GTX 770 vs HD 7970 Ghz (R9 280X) Ideal memory bandwidth

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Carfax83

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The GTX 770 and R9 280X are very similar in performance. We'll have to see if that extra 1GB of memory in the 280X makes a difference in the long run.

If you're comparing base models that's probably true, but if you get one of the OC editions with a higher boost clock speed, then the GTX 770 will start to pull away from the 280x.

The Gigabyte GTX 770 OC (and the MSI Lightning ) has an average core speed of 1241 for instance, and that's without any manual overclocking whatsoever.

Yes, a 280x can be overclocked as well, but it won't have the sort of headroom that a GTX 770 will have; at least judging by the reviews.
 

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If you're comparing base models that's probably true, but if you get one of the OC editions with a higher boost clock speed, then the GTX 770 will start to pull away from the 280x.

The Gigabyte GTX 770 OC (and the MSI Lightning ) has an average core speed of 1241 for instance, and that's without any manual overclocking whatsoever.

Yes, a 280x can be overclocked as well, but it won't have the sort of headroom that a GTX 770 will have; at least judging by the reviews.

According to Anandtech's review, a manually oced 770 Lightning@1293Mhz is ~9% faster than a reference 770@1136Mhz across the six games they tested (1440p). The average oc for a 770 is 1231Mhz so their example did quit well.

On the other hand a 280X Toxic@1150Mhz is ~13% faster than a ref 280X@1000Mhz across 5 games (1440p). The average overclock for a 7970 is 1207Mhz.

So it looks like the gains to be had with the 280X oc models is greater than that of the 770 oc models. Looks like it generally has more headroom too.
 

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According to Anandtech's review, a manually oced 770 Lightning@1293Mhz is ~9% faster than a reference 770@1136Mhz across the six games they tested (1440p). The average oc for a 770 is 1231Mhz so their example did quit well.

But the Lightning wasn't the fastest. The EVGA card was faster because it hit higher memory clocks. That's a peculiarity of the GTX 770, in that memory clocks can result in bigger gains.

I noticed that myself when I overclocked my cards. Crysis 3 felt smoother to me when I overclocked my memory, and left my core speed at stock (1241), than when I overclocked my core speed and left my memory at stock. Of course it's better to overclock both.

Anyway, the EVGA card's overclocked performance over the reference model was double digit percentage in every game except Crysis 3, with a max of up to 14.8%..

If you get a golden sample like what Hardwarecanucks got, you can even match or exceed a GTX 780:

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So it looks like the gains to be had with the 280X oc models is greater than that of the 770 oc models. Looks like it generally has more headroom too.

As I said above, the EVGA model had a greater increase in performance due to higher memory overclocks. At any rate, even if that were true, the overall performance would still be lower.. An overclocked 280x isn't going to match an overclocked GTX 770 generally speaking, unless the particular game favors GCN architecture to a great extent.

Honestly, I'm surprised at the lower overclocks on the 280x. The 7900 cards seemed to be much better overclockers.
 

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You gave me the links for the price of the MSI R9 280X Gaming Edition, which will cost U$ 380, while the GTX 770 Gaming Edition costs around U$ 399 since day one. If you make the math, it is 20 dollars difference. Just look for your own post.

Someone said here that the difference is U$ 140 dollars, not me. And the 7970 is not the same as 7970GE. In price too.

Enough of fanboyism. They will reach the shelves at the same bracket, give or take, and I wanted Nvidia. If anyone has anything to say about the memory bus, fine, if not, I am not replying anymore; I have other things to do.

Where are you located? If there is any fanboyism it's in not looking at price/performance and only going for a certain brand. I'm also not sure if you didn't read that "$ != € pricing" or if you are just trolling at this point, but here's the price of the MSI gaming 280x in $.

MSI R9 280X
GAMING
$310
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/R9_280X_Gaming/

The 770 Lightning is $440 at newegg. That is a $130 difference not $20. If you are located in the EU there is a difference too, but that can be verified. So the price debate is a fact you can't twist. If you are in another country let's do a comparison. If you insist on the 770 that's fine, but you are paying a high premium for that choice.

If you're comparing base models that's probably true, but if you get one of the OC editions with a higher boost clock speed, then the GTX 770 will start to pull away from the 280x.

The Gigabyte GTX 770 OC (and the MSI Lightning ) has an average core speed of 1241 for instance, and that's without any manual overclocking whatsoever.

Yes, a 280x can be overclocked as well, but it won't have the sort of headroom that a GTX 770 will have; at least judging by the reviews.

The 280x is a 7970 (/GHz) with a new label as is the 770 a 680. The 770/680 doesn't OC more than the 7970. See HWBot which has a lot more info than your claim does. It doesn't make the 770 worth the price (absurd 33% premium for a few percent gain, if any) at this point.

Seriously? Comparing a higher priced 770 OC edition is comparable to a higher OC edition 280x, but don't forget to count the price difference.

According to Anandtech's review, a manually oced 770 Lightning@1293Mhz is ~9% faster than a reference 770@1136Mhz across the six games they tested (1440p). The average oc for a 770 is 1231Mhz so their example did quit well.

On the other hand a 280X Toxic@1150Mhz is ~13% faster than a ref 280X@1000Mhz across 5 games (1440p). The average overclock for a 7970 is 1207Mhz.

So it looks like the gains to be had with the 280X oc models is greater than that of the 770 oc models. Looks like it generally has more headroom too.
1231 core isn't enough to catch a 7970/280x at 1200. NV needs a 100-200Mhz core lead to catch up to AMD's faster core at the same clock speed.
 
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But the Lightning wasn't the fastest. The EVGA card was faster because it hit higher memory clocks. That's a peculiarity of the GTX 770, in that memory clocks can result in bigger gains.

I noticed that myself when I overclocked my cards. Crysis 3 felt smoother to me when I overclocked my memory, and left my core speed at stock (1241), than when I overclocked my core speed and left my memory at stock. Of course it's better to overclock both.

Anyway, the EVGA card's overclocked performance over the reference model was double digit percentage in every game except Crysis 3, with a max of up to 14.8%..

Even for the EVGA, the average increase was only 12% over a stock 770 and that was for an above average overclock. That still doesn't match the performance gained from a below average overclock on a 280X vs reference.



As I said above, the EVGA model had a greater increase in performance due to higher memory overclocks. At any rate, even if that were true, the overall performance would still be lower.. An overclocked 280x isn't going to match an overclocked GTX 770 generally speaking, unless the particular game favors GCN architecture to a great extent.

Why would you say that?

TPU - 280X is 3% slower at 1080p and 1% faster at 1600p

Hardwareheaven - "Clocked at 1060/1600 (like this ASUS version) the 280X is pretty much identical in framerates to the GTX 770 OC cards"

Techreport - 280X (non-ref) had higher average FPS than 770.

Hardware Canucks - 280X is 1% slower than 770

Computerbase - 280X is 1% slower at 1080p and 5% faster at 1600p.

Hexus - "280X is... the perf-equivalent GeForce GTX 770 from Nvidia."

So if the cards are equivalent at stock and the 280X/7970 gains more performance from overclocking, I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that 770 OC > 280X OC.
 

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The 280x is a 7970 (/GHz) with a new label as is the 770 a 680. The 770/680 doesn't OC more than the 7970. See HWBot which has a lot more info than your claim does. It doesn't make the 770 worth the price (absurd 33% premium for a few percent gain, if any) at this point.

Your statement sinks your own argument, because HWBOT is showing the average overclock for the 7970 at 1207, while the GTX 770 has an average of 1231.

At any rate, the 280x seems to be a worse overclocker than the 7970. I checked Anandtech, Hardwarecanucks, PCper, and Guru3D and none of them were able to hit over 1200..

Seriously? Comparing a higher priced 770 OC edition is comparable to a higher OC edition 280x, but don't forget to count the price difference.

The highest OC edition of the 280x that I've seen is the Sapphire Toxic, which has a base clock speed of 1100 and a boost clock of 1150, which is considerably less than a good GTX 770 OC version, which can boost all the way to 1241 without overclocking.

1231 core isn't enough to catch a 7970/280x at 1200. NV needs a 100-200Mhz core lead to catch up to AMD's faster core at the same clock speed.

What are you basing this on? In this HardOCP review, an overclocked MSI Lightning GTX 770 at 1241 (and it was a poor overclock at that) easily competes with a higher clocked 7970 Ghz at 1275..
 

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Your statement sinks your own argument, because HWBOT is showing the average overclock for the 7970 at 1207, while the GTX 770 has an average of 1231.

At any rate, the 280x seems to be a worse overclocker than the 7970. I checked Anandtech, Hardwarecanucks, PCper, and Guru3D and none of them were able to hit over 1200..

1250/1650

1215/1550

1200/1600
 

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Your statement sinks your own argument, because HWBOT is showing the average overclock for the 7970 at 1207, while the GTX 770 has an average of 1231.

At any rate, the 280x seems to be a worse overclocker than the 7970. I checked Anandtech, Hardwarecanucks, PCper, and Guru3D and none of them were able to hit over 1200..



The highest OC edition of the 280x that I've seen is the Sapphire Toxic, which has a base clock speed of 1100 and a boost clock of 1150, which is considerably less than a good GTX 770 OC version, which can boost all the way to 1241 without overclocking.



What are you basing this on? In this HardOCP review, an overclocked MSI Lightning GTX 770 at 1241 (and it was a poor overclock at that) easily competes with a higher clocked 7970 Ghz at 1275..

Perhaps it was poorly worded, the 770/680 doesn't overclock enough to beat the 7970/280x is what I was trying to say. (A slightly higher core 770 is necessary to match the faster 7970 core)

In here the 770 lightning max oc (with a whopping 7.8GHz memory oc) vs 7970 G max oc was matched but it's too small of a sample. 280x ~== 7970G ~== 770
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/06/06/msi_n770_lightning_overclocking_review/3

Looking at that they are actually very close, I guess the massive ram OC is evening the odds a little.

Ok, I now view them as pretty much equals. The higher ram on the 770 has closed the gap somewhat (the 680 couldn't catch a 1200+ core 7970 iirc). It's close enough to call it luck of the silicon lottery, however more benchmarks would be nice across more than just 5 games. The difference is the insane $100-150 premium and you get 1GB less memory which might become a bottleneck which we will see soon.

Perhaps we are going off topic for this particular thread though and should make a new one if you want to continue debating 770 vs 280x.

Until NV drops the 770 price it's still an insane premium because the 770 stock/OC can't even outdo the 280x. It's pretty close, way to close to have a price difference between them.
 
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Your statement sinks your own argument, because HWBOT is showing the average overclock for the 7970 at 1207, while the GTX 770 has an average of 1231.

GTX770 is the same thing as the 680, only has higher clocks. It takes a 680 with 1280-1290mhz GPU boost to match an HD7970 @ 1150mhz. Even at 1150mhz, R9 280X will easily keep up with a 770 @ 1293mhz.

AT has the benchmarks to prove it:

R9 280X overclocked

MSI Lightning 770 overclocked

Metro LL
R9 280X oc = 49.3
msi 770 oc = 48.7
Win = R9 280X

Total War Rome 2
R9 280x oc = 38
770 stock = 31.9 ***
*** There is no overclocked score but it's obvious the 770 cannot beat R9 280X as there is a 19% deficit
Win = R9 280X

Hitman Absolution

It takes a max overclocked 770 to beat a stock 7970GE by 0.8 fps. So we know for sure R9 280X oc will beat 770 oc in this game too.
Win = R9 280X

Company of Heroes 2
This one is not even close.
Win = R9 280X

BF3
R9 280x = 54.1
770 = 61.8
Win = 770

Bioshock Infinite

R9 280X oc = 54.6
770 = 58.1
Win = 770

Crysis 3
There is no score for R9 280X overclocked but it's safe to say in AT's benches the 770 oc would win.
Win = 770

You get the picture though. 770 oc cannot beat R9 280x oc / 7970 ge oc, yet costs $90-140 more. :thumbsdown:

EVGA GTX770 4GB = $440
Gigabyte Windforce 3x R9 280X with 1100mhz/6000 clocks = $300


$140 more for a card that isn't faster. What's worse is that R9 290 will make 770 4GB look ridiculous. I bet it won't cost more than $100 more than a 4GB 770. In a matter of weeks, GTX770 4GB's resale value will drop like a rock and it will go down in history as one of the most overpriced cards ever released unless NV drops $100 off its price asap.

Even if one only buys NV cards, the Asus DCUII GTX670 2GB for $265 makes a $399 GTX770 2GB look like a joke! You could almost buy 2x Asus GTX670s for what it costs for a single EVGA Classified 770 card. :sneaky:

Then next year, the gamer can just sell those 670s and buy a new 20nm GPU. GTX770 pricing has been laughable since the day it launched and current prices on after-market 670s/7970GE/R9 280X make it look even worse. Even SLI cannot justify its price because 3x GTX760s would smoke 2x 770s.
 
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If you're comparing base models that's probably true, but if you get one of the OC editions with a higher boost clock speed, then the GTX 770 will start to pull away from the 280x.

Respectfully, i'd have to kind of disagree with you here. I know you like NV (I do too) and there is nothing wrong with that, but that may affect objectivity somewhat. Here's my experience having used both NV and AMD extensively - First, you can't really compare different architectures on a clockspeed basis. Additionally, at stock settings the 770 and 280X start at roughly the same speed with some architecture specific games showing an advantage one way or another (blizzard favoring NV, and Square-Enix favoring AMD, for example) yet overall, we can agree that the stock settings for the 280X and GTX 770 result in roughly the same performance or within 1% or so. (Hardwarecanucks tested a "stock" 280X which was overall 1% slower excluding overclocks). So let's say they're even at stock speeds. I disagree with you in terms of overclocking - i've seen numerous reviews showing both the GTX 770 and the 280X scaling 10-12% from overclocking, and let's not get into clockspeed semantics because that doesn't really matter. Again, different architectures, different clockspeeds, not an apples to apples comparison. What is important is the performance gained with any overclock, and if you look at overclocking at guru 3d you'll find that their Gigabyte and Asus model 280X cards are gaining roughly 10-12% performance from overclocking. This is not dissimilar to the GTX 770, which also gains a similar amount from overclocking.

I think the GTX 770 is a great card. But performance wise, it really is a wash. I'm actually surprised to see this argument head into clockspeed and overclock territory, because the websites that truly push high overclocks (guru3d and HardOCP) have shown excellent scaling on both cards with overclocking. Easily 10-12%, maybe more if you're lucky. Therefore since both cards are similar performance wise at stock, it is safe to say that they're both similar once both are overclocked.

I just disagree with you in the strongest terms with your suggestion that the GTX 770 scales or performs better when overclocked. The 280X overclocks well too. The stock is 1000mhz and I know the original 7970CF cards I owned previously did 1100+mhz no sweat. I expect the same of the 280X, and indeed this is the case if you look at all of the aftermarket 280X cards being reviewed.

That isn't to say the GTX 770 is bad. It's an awesome card. I do feel it's a little too expensive, since the 280X is the same in terms of performance. Like I said you can nitpick results with games that favor either AMD or NV's architecture, but overall averaged out they are the same speed. The price gap between the two is too large, however.
 
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Oh yea, you forgot this one 1282/1762

and this one - 1230/1900

Looks like AT got a crap Toxic card..

Hey Carfax, you should do a valley run? http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2317696
For a decent comparison. Your cards should do pretty well with those memory overclocks, as valley responds well to both core and memory.

Your Sherlock skills are better than mine. :D

The Toxic looks to be a great overclocker for the most part.

I think the GTX 770 is a great card. But performance wise, it really is a wash.

Exactly. No one is saying the 770 is slow. Far from it. It just offers no performance advantage over the 280X to justify its huge markup.
 

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Even for the EVGA, the average increase was only 12% over a stock 770 and that was for an above average overclock. That still doesn't match the performance gained from a below average overclock on a 280X vs reference.

OK, I'm confused. What are the reference clocks for the 280x? I typed out a response and then after looking at some other reviews, I'm finding that the base clock for the 280x is 950 with a boost of 1ghz, whilst the Anandtech review says the base clock is 850...

So what is it? If you're using the Anandtech review as a reference, the gains from overclocking would be higher because the base clock is lower for the reference model than in other reviews.

Looking at the EVGA GTX 770 though, the scaling is pretty good when you factor in clock speeds. The overclocked EVGA card was clocked 12.6% higher than the reference model, and had an average performance increase of 12%.

TPU - 280X is 3% slower at 1080p and 1% faster at 1600p

Hardwareheaven - "Clocked at 1060/1600 (like this ASUS version) the 280X is pretty much identical in framerates to the GTX 770 OC cards"

Techreport - 280X (non-ref) had higher average FPS than 770.

Hardware Canucks - 280X is 1% slower than 770

Computerbase - 280X is 1% slower at 1080p and 5% faster at 1600p.

Hexus - "280X is... the perf-equivalent GeForce GTX 770 from Nvidia."

All of these reviews used reference GTX 770 models, except Hardwareheaven, and they are a well known pro AMD website.. Used to be called Driverheaven back in the day, and they even admitted their bias... Anyway, my point was that a good overclock for a GTX 770 will result in higher performance than a good overclock for the 280x.

For example, look at this:

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The GTX 770 in this review was overclocked to 1383, which is huge. It gained 18% in performance over the reference model, for a rise in clock speed of 21.7%.. Enough to overtake the GTX 780.

So if the cards are equivalent at stock and the 280X/7970 gains more performance from overclocking, I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that 770 OC > 280X OC.

Until I find out what the base clock speed is for the reference model, then I can't really give you a proper response. I thought it was 850, but the other websites show it as 950..
 

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Until NV drops the 770 price it's still an insane premium because the 770 stock/OC can't even outdo the 280x. It's pretty close, way to close to have a price difference between them.

It's not just about performance though, it's about feature set.

You may scoff at those things, but they count and increase the value of NVidia cards in the minds of consumers.

For all the harping on NVidia that you and the others do when it comes to price/performance, have you ever asked yourself how it is that NVidia is able to consistently command higher market prices than AMD?

I'm not arguing against a price reduction for the GTX 770, because it definitely needs one. I'm speaking generally here..
 

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RS, at least you could have used the EVGA model as it benched higher than the MSI Lightning :p

Even if one only buys NV cards, the Asus DCUII GTX670 2GB for $265 makes a $399 GTX770 2GB look like a joke! You could almost buy 2x Asus GTX670s for what it costs for a single EVGA Classified 770 card. :sneaky:

The Classified cards are way overpriced, you'll get no argument from me for saying that. But the 670 isn't on the same level as the 770, much like the 770 isn't on the same level as the 780.


Then next year, the gamer can just sell those 670s and buy a new 20nm GPU. GTX770 pricing has been laughable since the day it launched and current prices on after-market 670s/7970GE/R9 280X make it look even worse. Even SLI cannot justify its price because 3x GTX760s would smoke 2x 770s.

And yet people keep paying the price for them. One really has to wonder why if they're such a rip off as you suggest..
 

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Respectfully, i'd have to kind of disagree with you here. I know you like NV (I do too) and there is nothing wrong with that, but that may affect objectivity somewhat. Here's my experience having used both NV and AMD extensively - First, you can't really compare different architectures on a clockspeed basis. Additionally, at stock settings the 770 and 280X start at roughly the same speed with some architecture specific games showing an advantage one way or another (blizzard favoring NV, and Square-Enix favoring AMD, for example) yet overall, we can agree that the stock settings for the 280X and GTX 770 result in roughly the same performance or within 1% or so. (Hardwarecanucks tested a "stock" 280X which was overall 1% slower excluding overclocks). So let's say they're even at stock speeds. I disagree with you in terms of overclocking - i've seen numerous reviews showing both the GTX 770 and the 280X scaling 10-12% from overclocking, and let's not get into clockspeed semantics because that doesn't really matter. Again, different architectures, different clockspeeds, not an apples to apples comparison. What is important is the performance gained with any overclock, and if you look at overclocking at guru 3d you'll find that their Gigabyte and Asus model 280X cards are gaining roughly 10-12% performance from overclocking. This is not dissimilar to the GTX 770, which also gains a similar amount from overclocking.

I think the GTX 770 is a great card. But performance wise, it really is a wash. I'm actually surprised to see this argument head into clockspeed and overclock territory, because the websites that truly push high overclocks (guru3d and HardOCP) have shown excellent scaling on both cards with overclocking. Easily 10-12%, maybe more if you're lucky. Therefore since both cards are similar performance wise at stock, it is safe to say that they're both similar once both are overclocked.

I just disagree with you in the strongest terms with your suggestion that the GTX 770 scales or performs better when overclocked. The 280X overclocks well too. The stock is 1000mhz and I know the original 7970CF cards I owned previously did 1100+mhz no sweat. I expect the same of the 280X, and indeed this is the case if you look at all of the aftermarket 280X cards being reviewed.

That isn't to say the GTX 770 is bad. It's an awesome card. I do feel it's a little too expensive, since the 280X is the same in terms of performance. Like I said you can nitpick results with games that favor either AMD or NV's architecture, but overall averaged out they are the same speed. The price gap between the two is too large, however.

I agree with everything you said in this post.....except when you said it's a little too expensive. I'm not arguing against a price cut for the GTX 770, but I think it's interesting to see how NVidia is able to get such a high price for the card.

First off, the higher prices of the GTX 770 and 780 on release were made possible because AMD never had an answer. The 7970ghz was AMD's single GPU flagship model, and that was thoroughly trounced by NVidia's new flagship model, the 780, which had no direct competition.

The 7970ghz was about even with the GTX 770 in performance give or take a few, but it COST MORE than the GTX 770 at that time.....and it had an inferior feature set and arguably broken multi GPU capability.

Months later, I just checked the 770 prices, and I was surprised to see them STILL holding at 400 to 450 dollars! And this is after AMD has made drastic across the board cuts on their 7900 series..

So you really have to wonder how NVidia is able to get away with this. Is it because we hardware enthusiasts are too stupid to know when we're getting ripped off?

No, the truth is, it has never only been about price performance. Feature set matters a great deal as well. And NVidia has nailed AMD's ass to the wall on that for years..

Only now has AMD begun to catch up in that respect, but they still have a ways to go.
 

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Until I find out what the base clock speed is for the reference model, then I can't really give you a proper response. I thought it was 850, but the other websites show it as 950..

Honestly the base clock is unimportant for this discussion since neither card spends any time there. The average boost clock is what we need to worry about and since most of the reviews don't list the average boost clock the 2nd best option is max boost clock.

In the Anandtech review, the reference 280X boosted to 1000Mhz and the reference 770 boosted to 1136Mhz. The stock Sapphire Toxic boosted to 1150Mhz and the manually overclocked EVGA 770 boosted to 1280Mhz.

So the Radeon gained 13% more performance from a 15% oc on the core and 7% oc on the memory.

The EVGA 770 gained 12% more performance from a 12.7% oc on the core and a 17% oc on the memory.

Since the EVGA 770 overclocked higher than most other 770s will achieve and the 280X was overclocked lower than most 280X can achieve (valid assumption since the chip is the same as the 7970), one can conclude that 280X OC would have no problem keeping up with a 770 OC.
 

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GTX770 is the same thing as the 680, only has higher clocks. It takes a 680 with 1280-1290mhz GPU boost to match an HD7970 @ 1150mhz. Even at 1150mhz, R9 280X will easily keep up with a 770 @ 1293mhz.

AT has the benchmarks to prove it:

R9 280X overclocked

MSI Lightning 770 overclocked

$140 more for a card that isn't faster. What's worse is that R9 290 will make 770 4GB look ridiculous. I bet it won't cost more than $100 more than a 4GB 770. In a matter of weeks, GTX770 4GB's resale value will drop like a rock and it will go down in history as one of the most overpriced cards ever released unless NV drops $100 off its price asap.

anybody who argues that GTX 770 OC is faster than HD 7970 OC is in denial. as you said and as benchmarks show HD 7970 aka R9 280X can keep up with a 100 - 150 mhz higher clocked GTX 770. once you get a Tahiti chip to 1250 - 1300 mhz its the faster chip across the board wrt GK104 aka GTX 770.

R9 290 is going to toy around with a GTX 770 4GB. its going to pound it silly into the ground. since R9 290 is a perfect doubling of HD 7870 it will be at 1.9x perf of HD 7870. faster than GTX 780. we saw how HD 7870 was 1.9x the perf of HD 7770. AMD has doubled every aspect sp, TMU, geometry engines, raster engines, ROPs, mem bus width / bandwidth. R9 290 is going to be a phenomenal deal at USD 450 - 500.
 
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Carfax83

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you mean like Mantle. yeah right. :D AMD is going to bully Nvidia ths holiday season in the biggest PC title - BF4 with Mantle

I guess we'll have to see. But Mantle does constitute a feature no doubt.

anybody who argues that GTX 770 OC is faster than HD 7970 OC is in denial. as you said and as benchmarks show HD 7970 aka R9 280X can keep up with a 100 - 150 mhz higher clocked GTX 770. once you get a Tahiti chip to 1250 - 1300 mhz its the faster chip across the board wrt GK104 aka GTX 770.

As blackened23 said, cross architectural comparisons with clock speed are futile and meaningless. The most direct comparison that I've ever seen, the HardOCP review which pitted a MSI GTX 770 Lightning card against a HD 7970 overclocked to 1275, showed the GTX 770 keeping up just fine, and was actually faster in Crysis 3 despite being clocked lower than the HD 7970.

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And that Lightning was an overclocking dud, because 1241 is it's regular boost clock speed.

R9 290 is going to toy around with a GTX 770 4GB. its going to pound it silly into the ground. since R9 290 is a perfect doubling of HD 7870 it will be at 1.9x perf of HD 7870. faster than GTX 780. we saw how HD 7870 was 1.9x the perf of HD 7770. AMD has doubled every aspect sp, TMU, geometry engines, raster engines, ROPs, mem bus width / bandwidth. R9 290 is going to be a phenomenal deal at USD 450 - 500.

Competition is great isn't it? :thumbsup: I want AMD to do well because a strong AMD pushes NVidia to do even better.
 

Carfax83

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Honestly the base clock is unimportant for this discussion since neither card spends any time there. The average boost clock is what we need to worry about and since most of the reviews don't list the average boost clock the 2nd best option is max boost clock.

See I didn't know how much time AMD cards spend at boost clocks, since I don't have one.

In the Anandtech review, the reference 280X boosted to 1000Mhz and the reference 770 boosted to 1136Mhz. The stock Sapphire Toxic boosted to 1150Mhz and the manually overclocked EVGA 770 boosted to 1280Mhz.

The Sapphire Toxic's higher clock speed still cannot overcome the reference GTX 770 in Bioshock Infinite, Crysis 3 and Battlefield 3.

It puts up a good show in the games that run very well on GCN architecture though.

Since the EVGA 770 overclocked higher than most other 770s will achieve and the 280X was overclocked lower than most 280X can achieve (valid assumption since the chip is the same as the 7970), one can conclude that 280X OC would have no problem keeping up with a 770 OC.

OK fair enough.. Some games favor GCN, and some favor Kepler so I guess we can just leave it at that..
 

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Enough of fanboyism. They will reach the shelves at the same bracket, give or take, and I wanted Nvidia. If anyone has anything to say about the memory bus, fine, if not, I am not replying anymore; I have other things to do.

Seems you were only here to validate your purchasing decision but decided to throw a tantrum when you were advised that it was a bad buy...
 
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After reading this far into the thread, my perception is that these cards really are on par with each other, give or take a little based on the game and the over-clock or GPU-boost.

Do any of you believe, or have you read anywhere, that there will be price cuts from Nvidia between now and Christmas 2013?