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Grudge Match From Hell : HD 6970 Vs GTX 560

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My point is with the gtx570 comming down to 315$ AR and a 250$ gtx560 ~ = to a 6970 @ 1080p when overclocked, the 6970 needs a price cut now. This I think we can all agree upon.
 
happy medium said:
My point is with the gtx570 comming down to 315$ AR and a 250$ gtx560 ~ = to a 6970 @ 1080p when overclocked, the 6970 needs a price cut now. This I think we can all agree upon.
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Maybe AMD could cut the price and then for certain people who don't want a price cut, they can give them the option to pay more. A video card donation box.
 
While the comparison between a stock HD6970 and an overclocked GTX 560 does seem unfair, if several NV's AIBs deliver $279 1000mhz GTX560s, then GTX570/580 and HD6950/70 will all have become completely overpriced for anyone gaming on 1920x1200 or below & using a single monitor.

Of course once you consider overclocking the 570/6970 cards, then their premium may be justified. However, if we look it at from a perspective of what the consumer will be able to get out of the box with 'factory preoverclocked' settings, there is nothing that will touch a 1000 mhz GTX560. We are talking about a card with performance eclipsing GTX480, a card which cost nearly $500 less than 12 months ago. That is impressive from a performance/dollar perspective.
 
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Wow lot of upset people when a Nvidia card is featured winning ?
Many of the same people defend the Steam survey AMD wins threads and the gtx 580 being paper launched, its useful information for some 🙂
Not surprising, I noticed there are some still in denial that the gtx 460 ftw was a retail card.
 
happy medium said:
My point is with the gtx570 comming down to 315$ AR and a 250$ gtx560 ~ = to a 6970 @ 1080p when overclocked, the 6970 needs a price cut now. This I think we can all agree upon.
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This I agree with, I thought the 6970 was overpriced before a GTX 560 showed up.
 
RussianSensation said:
While the comparison between a stock HD6970 and an overclocked GTX 560 does seem unfair, if several NV's AIBs deliver $279 1000mhz GTX560s, then GTX570/580 and HD6950/70 will all have become completely overpriced for anyone gaming on 1920x1200 or below & using a single monitor.

If you look it at from a perspective of what the consumer will be able to get out of the box with 'factory preoverclocked' settings, there is nothing that touches the 1000 mhz GTX560. We are talking about a card with performance eclipsing GTX480, a card which cost nearly $500 less than 12 months ago. That is impressive from a performance/dollar perspective.
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While I agree to some extent with what you said here. $280 is dangerously close to the price of dual 6850s/460s.

Actually, you can get 2 6850s for $280 if you know where to look.
 
notty22 said:
Wow lot of upset people when a Nvidia card is featured winning ?
Many of the same people defend the Steam survey AMD wins threads and the gtx 580 being paper launched, its useful information for some 🙂
Not surprising, I noticed there are some still in denial that the gtx 460 ftw was a retail card.
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Its amazing how some people get upset over an nVidia card winning anything, let alone against the fastest AMD GPU. The review is always biased, or nVidia cheats with certain games, or the extreme resolutions that very few people play at aren't used. I mean seriously... 🙄

Oh wait, must add that they also mention that two cheaper cards can also be used. Everyone owns a mobo with 2+ PCI-E slots, right?
 
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notty22 said:
Wow lot of upset people when a Nvidia card is featured winning ?
Many of the same people defend the Steam survey AMD wins threads and the gtx 580 being paper launched, its useful information for some 🙂
Not surprising, I noticed there are some still in denial that the gtx 460 ftw was a retail card.
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Way to miss the point that was stated quite clearly in a bunch of posts. I own two EVGA 580s superclocked, want a photo?

Some of us care that faulty reasoning is being employed to try to cast a card in a positive light - that's it. Plenty of the Nvidia-friendly posts seem to highlight Nvidia cards and overclocking while failing to realize that AMD cards also overclock. Is that news to you, or something?
 
Aristotelian said:
Way to miss the point that was stated quite clearly in a bunch of posts. I own two EVGA 580s superclocked, want a photo?

Some of us care that faulty reasoning is being employed to try to cast a card in a positive light - that's it. Plenty of the Nvidia-friendly posts seem to highlight Nvidia cards and overclocking while failing to realize that AMD cards also overclock. Is that news to you, or something?
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I think you should have followed your better judgment and not read this thread. There is CLEARLY an agenda here. If some people have to resort to this kind of straw grasping then they are the only people disappointed by the particular card they are hyping.

Notice none of them pay attention to my post about $140 6850s (That can also be overclocked)

The 560 is a great card and doesn't need this kind of hyping.


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Aristotelian said:
Way to miss the point that was stated quite clearly in a bunch of posts. I own two EVGA 580s superclocked, want a photo?

Some of us care that faulty reasoning is being employed to try to cast a card in a positive light - that's it. Plenty of the Nvidia-friendly posts seem to highlight Nvidia cards and overclocking while failing to realize that AMD cards also overclock. Is that news to you, or something?
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Sorry, but I see much worse information being shoveled based on unrealistic prices. People are in denial representing one off massive rebate deals as what a video card costs.
Seeing a hardware comparison with overclocking is just results. Thats information I enjoy reading. Not freaking out, when I see my team lose.
 
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http://blogs.nvidia.com/2011/01/new...;E2%80%93-directx-11-gaming-gets-even-better/
New today, the GeForce GTX 560 Ti is the graphics card you’ve been asking for. Not only does it have 384 CUDA cores, but we’ve juiced the graphics clocks up to 822MHz and improved power efficiency. The GTX 560 Ti delivers 33% better performance and 21% better performance / watt compared to the GTX 460. It runs just as cool and quiet and is still an overclocker’s dream.
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notty22 said:
You should read your own posts, you sound like a used car salesman lately, quoting a different 'new low price' every time I look for the 6850. Why don't you follow your own advice you spoon out, and go and buy one ?
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Getting personal are we?

I give advice where its needed, Unlike you, I've recommended cards from both vendors. I don't see anything wrong with showing someone the lowest price I could find on a card as opposed to the highest. Do you?

I'm too poor to afford a 6850. Come to my country and you would be shocked how much cards cost here. Almost twice what you guys pay. So think again before you tell me what to do.
 
notty22 said:
Wow lot of upset people when a Nvidia card is featured winning ?
Many of the same people defend the Steam survey AMD wins threads and the gtx 580 being paper launched, its useful information for some 🙂
Not surprising, I noticed there are some still in denial that the gtx 460 ftw was a retail card.
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Here's my review of the GTX570 vs the GTX580. (Imagine that only the GTX570 and GTX580 are presented in these benchmarks, and that all 2560x1600 results have been cropped off)

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4135/35191.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4135/35175.png
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/geforce-gtx-570/fnv.png
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/geforce-gtx-570/sc2.png

4 games, the GTX580 is $150 more and offers no performance benefit.
What a joke of a card and horrible value.
 
The raining champion! the 6950 overclocked by 1mhz!

the challenger! the 560 overclocked by 1,000 mhz!

WHO WILL WIN!?

only time will tell!... pickes cherry picked benchmarks GO!

AhAH! the 560 is faster!


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We want to give all our members as much freedom as possible while maintaining an environment that encourages productive discussion. It is our desire to encourage our members to share their knowledge and experiences in order to benefit the rest of the community, while also providing a place for people to come and just hang out.

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Lonyo said:
It's pretty much a no brainer than the GTX560 is the better buy for 1680x1050.
For one, NV just performs better at lower resolutions than comparable AMD cards. AMD starts to do better the higher the resolution.

That's also one of the reasons why the first piece of information (or question) in an advice thread should be/often is "What resolution will you play at?".
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You mean the 6850 is a no brainer at 16x10, right?

If I had a 1680x1050 monitor, no way am I spending $250 to accelerate it. The 6850 should be plenty adequate.

This comparison of the 560 v. 6970 at 16x10 is pointless.
 
Arkadrel said:
The raining champion! the 6950 overclocked by 1mhz!

the challenger! the 560 overclocked by 1,000 mhz!

WHO WILL WIN!?

only time will tell!... pickes cherry picked benchmarks GO!

AhAH! the 560 is faster!
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The only real difference in these cards @ 1000 core is the 6950 is much louder, hotter and uses more power. You will need to pump more voltage into the 6950.

For a few more dollars (13$?) you can just buy a gigabyte SOC @ 1000 core garaunteed and it runs much more cool and quiet and uses much less power.

Call it cherry picked chips or whatever, it does not change the fact that this chip is the better chip.
 
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