Gtx 680, bad performance?

[ViRGE]

Doesn't the "clean install" option added a bit ago in Nvidia drivers do the same thing? Or does that leave behind some things?

Clean Install just deletes any user-created game setting profiles. It doesn't actually do anything different with the driver install itself.

 

[toyota]

Clean Install just deletes any user-created game setting profiles. It doesn't actually do anything different with the driver install itself.

that is what I used to think too but that is actually not true. clean install does delete old drivers.


If you have experienced install problems in the past, we offer "Perform clean install" which will remove all previous NVIDIA drivers and NVIDIA registry entries from your computer. This may resolve installer issues caused by conflicting older drivers.


http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2900

 

[chimaxi83]

Clean install will still leave files, folders, and registry entries behind though.

 

[Larrelarre]

So battlefield 3 and crysis 2 all works perfectly.

But only thouse 2?
Why?

Doesnt this eliminate the posibility of bottlenecks or faulty gpu?

 

[aaksheytalwar]

So battlefield 3 and crysis 2 all works perfectly.

But only thouse 2?
Why?

Doesnt this eliminate the posibility of bottlenecks or faulty gpu?

Unlikely because the 460 didn't face bottleneck. Unless he changed the settings. But the above two are the games with built in AA. Perhaps he has got some AA setting wrong.

 

[guskline]

Larrelarre: Are you using Fraps to measure the FPS? I have a licensed version (up to 3.5) and it does a very nice job. If you were going from a 580 GTX to a 680 I could see the anamoly but not a 460 GTX. Like the other posters, I think it has to do with the different settings. Some games automatically adjust when a new video card is installed and set different parameters. Though tedious, did you write down EVERY graphics parameter for Borderelands and compare each one to assure they were exactly the same for the 460 GTX vs the 680 GTX ?

 

[ViRGE]

that is what I used to think too but that is actually not true. clean install does delete old drivers.


If you have experienced install problems in the past, we offer "Perform clean install" which will remove all previous NVIDIA drivers and NVIDIA registry entries from your computer. This may resolve installer issues caused by conflicting older drivers.


http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2900

Not to drag this too far off topic, but that hasn't been my experience. Running Clean Install still keeps the older drivers. e.g. If you Clean Install 301.14, older drivers will still be in the Windows driver archive if you go through the Device Manager.

 

[Larrelarre]

Larrelarre: Are you using Fraps to measure the FPS? I have a licensed version (up to 3.5) and it does a very nice job. If you were going from a 580 GTX to a 680 I could see the anamoly but not a 460 GTX. Like the other posters, I think it has to do with the different settings. Some games automatically adjust when a new video card is installed and set different parameters. Though tedious, did you write down EVERY graphics parameter for Borderelands and compare each one to assure they were exactly the same for the 460 GTX vs the 680 GTX ?

Even if this would be true, i think a gtx680 would do better than 50-60 fps in Borderlands, dont you think so too?


And there are like 10 different settings in borderlands, you can have them either max or on. And i have them all max or on. With the 460 and the 680.

 

[Larrelarre]

Here is me playing red faction armageddon.

No particular action going on on the screen or anything.

1920x1080 , 120hz, No AA, shadows medium, no motion blur, ambient occlusion low.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1874/rfarmageddonfpsproblem.jpg

This cant be right either.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

The settings in the Nvidia Control Panel (AA etc) may be to blame, not in game settings.

Are you using the exact same settings as you were using with the GTX 460?

Because a stock 950 with just 6GB RAM can't give perfect game play anyway.

A 950 less than 4-4.2GHz is going to be a big bottleneck and some games do need at least 8GB for perfect smoothness, especially if several services are running in the background.

What settings were you using earlier?


Have you tried a clean install???

Also, with DX9 games your performance may be similar/slower than a stock 580 at times, but still mostly above 60 FPS. In Dx11 you will be a lot better than stock 580 though.

 

[Larrelarre]

The settings in the Nvidia Control Panel (AA etc) may be to blame, not in game settings.

Are you using the exact same settings as you were using with the GTX 460?

Because a stock 950 with just 6GB RAM can't give perfect game play anyway.

A 950 less than 4-4.2GHz is going to be a big bottleneck and some games do need at least 8GB for perfect smoothness, especially if several services are running in the background.

What settings were you using earlier?

I have 8gb ram, forgot to update that.

I use the default settings in the control center.
Same as i did with my 460.



My girlfriends computer wich i posted, her results were worse than her 580 in fallout new vegas and borderlands, but not battlefield 3 when using my 680.

Is her 3,4ghz 2600 i7 also bottlenecking?

So much talk about bottlenecking here and bottlenecking there.



How can my i7 950 bottleneck my 600 dollar graphics card to the point where its outperformed by my old 460? I will never buy that, ever.

 

[blackened23]

Fresh install windows 7.

 

[Rvenger]

Check to see where your card is turbo boosting in precision. Sounds like you have a bad binned chip that snuck out into production. There was a guy on OCN where he got a bad card and it was only boosting to 700mhz. Remember these are capped to a 225w tdp and if you have an extremely high leakage chip, its like running a car motor with a broken vaccum line.

Download EVGA precision and monitor your turbo boosts while gaming. BF3 can run good on a GTX460 so I am not completely convinced this is all software related. Also BF3 is a very CPU dependant game.

 

[KompuKare]

Fresh install windows 7.

+1. A fresh install pretty much rules out any software issues. Remember you don't have to wipe everything: just partition your drive and install a fresh 2nd copy.

If you don't want to re-install, the min you should do is to get your hands on monitoring tools to monitor background processes / bad drivers (ProcessExplorer, DPC Latency Checker, Latency Monitor) and resource monitors (Taskman and MSI Afterburner for the GPU should do). Run those and once you are sure there are no background process causing it, then we can join you in speculation what else might be the cause...

 

[BenchPress]

The GTX 680 sucks badly. It even loses against a quad-core CPU at OpenCL:

Any chance those games you're having problems with use PhysX? The GTX 680 isn't suitable for general-purpose computing like physics.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

How can my i7 950 bottleneck my 600 dollar graphics card to the point where its outperformed by my old 460? I will never buy that, ever.

Exactly my point since the beginning as well, this isn't called a bottleneck, agreed.

But I do support the fresh install theory.

And do check if it is boosting beyond 700 Mhz, cause that may be the case of a bad card.

Temps? Usage?

 

[Larrelarre]

Ok i used MSI Afterburner and checked some numbers.

I used this room in Red faction armageddon.
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1874/rfarmageddonfpsproblem.jpg

Fps was the same, very low.



Anyway.

The numbers i got was

Power % : 45 - 65
Temp 65
GPU Usage: 65-88 %
Fan speed: 38
Core Clock: 1006
Shader clock: 2012
Memory clock: 3005
Memory usage: 1060

 

[Upgrade_Itch]

460 isn't a monster tho. 680 = 3 460s. Op.. overclock to 4.2 and retest

If hes getting less fps in games (other then BF3) with a 680 then he got with a 460 overclocking his cpu isn't solving the problem.

He should def be getting more fps with a 680 period. Something is wrong.

680 is fast in Phys X enabled games + games optimized for Nvidia....at least it should be.

 

[Larrelarre]

Tested some more MSI Afterburner


This time i tested red faction armageddon with dx9, in the same room.
At some point the fps was at 30.

Altho the core clock was a bit different.
With dx11 it was steady at 1006 at all times, but with dx9 it was bouncing between 1006 and 825 for a while, then it was steady in the end at 941.

 

[Upgrade_Itch]

Sounds like fluctuating voltage on the 680....

I'm going to guess its your 12 volt rail on that Coolermaster PSU.....the ONLY psu that I fried in my 18 yrs of pc use/ building is a Coolermaster back in 2002 or 2003. Thing lasted less then a week, but I was overclocking.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

Could be the PSU, though unlikely, but you did try with another PC, right? Did even that have problems? Probably a defective card in that case.

 

[Larrelarre]

Could be the PSU, though unlikely, but you did try with another PC, right? Did even that have problems? Probably a defective card in that case.

yes i did try it in another PC.

The problem was still there but it was not nearly as bad as in my PC.

For me in borderlands with my PC the card did worse than my old 460.
In the second PC the card did just slightly worse than a 580.

 

[Upgrade_Itch]

Did the core speed fluctuate in your gf's pc? If not its that Coolermaster psu.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

It wasn't nearly as bad because the CPU was nearly 25-30% faster. Prolly a bad card. Rma But do try a fresh install before that

 

[Larrelarre]

It wasn't nearly as bad because the CPU was nearly 25-30% faster. Prolly a bad card. Rma But do try a fresh install before that

I guess the card is bad, but if its bad why does it perform so well in BF3 and Crysis 2?