GTX 1080 custom (non-Founders Edition) cards

[AtenRa]

Do you have a source that shows the bill of materials is higher? That's just a claim right now.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that the ASUS STRIX board has higher BOM than the NVIDIA FE. You can see for yourself bellow, i dont believe anyone will dispute this.

NVIDIA GTX 1080 FE Board

ASUS STRIX GTX 1080 board

Now i dont know about the cooler but I believe the ASUS STRIX including the 3x fans has higher BOM than the NVIDIA FE.


NVIDIA GTX 1080 FE

ASUS STRIX GTX 1080

 

[tential]

I was talking about the "higher price" BOM of the reference cooler I thought that's what you meant. I'm still trying to figure out what the $100 extra is for that reference cooler.

Where is there any proof that the $100 extra performs any better than any other blower cooler the AIBs are making?

 

[dark zero]

So... nVIDIA FE is a massive scam... and the best cards will come later... a nVIDIA Bulldozer is there I guess... because 980 Ti and Fury X gives some fight.

 

[sam_816]

Do you have a source that shows the bill of materials is higher? That's just a claim right now.

Edit: Read your more recent post. Your wording was confusing. LOL. Sorry for my post. I edited it.

 

[AtenRa]

I was talking about the "higher price" BOM of the reference cooler I thought that's what you meant. I'm still trying to figure out what the $100 extra is for that reference cooler.

Where is there any proof that the $100 extra performs any better than any other blower cooler the AIBs are making?

Ahh ok, no there is no BOM list for the FE cards but NVIDIA said they are using premium components :sneaky:

 

[nitromullet]

[Special] Hands-On: ASUS ROG GTX 1080 STRIX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv_B-zc0kcE

That's a great looking card. Did anyone else cringe watching him "unplug" the power cables from the PCB? https://youtu.be/qv_B-zc0kcE?t=2m05s

 

[tential]

Ahh ok, no there is no BOM list for the FE cards but NVIDIA said they are using premium components :sneaky:

It's not that I don't think the founders edition is worth it. I do. If you want the card first pay a premium if Nvidia wants you to.

But the whole pretending that the card is worth a big premium because it somehow has some premium element is ridiculous. There is not a single shred of evidence that there is a premium thing about founder's edition and that is annoying.

The reviews are what count though so we'll see how much of a difference it makes.

 

[linkgoron]

While Videocardz has been linked, I haven't seen this posted, although I might have missed it.

It's just nice to see all of the PCBs together. Wish they would've added a reference board for comparison, although the Inno3d is closer to the original.

 

[railven]

While Videocardz has been linked, I haven't seen this posted, although I might have missed it.

It's just nice to see all of the PCBs together. Wish they would've added a reference board for comparison, although the Inno3d is closer to the original.

Look at all them custom GTX 1080s. No EVGA Hybrid 🙁 That's the card I really want to see.

I hope it's at min matches the FTW. I'd go ga-ga if it matches the Classified. Haha.

Prices also seem to be very reassuring. Founder's card is just going to be as I said - a niche product. So it's price will stay inflated but anyone outside of needing it's specific use will just ignore it.

 

[tviceman]

Look at all them custom GTX 1080s. No EVGA Hybrid 🙁 That's the card I really want to see.

I hope it's at min matches the FTW. I'd go ga-ga if it matches the Classified. Haha.

Prices also seem to be very reassuring. Founder's card is just going to be as I said - a niche product. So it's price will stay inflated but anyone outside of needing it's specific use will just ignore it.

I really think that the founders edition was Nvidia's way of selling direct to consumers without directly competing with AIB custom cards, while at the same time allowing AIB's to benefit from the artificial price hike. It's bad for consumers and was botched in every wrong way by Nvidia when announced, but it is what it is. So long as there are still $599-619 cards by mid-August, "founders edition" cards should only impact those that simply cannot wait and do not mind paying the extra.

 

[Freddy1765]

So long as there are still $599-619 cards by mid-August, "founders edition" cards should only impact those that simply cannot wait and do not mind paying the extra.

I'm extremely pleasantly surprised by custom card MSRPs - many are in line with a $20-50 mark-up over the 599 price. Of course retail prices are a different story, but that should just be a matter of time.

All the nay-sayers with their predictions of $700+ custom card MSRP seem to have been silenced.

 

[amenx]

I'm extremely pleasantly surprised by custom card MSRPs - many are in line with a $20-50 mark-up over the 599 price. Of course retail prices are a different story, but that should just be a matter of time.

All the nay-sayers with their predictions of $700+ custom card MSRP seem to have been silenced.

Well, they've moved along. And shifted their argument to the 1070's MSRP. 😀

 

[sontin]

I really think that the founders edition was Nvidia's way of selling direct to consumers without directly competing with AIB custom cards, while at the same time allowing AIB's to benefit from the artificial price hike. It's bad for consumers and was botched in every wrong way by Nvidia when announced, but it is what it is. So long as there are still $599-619 cards by mid-August, "founders edition" cards should only impact those that simply cannot wait and do not mind paying the extra.

How was it botched? They have made it clear from the beginning. 😀

Reference design will be priced higher to stay in the market for the whole lifetime of the product.

 

[prtskg]

While I didn't post anything, I wasn't expecting normal pricing for AIB cards. I was expecting inflated prices too. Afterall, it seemed like Nvidia was itself leading the pack.

 

[flopper]

I'm extremely pleasantly surprised by custom card MSRPs - many are in line with a $20-50 mark-up over the 599 price. Of course retail prices are a different story, but that should just be a matter of time.

All the nay-sayers with their predictions of $700+ custom card MSRP seem to have been silenced.

Price is within the ballpark 20euro difference.....so thats no good
only evga has a card at 100 euro less but no cards to buy.
the 1080 would be a great card at 450 euro.
not at 700-800 euro.

 

[zentan]

I'm extremely pleasantly surprised by custom card MSRPs - many are in line with a $20-50 mark-up over the 599 price. Of course retail prices are a different story, but that should just be a matter of time.

All the nay-sayers with their predictions of $700+ custom card MSRP seem to have been silenced.

Yea and the same would happen with gtx 1070 likely.

 

[imaheadcase]

Do video card fans all link together? What i mean is if one fails does they all fail on the card or are they independent of each other? It seems they would be independent so if one fails the card will still be "ok" till it gets replaced. Just wondering for some reason. lol

 

[wilds]

Definitely independent. Although it would be interesting to see what happens if that card with the fan on top of another has a failure.

The Gigabyte GTX 1080 XTREME GAMING has 2 fans in the middle which looks rather strange.

 

[RussianSensation]

I'm extremely pleasantly surprised by custom card MSRPs - many are in line with a $20-50 mark-up over the 599 price. Of course retail prices are a different story, but that should just be a matter of time.

All the nay-sayers with their predictions of $700+ custom card MSRP seem to have been silenced.

A lot of us predicted that because the 1080 FE card is such garbage that AIBs will easily be able to sell cards for $650-700 and get away with it. This is more or less what happened. Almost all the cards in the $599-640 range are crap with 8-pin connector limiting overclocking, insufficient VRM design (not enough phases), lower end coolers than the better cards. From what I've seen, only the Asus Strix has delivered a $620 1080 worth buying. Everything else falls into the gimped category I described above. In any event, all of this is mostly pointless now since AIB 1070 practically made 1080 irrelevant after today's reviews. A $699 FE card looks like a complete waste of $ since it's only 22% faster than a $379 1080 at 1440p, but the key point is 1070 OC can hit 60 fps average @ 1440p in nearly every AAA game in the first place...

The extra performance on the 1080 is pointless for now at the key target resolution these cards are aimed at. Once the performance isn't enough, we'll have Big Pascal in 2017 and Volta GV104 in 2018. In practical terms, 1070 vs. 1080 is the exact repeat of 670 vs. 680 and 970 vs. 980 where the faster card was only faster on paper and in % performance charts. Real world gaming experience is what matters.

 

[exar333]

A lot of us predicted that because the 1080 FE card is such garbage that AIBs will easily be able to sell cards for $650-700 and get away with it. This is more or less what happened. Almost all the cards in the $599-640 range are crap with 8-pin connector limiting overclocking, insufficient VRM design (not enough phases), lower end coolers than the better cards. From what I've seen, only the Asus Strix has delivered a $620 1080 worth buying. Everything else falls into the gimped category I described above. In any event, all of this is mostly pointless now since AIB 1070 practically made 1080 irrelevant after today's reviews. A $699 FE card looks like a complete waste of $ since it's only 22% faster than a $379 1080 at 1440p, but the key point is 1070 OC can hit 60 fps average @ 1440p in nearly every AAA game in the first place...

The extra performance on the 1080 is pointless for now at the key target resolution these cards are aimed at. Once the performance isn't enough, we'll have Big Pascal in 2017 and Volta GV104 in 2018. In practical terms, 1070 vs. 1080 is the exact repeat of 670 vs. 680 and 970 vs. 980 where the faster card was only faster on paper and in % performance charts. Real world gaming experience is what matters.

The performance is definitely worth it to go with the 1080 if you have above 1440p (1440 21:9) or VR/4K displays. 20% is 20%....the 980ti was already a little underpowered in single form and the 1080 helps bridge that.

Agree though, for many cases that the 1070 will get the job done fine. OCing the 1080 also seems to help more with higher resolutions vs 1070.

It's surprising how close they ended up being. I think a REALLY good 1070 model will be the price/performance sweet spot for anyone above 1080p until P10.

 

[misuspita]

The performance is definitely worth it to go with the 1080 if you have above 1440p (1440 21:9) or VR/4K displays

Except it's not. It cannot run reliably over 60fps in 4k, and with both nVidia and AMD launching some bigger dies at year's end, it's not economically sound to buy something now if you need foolproof 4k GPU. That one might be GP102 or Vega. So no, 1080 is not a good buy now imho... And for 4k no, at no price if you desire 60fps

 

[RussianSensation]

The performance is definitely worth it to go with the 1080 if you have above 1440p (1440 21:9) or VR/4K displays. 20% is 20%....the 980ti was already a little underpowered in single form and the 1080 helps bridge that.

Agree though, for many cases that the 1070 will get the job done fine. OCing the 1080 also seems to help more with higher resolutions vs 1070.

It's surprising how close they ended up being. I think a REALLY good 1070 model will be the price/performance sweet spot for anyone above 1080p until P10.

4K
DAI = 35 FPS
The Division = 41 FPS
Far Cry Primal = 42 FPS
Assassin's Creed Syndicate = 42 FPS
The Witcher 3 = 49 FPS (no HairWorks)
Metro Last Light = 46 FPS
Rise of the Tomb Raider = 46 FPS
Shadow of Mordor = 61 FPS
Fallout 4 = 37 FPS
Hitman = 42 FPS
GTA V = 40 FPS
http://m.sweclockers.com/test/22153-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070/5

Even with 0 GameWorks features and 0xAA, 1080 OC cannot hit 60 FPS in modern AAA games at 4K.
https://youtu.be/XdN9DxR-JVQ

25% extra over 980Ti OC/1070 OC is a drop in the bucket for 4K gaming when what's needed is 50-80% more performance. That's why for 4K gaming 1070 SLI is still better. A single 1080 is a pointless videocard. Overkill for 1080p 60Hz, pointless for 1440p 60Hz, not fast enough for 1440p 144-165Hz or 4K 60 FPS average. The exact definition of a No Mans Land videocard -- exactly what I said when the Original Titan came out (too fast for low end resolutions, not fast enough for next gen games or 4K). Since 1070 also costs much less, it'll be far easier to sell as there will be a bigger market for it. Once 2017 cards hit the scene, 1080's resale value will drop big. Just like today there is hardly anything better than a $200 970, making it an easy sell, but try selling a used 980/980Ti for close to their MSRP around launch?

1080 is a repeat of 980--only purpose are paper benchmarks to say it's the fastest. In practical terms, it's not going to provide a much better gaming experience where it counts. It's exactly why many 980Ti users were disappointed by it. It's another waste of $ videocard against 1070/980Ti and 1070 SLI.

 

[faseman]

$700 for a 300mm2 die is a sad joke. Should be $200-300 cheaper.

 

[ShintaiDK]

$700 for a 300mm2 die is a sad joke. Should be $200-300 cheaper.

Why? Only due to mm2 size? In that case it should cost 50$.

 

[cytg111]

That's why for 4K gaming 1070 SLI is still better. A single 1080 is a pointless videocard. Overkill for 1080p 60Hz, pointless for 1440p 60Hz, not fast enough for 1440p 144-165Hz or 4K 60 FPS average..... It's another waste of $ videocard against 1070/980Ti and 1070 SLI.

- Sort of my line of thinking right now, especially if you are VR oriented and thinking SLI/SMP, a couple of 1070's is the cost-effective solution.