GT300 ready for mass production

[thilanliyan]

It would be nice to see the cards out by the end of the year.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: alyarb
fermi had nothing to do with the design of the trinity device. he just started and ended the first artificial reaction in chicago.

Correct.

if the flagship codenames ended up being a series of important physicists' last names, that would be interesting by-play. i mean, on the one hand you have AMD's conifer trees, and from nvidia you have tesla, fermi, oppenheimer, teller, ulam, sakharov. hopefully they will save names like newton and descartes for the IGPs.

Heh, they will have some spelling issues to tackle when after Teller they get to the rest of the Hungarians in the pack (Wigner, Szilard, Neumann)...

 

[T2k]

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[T2k]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Wake me up when we have something concrete.

It's really quite sad to see these NV focus group members on here. I think they are polluting this site and all of them should be banned like Rollo. This place has be become like P&N with video cards.

I disagree. I think it shows just how desperate Nvidia has become now that 58070 is shipping...

 

[alcoholbob]

8800GTX - November 2006
GTX 280 - June 2008
GT300 - Black Friday/November 2009?

Black Friday release would be the normal release cycle for nvidia...but I don't think either release have dealt with the manufacturing problems the 40nm process has.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: T2k
YAWN.

Another BS link, another empty topic with nothing but BS rumors.

Kinda embarrassing line of work, isn't it, NV Focus Group member?

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Wake me up when we have something concrete.

It's really quite sad to see these NV focus group members on here. I think they are polluting this site and all of them should be banned like Rollo. This place has be become like P&N with video cards.

Passes toilet paper. Bait ignored.

Here you go guys/gals. Top of the forum stickage. Get close and personal. :thumbsup:

 

[Jacen]

I wonder if Nvidia is telling these Focus Groups the same thing they are telling OEMs, as in, don't expect product until early next year?

And so continues the next 3 and a half months of hype trying to spin specs and speculation to get buyers to hold off on their even-later-than-expected next gen hardware.

 

[Bateluer]

I hope they do have a successful launch in a few months, it'll drive prices down on the 5870s so I can pick up the 2GB model for cheaper.

 

[exar333]

Originally posted by: Jacen
I wonder if Nvidia is telling these Focus Groups the same thing they are telling OEMs, as in, don't expect product until early next year?

And so continues the next 3 and a half months of hype trying to spin specs and speculation to get buyers to hold off on their even-later-than-expected next gen hardware.

Or maybe there are just people thread-crapping because they have nothing better to do....like you!

Back on-topic...

If this is true, it would be great to see some preliminary samples with some actual performance data. Because the 58xx series is already out, I would imagine NV will be somewhat careful with what gets leaked until drivers are tweaked.

Assuming this card is within 20% of the 58xx series (either faster OR slower) early benches with poorly optimized drivers could generate negative buzz that could or could not be accurate. I would expect we won't hear too much until samples are ready with somewhat mature drivers. Definitely waiting to hear more.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Jacen
I wonder if Nvidia is telling these Focus Groups the same thing they are telling OEMs, as in, don't expect product until early next year?
And so continues the next 3 and a half months of hype trying to spin specs and speculation to get buyers to hold off on their even-later-than-expected next gen hardware.

I this what Nvidia is telling OEM's ?

And by the way, if you had a product that you wished to sell, but your competition got theirs out before you did, would you just sit tight and hope for the best? Or would you at least announce that your product is coming soon to try and let folks know they don't have long to wait until they can see which is better? Yours or theirs?

I think you would. I think anybody would.

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: Hauk
All right Keys, spill the beans on those specs already!

So what became of Rollo? Is he still a focus group member? Just curious, he was an interesting fellow despite, well you know.

"Geez let's hope 8800GTX days if anything. You know that song that drunk fat chicks dance to? May be fitting soon.. "you dropped a bomb on me, baby, you dropped a bomb on me."

Sorry guys. Can't do it. I'd love to.

Rollo is still in the group. We talk frequently. It's amazing how he still comes up in many a discussion after all this time.

Hmmm.. Performance is "out of the ordinary". I wonder what that could mean? Could it mean that the performance is waaaay under what we expected? Meaning less than ordinary expectations? Or the opposite? ::::::::::BITES TONGUE:::::::::::: in anticipation.

It's understood that you can break privilege with spouses no matter what the context. Consider anandtech your spouse and get to speaking!

At least tell us the cards aren't 8 feet long like ATI's newest...

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
It's amazing how he still comes up in many a discussion after all this time.

At least they are getting to Stage 5 nonetheless.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: ronnn
First card before the end of the year, certainly doesn't make kyle wrong. Seems they are confirming the soft launch by christmas and cards available by feb 2010 rumour.

Tough times for nvidia.

Anyway, if they can get cards out by Xmas that outperform 5XXX, I dont see them having a problem retaining a substantial marketshare lead.

If the cards do not outperform 5XXX, or outperform by a 5% average and cost ~$100 more, they could be in trouble.

I feel sorry for the people who keep personally attacking and attempting to de-rail when a mod finally scrolls through this thread.

 

[Jacen]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: Jacen
I wonder if Nvidia is telling these Focus Groups the same thing they are telling OEMs, as in, don't expect product until early next year?
And so continues the next 3 and a half months of hype trying to spin specs and speculation to get buyers to hold off on their even-later-than-expected next gen hardware.

I this what Nvidia is telling OEM's ?

And by the way, if you had a product that you wished to sell, but your competition got theirs out before you did, would you just sit tight and hope for the best? Or would you at least announce that your product is coming soon to try and let folks know they don't have long to wait until they can see which is better? Yours or theirs?

I think you would. I think anybody would.

Are you trying to say that 3 and a half months isn't a long wait in the world of GPUs and hardware upgrades? Because I would certainly disagree with you...

Its very well may be close to mass production but I still don't expect to see it this year regardless of what NordicHardware thinks.

 

[Kakkoii]

Originally posted by: Jacen

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: Jacen
I wonder if Nvidia is telling these Focus Groups the same thing they are telling OEMs, as in, don't expect product until early next year?
And so continues the next 3 and a half months of hype trying to spin specs and speculation to get buyers to hold off on their even-later-than-expected next gen hardware.

I this what Nvidia is telling OEM's ?

And by the way, if you had a product that you wished to sell, but your competition got theirs out before you did, would you just sit tight and hope for the best? Or would you at least announce that your product is coming soon to try and let folks know they don't have long to wait until they can see which is better? Yours or theirs?

I think you would. I think anybody would.

Are you trying to say that 3 and a half months isn't a long wait in the world of GPUs and hardware upgrades? Because I would certainly disagree with you...

Its very well may be close to mass production but I still don't expect to see it this year regardless of what NordicHardware thinks.

2 months till samples are sent out for review. It doesn't take much longer for release after that.

 

[Lonyo]

AT says in its article mass availability Q1 2010. That's quite a while away still.
HD5870/50 don't have MA yet but they are launched, so looks like GT300 will be at least 3 months later for MA.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Looks as though AMD, and Kyle might be very wrong.

I think Kyle is very right, and so does Anand:

while Fermi currently exists on paper, it's not a product yet. Fermi is late. Clock speeds, configurations and price points have yet to be finalized. NVIDIA just recently got working chips back and it's going to be at least two months before I see the first samples. Widespread availability won't be until at least Q1 2010.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3651

 

[Kuzi]

Two months till first samples, that could mean actual release 3 months or more from now. So late December release at the earliest.

ATI must be very happy with this news.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Kuzi
Two months till first samples, that could mean actual release 3 months or more from now. So late December release at the earliest.

ATI must be very happy with this news.

Honestly I don't think they will care.
They have a product available now. It competes against, well, nothing. It will continue to compete against nothing, and when NV release their new product, it won't compete against it.
The only competitor to the HD5870 is the GTX295, arguably, which has many drawbacks (such as being I think more expensive, being hotter, and being an SLI setup).

The only thing ATI might care about would be pricing, but I don't think they will bat an eyelid because their product is cheaper to make, so there's not much opportunity for NV to put pricing pressure on them.
The only thing it might impact is the HD5870X2 which isn't out yet, and will probably come out close to the GT300 and manage to beat it, but be XFire (bad), and consume more power etc.

ATI have their niche sorted, and NV will once again come in ahead of them in raw single card performance, but once again at a higher price with a more expensive to make card.
The only question ATI will be having is "what else are NV making to compete in the low end and more midrange segments, and are our products going to be out, affordable, competitive, and have the margins we need to succeed?".

 

[Kuzi]

I agree.

Although I think a delay for Fermi does mean OEMs (Dell etc) will equip their new top end systems with ATI cards as nV doesn't have DX11 support yet. Windows 7 releases next month and there will be an increase in PC sales and ATI can capitalize on this.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Looks as though AMD, and Kyle might be very wrong.

They also link to Fudzilla blog.

Anandtech's latest article highlights that the chip won't be out for another 2 months (as noted by others above), so Q1 2010 to hit stores in large quantities at the earliest.

Without a doubt NV has to be faster this time by a long shot (20%+), or be priced below. Either way, it can't only be within 5% of ATI after being late 3-4 months. Consider it is still 512 shader processor design with architectural efficiency improvements, I think NV got the performance crown for a single card in the bag on this one (384-bit DDR5 interface too). But I don't see how they can price this card at reasonable levels compared to 5870 considering significantly larger size.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: ronnn
Tough times for nvidia.

Why? They still have the fastest video card out there.

But let's look everywhere else and ATI smacks NV at all price levels (used Newegg)

4850 $80-$95 = 9800GTX at $100-$110 (ATI wins on price advantage).
4870 $125-$140 = GTX 216 at $150-$165
4890 $165-$175 = GTX 275 at $210-$220
5850 $260 => GTX 285 at $295-$330
5870 has no competition from NV at all at $380; you can also get 4870 X2 for $360 online.

The only card that has anything going for it on NV side is now GTX 295 but it costs $465-$470 at the Egg. But how many people will buy GTX 295? 1%?

NV better get their sh!t together for some serious competition. 3-4 months late to the party is ok once, but they cant keep delaying after this generation or they'll be 6-8 months behind next time, compared to ATI's next chip if similar timing continues for GF12.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: OCguy


I feel sorry for the people who keep personally attacking and attempting to de-rail when a mod finally scrolls through this thread.

Wha??? This is the OCguy we all love and ignore right?

 

[Arglebargle]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: Jacen
I wonder if Nvidia is telling these Focus Groups the same thing they are telling OEMs, as in, don't expect product until early next year?
And so continues the next 3 and a half months of hype trying to spin specs and speculation to get buyers to hold off on their even-later-than-expected next gen hardware.

I this what Nvidia is telling OEM's ?

And by the way, if you had a product that you wished to sell, but your competition got theirs out before you did, would you just sit tight and hope for the best? Or would you at least announce that your product is coming soon to try and let folks know they don't have long to wait until they can see which is better? Yours or theirs?

I think you would. I think anybody would.

The problem I see with this line of arguement is that it is a Pro Forma response. No matter what the situation, this would be what you do. Looks like a standard response, with little depth o' info.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: OCguy


I feel sorry for the people who keep personally attacking and attempting to de-rail when a mod finally scrolls through this thread.

Wha??? This is the OCguy we all love and ignore right?

Yes, very bad posts.