GTX 660Ti Reviews

[Silverforce11]

$250 would land it right in the sweet spot. Great 1080p performance. Doesn't matter if it loses with high AA or higher res, $250 is a true mid-range, where gamers aren't so demanding on their IQ.

So its NOT a bad card, just badly priced.

Also, there's NO excuse for the 7870 to be anywhere >$250 currently. If 660ti is at $250, the 7870 has to pricedrop to $230 and the 7850 has to go for $199.

Now thats a lineup offering great bang for buck from both sides.

 

[lopri]

Toyota has a point. Straight from the horse's mouth:

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-660ti/performance

*Note that the comparison is made against 470, not 570, in the first table.

GPU gaming performance leaps have not been the same as a few years ago, because in part the AMD/NV are interested in expanding GPU's usage beyond what it used to be, and in part the declining quality of PC games. (We've all seen poor console ports cost a lot of PC with unjustifiable level of graphics)

Having said that, there are tangible merits that I appreciate from both AMD/NV's offerings this time. You can consider this generation's crops (GCN and Kepler/GK104) as feature upgrades. AMD is now serious catching up to NV in GPU-Compute and it shows. NV has finally been able to improve its memory performance and performance/watt.

Using HD 7950 and GTX 670 I get a somewhat similar feeling that I used to have, notwithstanding relative performance and prices, when I had HD 6870 and GTX 580. But this time with role reversal. The 7950 feels more like the 580 and the 670 feels more like the 6870.

I do think the introductory pricing of these cards have been absurd. HD 7950 for $550 and HD 7870 for $350 were an instant turn-off. And I would not pay $500+ for a GTX 680 nor $300 for a GTX 660. (BTW, 680-to-660ti is kind of reminiscent of 9800 GT-to-9600 GT, isn't it?)

Personally, the cost of my upgrades were somewhat mitigated by selling the 580 for $350, and settling on 7950 and 670 instead of 7970 and 680. If one's looking to upgrade mostly for 3D gaming performance, I can definitely understand the dissatisfaction on available choices.

 

[ocre]

$250 would land it right in the sweet spot. Great 1080p performance. Doesn't matter if it loses with high AA or higher res, $250 is a true mid-range, where gamers aren't so demanding on their IQ.

So its NOT a bad card, just badly priced.

Also, there's NO excuse for the 7870 to be anywhere >$250 currently. If 660ti is at $250, the 7870 has to pricedrop to $230 and the 7850 has to go for $199.

Now thats a lineup offering great bang for buck from both sides.

Great post. And your about the only one so far that can see clear.

yea you post is spot on. it is my whole point.

Everyone is acting like the 660ti should be 250 and this would completely make every other card out just not worth buying. A 660ti at 250 would make every card on 28nm overpriced and a terrible value.

I presented clear data which shows the 660ti at 300$ has a great price/performance ratio and its completely ignored.

Look at this current market. You cannot say the 660ti is overpriced unless you look at the entire line up. The 660ti should be 250 but the 78XX is fairly priced???? very odd.......

 

[RussianSensation]

Look at this current market. You cannot say the 660ti is overpriced unless you look at the entire line up. The 660ti should be 250 but the 78XX is fairly priced???? very odd.......

I don't disagree that 660Ti would be sweet at $250, I agree that 7870 is overpriced. HD7850 on the other hand can be found for as low as $207 w/ free shipping.

GTX660Ti looks to be 34% faster than a 7850 but costs 50% more once you account for shipping costs on the 660Ti. 660Ti could be looked at as a $250 card if you take into account BL2 though. 7850 also overclocks from 850mhz to 1200mhz (that's 40%), something 660Ti can't dream of. That puts the 7850 OC into an even better price/performance bracket than any videocard this generation.

So:

- 7850 offers better price/performance @ stock and better price/performance @ overclocked for ~$90-100 less
- 7950 offers worse price/performance @ 800mhz but better price/performance at 1.1-1.2ghz overclocks vs. an overclocked 660Ti.

The 660Ti isn't that hot compared to either of those options. Comparing to a 7870, the 660Ti is reasonably priced, although there are deals for $250 7870 quite often as well.

 

[lopri]

Great post. And your about the only one so far that can see clear.

yea you post is spot on. it is my whole point.

Everyone is acting like the 660ti should be 250 and this would completely make every other card out just not worth buying. A 660ti at 250 would make every card on 28nm overpriced and a terrible value.

I presented clear data which shows the 660ti at 300$ has a great price/performance ratio and its completely ignored.

Look at this current market. You cannot say the 660ti is overpriced unless you look at the entire line up. The 660ti should be 250 but the 78XX is fairly priced???? very odd.......

I don't think many people look fondly upon 7870's pricing (especially its $350 introductory MSRP). In the same token, many weren't happy with $550 HD 7970, despite it outperforming $500 GTX 580.

Those who are looking to upgrade look for an upgrade, not a side-grade (performance-wise).

 

[zaydq]

Oh I forgot, its only nVidia that can do wrong. Everything AMD does is the best for all of us. My mistake.D:

No, AMD isn't much better. But you tend to jump up in a fuss when anyone says anything about Nvidia. If Nvidia's review guide is trying to make this card look better than it is then they have every right to get shit on. Same with AMD, but i can't recall an amd example that sticks out like a soar thumb compared to the 660ti reviews.

 

[Crap Daddy]

There are no good guys and bad guys here. It's just pure and simple business. I'm pretty sure than Nvidia knows better than all of us which is the price this card can be sold for what they consider good revenue and profit. With this particular card NV has bundled a hot AAA game which is a hint that it might be priced lower rather sooner than later. AMD knows its business and drastically cut prices to remain competitive. There is no doubt that NV will do the same if necessary.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Great post. And your about the only one so far that can see clear.

yea you post is spot on. it is my whole point.

Everyone is acting like the 660ti should be 250 and this would completely make every other card out just not worth buying. A 660ti at 250 would make every card on 28nm overpriced and a terrible value.

I presented clear data which shows the 660ti at 300$ has a great price/performance ratio and its completely ignored.

Look at this current market. You cannot say the 660ti is overpriced unless you look at the entire line up. The 660ti should be 250 but the 78XX is fairly priced???? very odd.......

So when everyone said it's a bad deal at $300 and said exactly the same thing you think nobody thought of we're bias or something? We've said this for 13 pages and yet you pick out one post just now and agree with everything I, RussianSensation, toyota, lopri and others have said numerous times. "It is a bad card for $300 and gets bested by cards that cost a measly $30 more"

At $300 I expect to be able to use AA on my card. So yes it matters at that point.

 

[Ajay]

Isn't the 660Ti still good for F@H? Seems to do well against the 570. Can't see how a 580 would be much faster?

Thanks for that, last time I checked Kepler was still sub-optimal. Know I'll want to see how a GTX 680 fairs. Now look at what you've done

 

[f1sherman]

So basically we all agree that $250 would be a fair price for 660 Ti

Few facts though...

660 Ti is 80% of GTX680 performance for 60% of it's price.
It carries the same $299 MSRP as 7870, which is $50 lower than 7950, and it gets you NV ecosystem + Borderlands 2.
(91.3% and 101.5% of 660 Ti 1920x1080 performance according to grand aggregate over at 3DCenter)


So... if someone could successfully communicate to AMD that they need to stop making their cards look bad on purpose,
release those easily achieved 1200MHz overclocks without beating the Termie at it's own game, and get rid of bad-drivers stigma,
I am sure 660 Ti will have $250 MSRP in no time.

 

[Silverforce11]

Wow, this 660ti is suddenly becoming a legend, now its 80% of a gtx680!!

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

So basically we all agree that $250 would be a fair price for 660 Ti

Few facts though...

660 Ti is 80% of GTX680 performance for 60% of it's price.
It carries the same $299 MSRP as 7870, which is $50 lower than 7950, and it gets you NV ecosystem + Borderlands 2.
(91.3% and 101.5% of 660 Ti 1920x1080 performance according to grand aggregate over at 3DCenter)


So... if someone could successfully communicate to AMD that they need to stop making their cards look bad on purpose,
release those easily achieved 1200MHz overclocks without beating the Termie at it's own game, and get rid of bad-drivers stigma,
I am sure 660 Ti will have $250 MSRP in no time.

Yes we all agree on $250 being a fair price. They've only sold out of one model on Newegg and remember this isn't even a production card so quantities were never going to be that high to begin with. The low sales show what a turd this is.

 

[f1sherman]

Wow, this 660ti is suddenly becoming a legend, now its 80% of a gtx680!!

yup according to grand aggregate over at 3DC

Yes we all agree on $250 being a fair price. They've only sold out of one model on Newegg and remember this isn't even a production card so quantities were never going to be that high to begin with. The low sales show what a turd this is.

I am not thrilled about it's price either, but calling 660 Ti a turd is not being very realistic about it's position

 

[Silverforce11]

Could u point me to that grand aggregate when its 80% of a gtx680??

 

[f1sherman]

Yes

Start from here

Then find the same report for GTX 670.

 

[Silverforce11]

Yes

Start from here

Then find the same report for GTX 670.

Not sure, is this the right one??

Final summary:

Or what about the 7950 @ 850, 118% faster than 660ti at 1080p 4xAA or a huge 133% faster with 8xAA?? @xbitlabs

 

[f1sherman]

Not sure, is this the right one??

Final summary:

Yup that one. Combine with this

and you get 80% and 79% of 680 at 1080p/1600p 4xAA

 

[kaihonsou]

How long till AMD drop prices again?

 

[f1sherman]

Not sure, is this the right one??

Or what about the 7950 @ 850, 118% faster than 660ti at 1080p 4xAA or a huge 133% faster with 8xAA?? @xbitlabs

3DCenter gives grand aggregate. Xbitlabs is in there

 

[Silverforce11]

Yup that one. Combine with this

and you get 80% and 79% of 680 at 1080p/1440p 4xAA

I hope you realize maths isn't like that.

Also, note the 7950 STOCK already beating the 660ti? Feel free to add 40-50% perf to your 660ti..... wait, no, you can't.

 

[f1sherman]

I hope you realize maths isn't like that.

Care to explain what do you mean by "like that"

660 Ti = 100% ------- 670 = 115,6%
-----------------------670 = 100% ------ 680 = 107.2%



Elementary math gives

660 Ti = 80.6% 670 = 93.3% 680 = 100%

Also, note the 7950 STOCK already beating the 660ti? Feel free to add 40-50% perf to your 660ti..... wait, no, you can't.

What??

Wow, this 660ti is suddenly becoming a legend, now its 80% of a gtx680!!

Q.E.D.

 

[Silverforce11]

What??

Did you miss where the stock 7950 is faster than the 660ti (many of the reviews used OC custom version even!).

 

[cmdrdredd]

Those graphs show hugely varying results depending on who did the testing for the 7950.

 

[Silverforce11]

Those graphs show hugely varying results depending on who did the testing for the 7950.

By hugely you mean its either ~99% of a gtx660ti or much faster??

 

[f1sherman]

Did you miss where the stock 7950 is faster than the 660ti

Lets see:

660 Ti is 80% of GTX680 performance for 60% of it's price.
It carries the same $299 MSRP as 7870, which is $50 lower than 7950, and it gets you NV ecosystem + Borderlands 2.
(91.3% and 101.5% of 660 Ti 1920x1080 performance according to grand aggregate over at 3DCenter)

Nope, seems I mentioned it already.

(many of the reviews used OC custom version even!).

Really? It says 660 Ti on 3DCentar, so I'm pretty sure that's what it means.