GTX460 vs GTX465

[toyota]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817339009

hec HP585D

I know it was probably an iffy buy, but I picked it up 2+ years ago, and I've never had a problem

I wouldn't trust that cheap psu with a gtx465. it probably only had about 30 true combined amps on the 12v even when new.

 

[quadomatic]

Hmmm, quote from one of the reviews

I have used 6 of these in various budget builds, and all have preformed well. I know they are not supposed to be great for demanding video cards, but i have one running my i7 860 and a GTX 480. I am impressed that it can power that. It does get kinda loud when i game, but i am just waiting for my Corsair 850tx to get here.

Hopefully I don't end up needing a new PSU, but I may just give it a shot with this one.

 

[happy medium]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817339009

hec CompuCase HP585D

I know it was probably an iffy buy, but I picked it up 2+ years ago, and I've never had a problem

Since your total system is rather basic, I would say yes, it will be ok, but overclocking could be dangerous.

 

[quadomatic]

Since your total system is rather basic, I would say yes, it will be ok, but overclocking could be dangerous.

When you say dangerous...you don't mean start a fire dangerous, do you?

 

[toyota]

Hmmm, quote from one of the reviews



Hopefully I don't end up needing a new PSU, but I may just give it a shot with this one.

well lets look at like this. it has two 12v rails with 19 and 20 amps. they don't even list the combined rating which is never just adding the two rails together. best case scenario is that it is "rated" for around 35 amps total when new. factor in cheap parts and that "realistic" number is probably close to 30 amps under real world conditions back when new. also factor in that it is now two years old and there's no way that psu makes even 30 amps on the 12v line. your system with a gtx465 would easily approach 30 amps even with no gpu overclocking.

 

[happy medium]

When you say dangerous...you don't mean start a fire dangerous, do you?

No ,but I do mean replacement system dangerous. :'(

Hmmmmm, I bet you wanna overclock and you probrobly live on the edge like me.................................................
In fact, don't do it. Try and find a deal on a gtx460.

 

[happy medium]

well lets look at like this. it has two 12v rails with 19 and 20 amps. they don't even list the combined rating which is never just adding the two rails together. best case scenario is that it is "rated" for around 35 amps total when new. factor in cheap parts and that "realistic" number is probably close to 30 amps under real world conditions back when new. also factor in that it is now two years old and there's no way that psu makes even 30 amps on the 12v line. your system with a gtx465 would easily approach 30 amps even with no gpu overclocking.

No , no no NO! his system would not pull 360 watts.

In the review they are using a overclocked i7 at 3.75 and a gtx465 and got 339 watts and state that there system pulls more wattage then the usual system.

Advertised GeForce GTX 465 TDP = 200W
System in IDLE = 178W
System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 339W
Difference (GPU load) = 161 W
Add average IDLE wattage ~ 25W
Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 186 Watt

http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-n465gtx-twin-frozr-ii-review/5

 

[taltamir]

465 is POS... avoid it. get a 460, if you need something bigger there is the 470, SLI, and AMD offerings to consider

 

[toyota]

No , no no NO! his system would not pull 360 watts.

In the review they are using a overclocked i7 at 3.75 and a gtx465 and got 339 watts and state that there system pulls more wattage then the usual system.

Advertised GeForce GTX 465 TDP = 200W
System in IDLE = 178W
System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 339W
Difference (GPU load) = 161 W
Add average IDLE wattage ~ 25W
Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 186 Watt

http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-n465gtx-twin-frozr-ii-review/5

don't kid yourself because he will most certainly pull pretty close to 360 watts at times. yes those numbers were for full system but they were ONLY fully stressing the gpu.

the gtx465 even at stock clocks can pull 225 watts all by itself. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx-465_5.html#sect0

 

[happy medium]

don't kid yourself because he will most certainly pull pretty close to 360 watts at times. yes those numbers were for full system but they were ONLY stressing the gpu.

please stop with the nonsense.

"Our test system is based on a power hungry Core i7 965 / X58 based. This setup is overclocked to 3.75 GHz. Next to that we have energy saving functions disabled for this motherboard and processor (to ensure consistent benchmark results). On average we are using roughly 50 to 100 Watts more than a standard PC due to higher CPU clock settings, water-cooling, additional cold cathode lights etc."

You wanna take this outside?
Xbit labs gives you furmark power draws ,,

 

[toyota]

please stop with the nonsense.

"Our test system is based on a power hungry Core i7 965 / X58 based. This setup is overclocked to 3.75 GHz. Next to that we have energy saving functions disabled for this motherboard and processor (to ensure consistent benchmark results). On average we are using roughly 50 to 100 Watts more than a standard PC due to higher CPU clock settings, water-cooling, additional cold cathode lights etc."

You wanna take this outside?

you are the one not thinking here and I edited my post to show you that the gpu alone can pull 225 watts. under full system load he could easily approach 325-350 watts which would basically put the 12v line right near the max.

 

[toyota]

412 watts for a gtx465 during furmark and 349 during Crysis http://www.anandtech.com/show/3810/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-part-2-the-vendor-cards/6


just one run with furmark and his psu would be done for.

 

[happy medium]

412 watts for a gtx465 during furmark and 349 during Crysis http://www.anandtech.com/show/3810/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-part-2-the-vendor-cards/6


just one run with furmark and his psu would be done for.

OP , don't play furmark.

349 watts? what I say 339 watts? ok close enough right? and thats with a i7 @ 3.33.

In any event, in my opinion the op can run a gtx465 in his system with a 585 watt, 30 amp+ psu.

 

[Leyawiin]

Code doesn't work on evga gtx 460s.

I shopped around with several other cards and the only ones it seems to work on are the GTX 465. Shame.

 

[toyota]

OP , don't play furmark.

349 watts? what I say 339 watts? ok close enough right? and thats with a i7 @ 3.33.

In any event, in my opinion the op can run a gtx465 in his system with a 585 watt, 30 amp+ psu.

and all I am saying is that he will be cutting pretty close which is not good. common sense should dictate that if your psu is not sufficient if you cant even stress test your video card with hitting the max available 12v. even just a mild overclock on gtx465 would push his psu to the very limit. it would make more sense to spend 40 more bucks and buy a gts460. he can then at least oc the gtx460 a little bit and have better overall performance in the end anyway.

 

[taltamir]

OP , don't play furmark.

many games max the CPU and GPU simultaneously

 

[happy medium]

and all I am saying is that he will be cutting pretty close which is not good. common sense should dictate that if your psu is not sufficient if you cant even stress test your video card with hitting the max available 12v. even just a mild overclock on gtx465 would push his psu to the very limit. it would make more sense to spend 40 more bucks and buy a gts460. he can then at least oc the gtx460 a little bit and have better overall performance in the end anyway.

And I agree,

I think it will be cutting it close, thats why I told him in so many words no overclocking.
And I meant it when I also told him get agtx460, because I know he wants to overclock. I think you missed that post?
Check post 31 buddy.

 

[taltamir]

you shouldn't cut it close at all... not only do most hardware perform a little below advertised spec, their performance degrades over time. Your PSU's capability will decrease continously, it would be very frustrating to have unexplainable blue screens 6 months after buying the system due to component degradation because he didn't have enough headroom.

 

[happy medium]

mabe when you get the 60$ rebate, you can buy a new psu and overclock your card?
I'm sure you psu will be ok for a few months, just don't overclock.
That way you get a new psu and a good card for the price of the gtx460.
Just a thought.

 

[toyota]

mabe when you get the 60$ rebate, you can buy a new psu and overclock your card?
I'm sure you psu will be ok for a few months, just don't overclock.
That way you get a new psu and a good card for the price of the gtx460.
Just a thought.

well having to buy a psu to run the card defeats the whole point of getting it over the gtx460. might as well get the gtx460 since it will be cheaper in the end and he wont have to wait 3 months for the rebate and risk damaging anything else in the mean time.

 

[happy medium]

well having to buy a psu to run the card defeats the whole point of getting it over the gtx460. might as well get the gtx460 since it will be cheaper in the end and he wont have to wait 3 months for the rebate and risk damaging anything else in the mean time.

good point, I guess its up to him.

 

[quadomatic]

good point, I guess its up to him.

...I think I'll hold out for the GTX 460...probably shouldn't even be spending the money now lol. Since I play games at 1440x900, my 9800GT is fairly capable, even with 4xAA.

I picked up some DDR2, but DDR2 is only getting more difficult to get, so it wasn't so unwise. With faster ram, I'll be able to push my CPU speed another 400 Mhz or so (and I'll have 6GB of ram).

No need to upgrade everything just yet.

 

[toyota]

you made us do all this bickering and in the end you are playing at lowly 1440x900? lol. yeah a 9800gt should still be decent enough for that.

 

[quadomatic]

you made us do all this bickering and in the end you are playing at lowly 1440x900? lol. yeah a 9800gt should still be decent enough for that.

lol, it's all my monitor supports

There are certainly some games that could perform better, but yeah...I figured if I get a new video card, then I'd be able to get a bigger monitor.

 

[Leyawiin]

What you have is actually a good match for your CPU too. Probably don't need anything until a complete overhaul.