GTX 960 is expected to launch next month.

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crisium

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Why would they do that? I get having a 1536 version, as that is the same as 980M, but why would you launch two different cards with the same name? Not that it hasn't been done before (8800GTS 640 vs 512, GTX 260 192 vs 216) but they never came out at the same time. Please tell me they don't do this...
 

psolord

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Maybe the second variant will be called titi and have a suggestive Dawn on the box? :p
 

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If true, 960 TI 1536 = GM204 with 192 bit-bus
960 TI 1280 = full functional GM206
960 = cutdown GM206.

Makes sense from a hierarchy perspective, but naming would be confusing for some and stupid.
 

SteveGrabowski

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If true, 960 TI 1536 = GM204 with 192 bit-bus
960 TI 1280 = full functional GM206
960 = cutdown GM206.

Makes sense from a hierarchy perspective, but naming would be confusing for some and stupid.

Seems like it would make more sense as 960Ti, 960, and 950Ti. Then they could slightly overclock the 750 Ti and call it the 950.
 

jpiniero

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No way nVidia releases a 1536 core chip. That would be far too close to the 970, even if it was only slightly cheaper. I think most of these sites are just putting up fake rumors for page clicks.
 
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That's from DG Lee, a very solid source since he is a tech reviewer from Korea.

NV will need a futher cut GM204 to fill the price gap. $200 to $340 is a big gap. A 960ti GM204 at $249-$269 will wreck havok on AMD's entire lineup, much more than the 970 (although excellent itself) did.
 

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No way nVidia releases a 1536 core chip. That would be far too close to the 970, even if it was only slightly cheaper. I think most of these sites are just putting up fake rumors for page clicks.

What? The 660TI had the same core count as the 670. The difference between the two was the bus width, ROP's, and available memory bandwidth.
 

SteveGrabowski

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That's from DG Lee, a very solid source since he is a tech reviewer from Korea.

NV will need a futher cut GM204 to fill the price gap. $200 to $340 is a big gap. A 960ti GM204 at $249-$269 will wreck havok on AMD's entire lineup, much more than the 970 (although excellent itself) did.

What makes him a solid source? And I can't find anything on his webpage talking about the 960.
 

SPBHM

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if true, hopefully there is an easy way to differentiate between the 2 versions, like memory size or something (like the name, "560 TI 448")
 

DeathReborn

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Two 960 Ti's so I guess one will be just Ti the other Ti Black. Could also be one with 3GB and one with more CC's and 6GB possibly.
 

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Would be good to see a 960Ti with 10% lower performance than GTX970 at $250 point. AMD can put officially the 290 at $250 and 290x at $350 to counter Nvidia move. Then i stay between GTX 960Ti and R9 290 for my next upgrade.
 

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Im not so sure about core count for GM206 but Im 99% that it doesnt have 1536cores.
You have mobile GTX 980M with 1536 cores and 256bit. And you have mobile 970M with 1280 cores and 192bit.

GM206 is 192bit, so forget 1536 cores.
I think GTX 960 will have 1024 cores and 128bit while GTX 960 Ti is 192bit and 1280 cores (Full GM206)

My 10 cents
 
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What makes him a solid source? And I can't find anything on his webpage talking about the 960.

Because his prior early benches for new GPUs were spot on and he's shown access to a wide range of hardware.

NV will need a gap filler for the price, no ifs about it. This isn't new either, they did it with the Fermi, Kepler and now Maxwell.
 

Cloudfire777

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Because his prior early benches for new GPUs were spot on and he's shown access to a wide range of hardware.

NV will need a gap filler for the price, no ifs about it. This isn't new either, they did it with the Fermi, Kepler and now Maxwell.

You and a gazillion people (including WCCFTech) havent looked at his graphs properly.
webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fiyd.kr%2F587&oq=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fiyd.kr%2F587&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.7927j0j4&client=tablet-android-lenovo&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espv=1&ie=UTF-8

There are 3 unknown GPUs there.
The lowest one is GTX 960. He doesnt write any specs for it, but its either 896 or 1024 cores and 128bit.

Second one is GTX 960 Ti and features 1280 cores and 192bit.

Top one is GTX 960 Ti and features 1536 cores and 192bit.

Why are two of them the same? Because he doesnt know the specs but cover 2 scenarios to cover his speculation about the Ti GM206.
You can see his previous calculations here

And trust me, it is the 1280 core option that is the correct one for GM206 ;)

(1536 core GPU exist, its called GTX 980M and its GM204. A desktop GPU with that configuration will eventually pop up, but it will not be GM206)
 
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ShintaiDK

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The korean guy just simulates performance on random specs in hope to hit some right.

Its nothing more than a clickbait site. The owner tried multiple times to promote his own site on these forums.
 

Cloudfire777

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When are the new 20nm gpu based chips rumoured to come out now? Early 2015 or mid 2015?

Try 2016. But under the name 16nm FinFET which is really 20nm.
20nm SOI from TSMC is low power process which is only useful for SOCs (Qualcomm , Altara, Apple etc).
Global Foundries also dropped the ball on 20nm SOI for HP process, which means AMDs wet dream of 20nm GPUs in 2015 is crushed.

Gonna have to wait for those baboons at TSMC to get mass production of 16nm FinFET up. Too bad we are more or less stuck with them. Well, it depends what 14nm process Global Foundries and Samsung is able to compete with. I hope they succeed at taking orders away from TSMC
 
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Both ti cards 192 bit maybe?that means 3gb doesn't it?The 960 suddenly just blows assuming these benches are correct.It is slower then a 770 but faster then then a 760 lol.Well geez that is great.

Looks like anyone serious about longevity is better off with a 4gb 970,i'm buying a card in Feb so if the 960ti seriously is a 192bit 3gb confirmed card there goes that option.

I screwed myself buying a 2gb 770,i won't be doing that again so no 3gb cards for me.:|
 

SteveGrabowski

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Because his prior early benches for new GPUs were spot on and he's shown access to a wide range of hardware.

NV will need a gap filler for the price, no ifs about it. This isn't new either, they did it with the Fermi, Kepler and now Maxwell.

OK, thanks for the answer! :thumbsup:

But still, do we know this isn't a site just using his name to sound legit? Because that link posted earlier is written in some horrible Engrish.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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So if this holds, does anyone think one 960Ti is the Alienware/Cyberpower/etc OEM version and the other 960Ti is the consumer version? If the good 960Ti sells at $249 AMD is screwed, even though the R9 290 is still the better card. I can see why Nvidia would hold that one back to keep from cannibalizing 970 sales, even if they release it at $279. Maybe AMD will get a crazy Never Settle package for 2015 to try to combat the 960 and 960Ti until the R9 300 series releases.