GTX 770 a Marketing rip off ?

[DaveSimmons]

The 770 is what like $100 cheaper than the 680 and is about 10% faster. That sounds like a good deal to me...

That's only because you don't hate nvidia enough yet.

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Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Radeon shall free me.


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[3DVagabond]

The 770 is what like $100 cheaper than the 680 and is about 10% faster. That sounds like a good deal to me...

Unless you know where we can get 770's for $310, the difference in reality is far less than $100. TheThe Windforce 3 is selling on Newegg for $410 and is clocked higher than a reference 770.

There's nothing wrong with the 770, but it's not a "good deal".

 

[DaveSimmons]

Unless you know where we can get 770's for $310, the difference in reality is far less than $100. TheThe Windforce 3 is selling on Newegg for $410 and is clocked higher than a reference 770.

There's nothing wrong with the 770, but it's not a "good deal".

🙄 the 680 price is $410 now because of the introduction of the 770. It should be obvious that the $100 reference is to the value of the new part with the new price, that now also has lowered the price of the remaining 680 stock.

 

[3DVagabond]

🙄 the 680 price is $410 now because of the introduction of the 770. It should be obvious that the $100 reference is to the value of the new part with the new price, that now also has lowered the price of the remaining 680 stock.

There were 680's for $410 before the 770 released. The Zotac that's $410 now was $410 prior to the 770 release.

Edit: Actually, thinking about it, the Zotac was $420.

 

[DaveSimmons]

There were 680's for $410 before the 770 released. The Zotac that's $410 now was $410 prior to the 770 release.

How long before? Vendors do know about the products they'll be stocking before we do....

 

[3DVagabond]

How long before? Vendors do know about the products they'll be stocking before we do....

LOL. Listen, there were 680's available for far less than $500 well before the release of the 770. The 770 hasn't increased performance for $100 less in the real market place.

 

[zod96]

Quote "That's only because you don't hate nvidia enough yet." LOL that is a good one, yeah that maybe the case 🙂

 

[toyota]

LOL. Listen, there were 680's available for far less than $500 well before the release of the 770. The 770 hasn't increased performance for $100 less in the real market place.

no not really as a few days before the 770 launched some started dropping their prices. before that it was pretty much the same prices for months. sure there might have been deals here and there but that will happen.

 

[DaveSimmons]

LOL. Listen, there were 680's available for far less than $500 well before the release of the 770. The 770 hasn't increased performance for $100 less in the real market place.

A CamelEgg search is showing prices were $460 - 470 last month for the ones that are $410 - 420 now, so it looks like we're both wrong.

The 770 was "only" a $60-70 real world price drop with a slight spec increase. Those bastards!

 

[3DVagabond]

A CamelEgg search is showing prices were $460 - 470 last month for the ones that are $410 - 420 now, so it looks like we're both wrong.

The 770 was "only" a $60-70 real world price drop with a slight spec increase. Those bastards!

I never called them bastards at all. I only said that the 770 didn't offer a $100 pricepoint decrease over the 680 because the 680 was available for well less than $500 before the 770 dropped. And not just immediately before. It's been available for less than it's release MSRP for quite some time.

I'm not in marketing, so I don't have hard numbers, nor am I trying to argue hard numbers. Just that "better performance for $100 less" isn't accurate.

 

[A5]

Here's a graph of the Zotac from PartPicker:

That card was $450 before the 770 rumors were around. So it's $50 less for a faster card. I'm OK with that.

 

[Irishwhitey]

Here's a graph of the Zotac from PartPicker:



That card was $450 before the 770 rumors were around. So it's $50 less for a faster card. I'm OK with that.

The point is that this is the pricing that should have been present to combat the 7970Ghz. Where nvidia went wrong is that the failed to offer more performance for the dollar once again. The 770 is how the GTX 680 should have been months ago. This is not more value it is sleaze ball marketing.

 

[lagokc]

Evidently Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft all agree with me in that value for money is more important than maxing out profit for nvidia.

Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft can't segment their product stacks. Their customers would throw a fit if there's a low, mid, and high-end version of the Playstation 4 and games behave differently on each version or require the high end version to run at all. So they pick one performance target that optimizes profit based on volume of sales.

AMD and nVidia CAN segment their product stacks. Have $125-150 to spend? Get a 650Ti Boost which will run anything just fine. Feel like spending more to turn AA higher so you don't have so many jagged lines? Get a more expensive card.

Crying about how nVidia is greedy because you have to pay more than you'd like to make your games prettier doesn't buy you much sympathy.

 

[Irishwhitey]

Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft can't segment their product stacks. .

Actually they went with the company that offers more flexibility and value for money .

 

[3DVagabond]

The point is that this is the pricing that should have been present to combat the 7970Ghz. Where nvidia went wrong is that the failed to offer more performance for the dollar once again. The 770 is how the GTX 680 should have been months ago. This is not more value it is sleaze ball marketing.

The 770 is a bit better than the 680. I never did feel that the 680 competed construction quality wise with the 7970. The 770 is well improved on this front. The reference cooler (too bad it's not likely to see them stocked anywhere), the Samsung RAM, the 6+8 power are all worthwhile improvements. Not a lot of improvement for a year later, and not enough to warrant the 700 naming, IMO, but still better than just a simple price cut as some would infer it is.

 

[SirPauly]

It's not a rip off based on it improves price/performance as a whole and may be disruptive enough to warrant price drops on older sku's -- cheaper GTX 670's -- potentially cheaper HD 7970's and HD 7970ghz edition sku's.

Gamers potentially receive more value from both companies -- as they combat each other.

 

[3DVagabond]

It's not a rip off based on it improves price/performance as a whole and may be disruptive enough to warrant price drops on older sku's -- cheaper GTX 670's -- potentially cheaper HD 7970's and HD 7970ghz edition sku's.

Gamers potentially receive more value from both companies -- as they combat each other.

The naming it as a 700 series card is where the marketing BS comes in though. I'm sure if AMD had updated the cooler and used Samsung RAM on the 7970GHz and called it an 8970 we'd be having the same thread. Just with complete role reversal by most of the participants. 😉

 

[Irishwhitey]

The 770 is a bit better than the 680. I never did feel that the 680 competed construction quality wise with the 7970. The 770 is well improved on this front. The reference cooler (too bad it's not likely to see them stocked anywhere), the Samsung RAM, the 6+8 power are all worthwhile improvements. Not a lot of improvement for a year later, and not enough to warrant the 700 naming, IMO, but still better than just a simple price cut as some would infer it is.

This is the card that should have been brought out to replace and combat the HD 7970 GHZ a year ago.

 

[Irishwhitey]

The naming it as a 700 series card is where the marketing BS comes in though. I'm sure if AMD had updated the cooler and used Samsung RAM on the 7970GHz and called it an 8970 we'd be having the same thread. Just with complete role reversal by most of the participants. 😉

I do my share of hating on Radeon HD as well. But see the thing is it's so hard to do because on the value for money and game bundles.

 

[SirPauly]

It's their 770 refresh for the GTX 670 -- offering a modest performance advantage than a GTX 680.

Very similar to the 570 refresh of the GTX 470 -- offering a modest performance advantage than a GTX 480.

 

[3DVagabond]

This is the card that should have been brought out to replace and combat the HD 7970 GHZ a year ago.

There was no reason to. The 680 as it was sold just fine. Now we have Halswell and an opportunity to cash in on new system builds with what will be perceived as a new model card more so than a 680 or 7970.

 

[Irishwhitey]

It's their 770 refresh for the GTX 670 -- offering a modest performance advantage than a GTX 680.

Very similar to the 570 refresh of the GTX 470 -- offering a modest performance advantage than a GTX 480.

770 is a re badge of 680 and 570/80 was re badged 480.

 

[SirPauly]

You're welcome to your vocal view but what I see is improved price/performance, which is welcomed.

 

[SolMiester]

I agree about AMD optimized titles. It will be much, much easier to bring GCN optimized code over to PC in the future, Nvidia will have to put tons of work (and $$$) into their drivers to come even close. Smart business move from AMD, Nvidia thinks too much about their short term financials 😛

LMAO.....hehe...this thread delivers!....some great AMD fanboy BS....

 

[Irishwhitey]

You're welcome to your vocal view but what I see is improved price/performance, which is welcomed.

It's only a very small margin. The point is that it's to little of improvement to late in the game.