GTX 950 vs GTX 750 Ti

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ganons

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If I were to buy the GTX 950, will it always use the 90 watts or only when gaming?
The PC will see some Dolphin emulation useage and Street Fighter 5 when released next year.

Given the above is it worthy to buy over the 750 Ti?
 

LTC8K6

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If I were to buy the GTX 950, will it always use the 90 watts or only when gaming?
The PC will see some Dolphin emulation useage and Street Fighter 5 when released next year.

Given the above is it worthy to buy over the 750 Ti?

Power ratings are maximum numbers. It will almost never be using 90W, not even when gaming.
 

dark zero

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...and in any country where electricity is either rare or very expensive, that ~100W difference means a lot of money over the course of a year.
In those countries barely nVIDIA sells... only Intel and with luck AMD APU are selling due their power consumption.
 

BSim500

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So 750 Ti and 950 theoritically might be the same in power consumption if they are not being maxed out by a game?
In general all GFX cards will "clock down" when idle or only lightly loaded. Low-end cards will typically be 8-12w idle (vs no dGPU at all), higher cards up to 15-25w idle. When running a game, power depends on game, frame-rate and architectural efficiency of card. Maxwell's will typically draw less than AMD's of the same class, but one mid-range Maxwell (eg, GTX 960) may not draw massively more than a low-end 750Ti when only very lightly loaded (eg, a "light" game with VSync on capped to 60fps) as they will be using intermediate clock states more often. Eg, the "120w" GTX 960 was widely advertised as using barely 30w when playing DOTA style games. Most benchmarks don't show this as they all test with VSync off. I've tested a GTX 960 on a number of older games, and the fans don't even spin up. It's a great HTPC card despite the populist forum hate. Obviously the 950/960 will get more fps vs the 750Ti in more demanding games, and under those conditions they will obviously draw more power, but under lighter loads they will clock down a lot. Eg, when I did some low-end Maxwell power testing on a HTPC (whole system consumption measured at the wall):-

Furmark : VSync Off. R7 260X = 145w / 750Ti = 119w / GTX 960 = 169w

Skyrim : VSync On. R7 260X = 142w (55fps @ 100% GPU usage) / 750Ti = 114w (60fps @ 90-100% GPU usage) / GTX 960 = 119w (60fps @ 45-65% GPU usage).

A 750Ti is around +10-15% faster than an R7 260X and an GTX 960 is 100% faster than an R7 260X and around +80% faster than a 750Ti. If you're running a lot of lighter weight / older games that don't max the GPU out and normally play with VSync on, you'll probably see the same effect. The 950/960 will also draw less power than the 750Ti during HEVC/x265 playback due to a dedicated hardware decoder if that's important to you (you said you had a G3258?). If you're worried about maxing out a low wattage PSU, you can easily limit the power via "Power Target" settings in say MSI Afterburner. The "scale" isn't linear, ie, setting it to 80-85% doesn't mean it'll be clocked 15-20% slower, it may only run 2-4% slower because each frequency step down is matched with an undervolt where the power saving is the square of voltage (vs linear power drops of lowering frequencies alone), and since it's the highest "bins" that draw disproportionately more voltage, fewer frequency drops will be required to meet a certain power target setting during the first 10-20% reduction of lower power target savings (if that makes sense!).

Right now the GTX 950 is a bit overpriced especially due to "launch week premium". I can understand not wanting a upper-mid R9 290 card that pulls +100-150w more in a low powered box to be matched up with a G3258, but I really wouldn't bother worrying about 10w difference between a 950 vs 960 if that's what's holding you up deciding between them. Really you just have to decide what games you will be running, what you're budget is, what other constraints you have or want (lowest power / heat / noise / short card length / 0-1x PCI-E cables, other features (HDMI 2.0 + HDCP 2.2 / hardware HEVC), etc). Despite the "advice" given here by some obsessed over one single card model, there really isn't a single card that's "perfect" for everyone especially if you have other constraints. If you just run simple / older games or don't mind turning down the settings and just want the cheapest sub $100 card, you may as well buy a 750Ti now. But if you really want a GTX 950 card and if it's only $10-$20 less than a GTX 960 in your region, then you may as well buy the GTX 960 now rather than wait for the 950 to fall.
 

ganons

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Right now the GTX 950 is a bit overpriced especially due to "launch week premium". I can understand not wanting a upper-mid R9 290 card that pulls +100-150w more in a low powered box to be matched up with a G3258, but I really wouldn't bother worrying about 10w difference between a 950 vs 960 if that's what's holding you up deciding between them. Really you just have to decide what games you will be running, what you're budget is, what other constraints you have or want (lowest power / heat / noise / short card length / 0-1x PCI-E cables, other features (HDMI 2.0 + HDCP 2.2 / hardware HEVC), etc). Despite the "advice" given here by some obsessed over one single card model, there really isn't a single card that's "perfect" for everyone especially if you have other constraints. If you just run simple / older games or don't mind turning down the settings and just want the cheapest sub $100 card, you may as well buy a 750Ti now. But if you really want a GTX 950 card and if it's only $10-$20 less than a GTX 960 in your region, then you may as well buy the GTX 960 now rather than wait for the 950 to fall.

Thanks for that. This is my current build:
Asus Maximus VI Impact (£46 - Bought from ebay as untested but works)
Pentium G3258
HyperX FURY Series 8GB (2x 4GB) DDR3 1866MHz CL10 DIMM
Be Quiet Pure Power L8-CM 430W PSU

I can get a new 750 Ti for maybe £83 and currently the Gigabyte 950 is £130 in the UK with Amazon. I've got a £10 off voucher and apparently Amazon is giving a code for Phantom Pain with a 950 even though its not mentioned in Nvidias site. Im hoping to sell that to someone for £30, lowest £20 so that could be £90-£100 for the card.

If I can get it for the £90-£100 I think I'll go for it but if not then I guess its better saving £50 and going for the Ti.

Is the 750 Ti mgood enough to handle next gen beatem ups? Im assuming its less demanding than fps games?
Do you think Phantom pain will fair well with the 750 Ti?
 
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BSim500

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I can get a new 750 Ti for maybe £83 and currently the Gigabyte 950 is £130 in the UK with Amazon. I've got a £10 off voucher and apparently Amazon is giving a code for Phantom Pain with a 950 even though its not mentioned in Nvidias site. Im hoping to sell that to someone for £30, lowest £20 so that could be £90-£100 for the card.

If I can get it for the £90-£100 I think I'll go for it but if not then I guess its better saving £50 and going for the Ti.

Is the 750 Ti good enough to handle next gen beatem ups? Im assuming its less demanding than fps games? Do you think Phantom pain will fair well with the 750 Ti?
Honestly I don't know how well that game would run on a 750Ti, and I wouldn't buy a card in advance based on any predictions or based on previous titles. I don't really follow the beat-em-up genre in general, maybe someone else can help you with that? You can always get any game to run faster with a combination of : turning presets down from Ultra to High or Med, using SMAA/FXAA instead of MSAA, or turning off a lot of cr*p many people find annoying anyway (Chromatic Abhorration, etc). Another way of looking at it from a UK perspective:-

£83 GTX 750Ti has 640 shaders (7.7 shaders per £)
£130 GTX 950 has 768 shaders (5.9 shaders per £) or (7.0-7.7 shaders per £ inc free MGS V)
£150 GTX 960 has 1024 shaders (6.8 shaders per £) or (7.9-8.5 shaders per £ inc free MGS V)

Right now the 950 is being sold at a 15-30% launch premium and it really doesn't make any sense to pay +£47 over the 750Ti for a mere +20% shaders when +£67 gains +60% shaders for little extra power draw between them. Based on the "shaders per £" the other two cards have, £100-£115 seems a more reasonable "middle ground" price for the 950. Out of the three, personally I'd get the GTX 960 (if you're playing modern AAA games or if you plan to buy that game anyway) and the 750Ti only if you're playing older stuff. The £67 difference would shrink to £37-£47 including free game, and that's definitely worth it for a +80% boost in performance (+60% shaders & higher clock rates, higher clocked RAM, color compression, +100-150MHz more OC headroom), plus all the other Maxwell 2 advantages (0rpm fans under idle / light gaming, HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2, HEVC decode, DSR, MFAA, 3x DisplayPorts, etc). The bottom line depends on what else you plan to run.
 

DustinBrowder

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...and in any country where electricity is either rare or very expensive, that ~100W difference means a lot of money over the course of a year.

LOL! Only if you use your PC 24/7 and mostly for games. Even then, you could replace 4 of your light bulbs from 100W to 70W and save about $2 through the year that the 100W more GPU would have cost you.

Lets not fool ourselves here, if your primary concern is gaming performance you don't care about power consumption, if not then why are you comparing a stupid low end useless turd like the 950 to a card 100% faster?

Perf for watt would be in the 290 favor. And again if you are looking into power levels, you need to look at an equivalent card in performance which would be the GTX 970 for Nvidia. The difference there is about 20W.

Again AMD R5 250 uses less than 100W, so 50W less than the 950!
 

Blue_Max

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LOL! Only if you use your PC 24/7 and mostly for games. Even then, you could replace 4 of your light bulbs from 100W to 70W and save about $2 through the year that the 100W more GPU would have cost you.

Lets not fool ourselves here, if your primary concern is gaming performance you don't care about power consumption, if not then why are you comparing a stupid low end useless turd like the 950 to a card 100% faster?

Perf for watt would be in the 290 favor. And again if you are looking into power levels, you need to look at an equivalent card in performance which would be the GTX 970 for Nvidia. The difference there is about 20W.

Again AMD R5 250 uses less than 100W, so 50W less than the 950!

Yeah, you make a point, but I *am* thinking of very heavy use here. Nearly 24/7 -- and I was thinking more the 290 vs. 970 example you mention because of the ~+100w difference. The 750TI vs 950 is, what, 25W? :) No big deal there. My apologies for being unclear on that. :$
 

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Even then, you could replace 4 of your light bulbs from 100W to 70W and save about $2 through the year that the 100W more GPU would have cost you.


Who in the heck still uses incandescent 100W bulbs? If I turned every single light on in my house I think it would total ~150W. I use CFL (compact florescent) like just about everyone else I know who hasn't upgraded to LED lights yet.
 

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Even if you're stuck in the green camp (eg CUDA or something of the sort) the 950 currently priced is still a poor proposition. 3/4 the shader power for very nearly full price of a 960. It would have to drop below $150 for aftermarket cards to be even worth looking at since you can find (if you look hard enough) even aftermarket 960s below $170.
 

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Overall, considering speed and features together, yes, I think AMD really has no competitor for the 950/960, with a nod to Tonga for gaming.

Would have liked to see lesser and greater Tonga variants last year.

LOL

What a joke. "AMD's competitor doesn't count as a competitor because I'm going to artificially narrow the definition"

No dude. The 380 is a direct competitor to the 960, period. No definition trickery changes that. Its the same price bracket, same performance bracket, same perf/watt which is apparently super important unless we're talking about the 380.

You might still pick the 960 on features. That's ok. That just means you think it wins the competition. But saying the 380 isnt competition is ludicrous.
 
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Have a quick question for you guys. If I were to grab a 960 instead, is it safe to use a 6 pin to 8 pin adapter? I've got an Antec True Power Trio 430W which only has one 6 pin pci express cable. Is it generally considered safe to use a 6 to 8 pin adapter off of that? I've read some conflicting info.
 

Blue_Max

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Even if you're stuck in the green camp (eg CUDA or something of the sort) the 950 currently priced is still a poor proposition. 3/4 the shader power for very nearly full price of a 960. It would have to drop below $150 for aftermarket cards to be even worth looking at since you can find (if you look hard enough) even aftermarket 960s below $170.

Here in Canada it's even worse. Best price I've found for the new 950 is $220C and best price for the 960 is $245

That's a pathetic $25 difference AND you lose the free game.

Booooooooooo.... :'(
 

Blue_Max

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Have a quick question for you guys. If I were to grab a 960 instead, is it safe to use a 6 pin to 8 pin adapter? I've got an Antec True Power Trio 430W which only has one 6 pin pci express cable. Is it generally considered safe to use a 6 to 8 pin adapter off of that? I've read some conflicting info.

I vote yes. The 960 just doesn't use that much juice if you don't overclock it to the moon. You should be fine. Some cards even come with 6-pin from the get-go.
 

SimianR

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Here in Canada it's even worse. Best price I've found for the new 950 is $220C and best price for the 960 is $245

That's a pathetic $25 difference AND you lose the free game.

Booooooooooo.... :'(

Keep in mind Newegg.ca has the MSI 950 Armor for $210 - and memoryexpress has it for $225 - you can pricebeat the memory express one down to $208 :p Yeah, not much but it's something.
 

Blue_Max

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Keep in mind Newegg.ca has the MSI 950 Armor for $210 - and memoryexpress has it for $225 - you can pricebeat the memory express one down to $208 :p Yeah, not much but it's something.

Nice find. I love M.E.'s price policy - even at 10% instead of the old 25%! :D

You found a tasty deal to work with... but the 960 is still the one to aim for. The ~$30C difference covers the cost of the free game, let alone ~25% performance increase.
 

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Have a quick question for you guys. If I were to grab a 960 instead, is it safe to use a 6 pin to 8 pin adapter? I've got an Antec True Power Trio 430W which only has one 6 pin pci express cable. Is it generally considered safe to use a 6 to 8 pin adapter off of that? I've read some conflicting info.

Yes. As long as you don't OC like a banshee it won't pull more than a single 6-pin will use.

Normal out of the box 960s pull significantly less than 150W total (the 6-pin is 75W, the other 75W comes from the PCI bus). The MSI in my sig has an 8-pin but I use the 6->8 converter and it works just fine with my Dell's 460W PSU.
 

LTC8K6

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LOL

What a joke. "AMD's competitor doesn't count as a competitor because I'm going to artificially narrow the definition"

No dude. The 380 is a direct competitor to the 960, period. No definition trickery changes that. Its the same price bracket, same performance bracket, same perf/watt which is apparently super important unless we're talking about the 380.

You might still pick the 960 on features. That's ok. That just means you think it wins the competition. But saying the 380 isnt competition is ludicrous.

Actually, I'd probably go with Tonga. That's why I gave it a nod.
I've been wanting a Tonga card ever since the Anandtech review of the 285.
 

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LOL

What a joke. "AMD's competitor doesn't count as a competitor because I'm going to artificially narrow the definition"

No dude. The 380 is a direct competitor to the 960, period. No definition trickery changes that. Its the same price bracket, same performance bracket, same perf/watt which is apparently super important unless we're talking about the 380.

You might still pick the 960 on features. That's ok. That just means you think it wins the competition. But saying the 380 isnt competition is ludicrous.

I guess you can say AMD is Nvidia's competitor but theres really no competition with AMD being at under 20% market share.:\ If you have the money you buy the best....Nvidia. Same goes for cpu's , if you have the money you buy the best, Intel.
 

Zodiark1593

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Have a quick question for you guys. If I were to grab a 960 instead, is it safe to use a 6 pin to 8 pin adapter? I've got an Antec True Power Trio 430W which only has one 6 pin pci express cable. Is it generally considered safe to use a 6 to 8 pin adapter off of that? I've read some conflicting info.

Yes, it will work flawlessley off a single six-pin from the psu even if the card otherwise requires an 8 pin. That's how I run my SSC 960 (through a mistake in picking my psu). If on boot the screen says attatch supplementary power, attach your pci connector to the other input on the adaptor and it should boot.

Even after an hour of gaming, the 960 still maintains it's maximum ~1440 MHz boost clock.
 

Headfoot

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I guess you can say AMD is Nvidia's competitor but theres really no competition with AMD being at under 20% market share.:\ If you have the money you buy the best....Nvidia. Same goes for cpu's , if you have the money you buy the best, Intel.

lol