his turned red... pun intended.

LOL, no, they can't. My first thought was, where did these prostitutes come from? Did we fly in "talent" from home? I was under the impression Gitmo is pretty much sealed off from the rest of Cuba. Kinda weird knowing the government has members of a domestically illegal occupation on the payroll. Then again, back in the 60s the CIA paid the Mung of Cambodia in beer and pussy to fight the VC and act as guides.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: irwincur
Is it disgusting, yes. Is it a bit overboard, yes. Is it painful, no. Is it extreme, no. Not to mention this has not been confirmered, nor do I really trust this lawyer at all. This is hardly torture, if it is, liberals have degraded out very ability to defend ourselves (information gathering is necessary in this typ f war) and we might as well give into the Muslim onslaught.

Yes, menstruating on someone is necessary to defend ourselves. :roll: You are an ethical failure.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: irwincur
Is it disgusting, yes. Is it a bit overboard, yes. Is it painful, no. Is it extreme, no. Not to mention this has not been confirmered, nor do I really trust this lawyer at all. This is hardly torture, if it is, liberals have degraded out very ability to defend ourselves (information gathering is necessary in this typ f war) and we might as well give into the Muslim onslaught.

Yes, menstruating on someone is necessary to defend ourselves. :roll: You are an ethical failure.

On command? Thats amazing!

 

[Heifetz]

naked prostitute having a period
POW
......
profit

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: raildogg
Before you jump to conclusions, this is definately not proven. If it does, then all decent humans will be outraged.

As if the US government will allow anyone anywhere within 50 miles of that camp. The people who are released are citizens of western countries. The other prisoners they'll probably never release, they'll be tortured until they have served their purpose (Either releasing information or training their guards for the next-generation Auschwitz).

Read some of the horrors committed at Auschwitz before you ever mention it again.

I know quite well what was done to people in the concentration camps. And I also know quite well that a lot of 'scientists' doing experiments in the camps suddenly found themselves employed by the US government after the war. A lot of the experiments the US government did on US citizens were derived from the Nazi experiments, and if you think they suddenly stopped doing it after the LSD experiments you are extremely naive.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: irwincur
Here we have a few hunderd known terrorists (they were all caught while shooting at us) .

In order to take you off the "Jackasses who tell lies" list, I'll need some sort of proof to substantiate this claim.