Greece about to default

[chucky2]

They will soon have no money, no food, no medicine, nothing!
Their attitudes are about to become violently adjusted by a harsh reality. That collapse turns economies third world over night.

Bah, they'll get food they won't starve. Look at our "poor" here in the US, the Pols keep them strung along on handouts and they are completely indoctrinated to living at handout/scamout level. If it comes down to living in the same places they're in now, eating subsidized food, really, how bad is that in the grand scheme of things? So the young will have to actually do sh1t and not retire at 50 or whatever preposterous age they actually had, the "old" folks will still be sucking down massive resources.

I just see no real changing happen until things truly become harsh enough where the harshness penetrates the Pol handouts/smoke screen and true (not Politically Correct) realization of Why Persistent Suck happens, thereby forcing the psyche of those affected to actually take steps to fix their present situation - Pol handout distraction be damned.

It will be like a true reality TV show watching the machinations that Greece will go through, I just hope the EU doesn't give in. We've seen what constant "free" money does to drive Greek reforms (that is, it makes a giant sucking sound just like the "free" money the US generates out of thin air does to our Pols here, followed by a burp and request for more), I just wonder WTF Greece is going to do? Some of these places really are going to have a hard time existing with modern wants and a non-modern economy.

 

[K1052]

But...you'd still have to hire Greek workers with Greek attitudes. I get what you're saying but exactly what company is going to want to do that when there are so many other low budget options out there? Once an acceptable P/$ value is hit, do you really want to try and get blood out of the olive and all the hassle that will go along with it?

The country has already lost 3% of it's population since 2010, is bleeding out it's entire educated class that can move abroad, and has an unemployment rate of 25% (double that for the youth). Anyone thinking this won't impact the rest of southern Europe because you think Greeks are stereotypically lazy is living in a fantasy.

 

[chucky2]

Perhaps those accepting Greek immigrants will realize why we don't really need our own latin illegal invasion? Let them stay there and figure their own country out. I see nothing that makes Greeks special over Africans.

 

[K1052]

Perhaps those accepting Greek immigrants will realize why we don't really need our own latin illegal invasion? Let them stay there and figure their own country out. I see nothing that makes Greeks special over Africans.

Except they hold EU citizenship...

 

[chucky2]

Bah, I'm sure that's easily solvable. Call it a quarantine for medical purposes - the more well off Greeks in Greece helping their country out the more money they have, the better medical services they can provide. Shit, that's a humanitarian reason! Think of the children! I mean, who is going to protest? The Greeks? Hahaha...

 

[Charmonium]

The country has already lost 3% of it's population since 2010, is bleeding out it's entire educated class that can move abroad, and has an unemployment rate of 25% (double that for the youth). Anyone thinking this won't impact the rest of southern Europe because you think Greeks are stereotypically lazy is living in a fantasy.

The population of Greece is only 11M. NYC is about 8.5M. So it's hard to see how an extra 3 or even 5% of Greeks leaving would have much of an impact. You're talking about 300-500k people. How is that going to make a dent.

 

[chucky2]

The population of Greece is only 11M. NYC is about 8.5M. So it's hard to see how an extra 3 or even 5% of Greeks leaving would have much of an impact. You're talking about 300-500k people. How is that going to make a dent.

Well, if those numbers are accurate, and if those are predominately the well off Greeks, then, sure, it is going to have some impact. Short of well off Greeks conducting a military invasion of wherever they want to go however, it just takes countries meeting and agreeing to stop awarding access to the country by Greek immigrants. Greek's protest? F man, that's too bad, we'll file that complain to File 13 Division. Next!

 

[K1052]

The population of Greece is only 11M. NYC is about 8.5M. So it's hard to see how an extra 3 or even 5% of Greeks leaving would have much of an impact. You're talking about 300-500k people. How is that going to make a dent.

I think you are vastly underestimating the number of people that will emigrate if this thing goes all the way.

 

[JSt0rm]

greece will become the north korea of europe. A new fat man will come to rule all.

 

[chucky2]

greece will become the north korea of europe. A new fat man will come to rule all.

Sweet, we're awesome at the Mil shit, most especially when we don't have to occupy... :biggrin:

 

[K1052]

Well, if those numbers are accurate, and if those are predominately the well off Greeks, then, sure, it is going to have some impact. Short of well off Greeks conducting a military invasion of wherever they want to go however, it just takes countries meeting and agreeing to stop awarding access to the country by Greek immigrants. Greek's protest? F man, that's too bad, we'll file that complain to File 13 Division. Next!

The EU would have to agree to rescind citizenship for ethnic Greeks without any due process then presumably forcibly remove them from EU territory. Besides the fact that there is no mechanism, precedent, or even will for this I bet the imagery of Germans rounding up a particular ethnic group would work out swimmingly.

 

[chucky2]

The EU would have to agree to rescind citizenship for ethnic Greeks without any due process then presumably forcibly remove them from EU territory. Besides the fact that there is no mechanism, precedent, or even will for this I bet the imagery of Germans rounding up a particular ethnic group would work out swimmingly.

What are you talking about man? Those who made it out made it out, they wouldn't be rounding up anyone. This is exactly like Amnesty 2.0 and the US. It's stopping the flow that is the issue now (if the mass emigration you are calling for happens/is happening).

 

[K1052]

What are you talking about man? Those who made it out made it out, they wouldn't be rounding up anyone. This is exactly like Amnesty 2.0 and the US. It's stopping the flow that is the issue now (if the mass emigration you are calling for happens/is happening).

There is no legal framework for that either and it would be nearly impossible to police.

 

[chucky2]

There is no legal framework for that either and it would be nearly impossible to police.

Maybe it could be policed from within Greece itself, to keep the $ in (opposite of US illegal invasion situation). Guess they need to figure something out, whatever they're doing now aint working...

 

[glenn1]

greece will become the north korea of europe. A new fat man will come to rule all.

This will be fun to see how many different bogeymen the left can raise. The realization might be starting to set in there is no scare tactic that will work this time. It's austerity or out of EU and voters of other EU nations are starting to now favor the later. There is zero percent chance that austerity will be lifted.

 

[Greenman]

It sure looks like everyone is going to lose on this deal. It's a pretty sad situation.

 

[glenn1]

It sure looks like everyone is going to lose on this deal. It's a pretty sad situation.

Everyone already lost unless you're a Keynesian and you consider the billions of Euros the Greeks pissed away to be a good thing. If nothing else treating Greece like your deadbeat child you kick out of your basement at 40 years old will be a good template for doing the same to Detroit, Chicago, and other bankrupt shitholes that looted their taxpayers to fund lavish government pay and benefits and now plan on fucking over creditors.

 

[JSt0rm]

Perhaps those accepting Greek immigrants will realize why we don't really need our own latin illegal invasion? Let them stay there and figure their own country out. I see nothing that makes Greeks special over Africans.

And whats wrong with Africans?

 

[JSt0rm]

This will be fun to see how many different bogeymen the left can raise. The realization might be starting to set in there is no scare tactic that will work this time. It's austerity or out of EU and voters of other EU nations are starting to now favor the later. There is zero percent chance that austerity will be lifted.

Thats all I and the left care about. Raising boogie-men. We really all just want to be greece and have the right work while we sit around eating lobster and filet and driving escalades.

 

[JSt0rm]

Everyone already lost unless you're a Keynesian and you consider the billions of Euros the Greeks pissed away to be a good thing. If nothing else treating Greece like your deadbeat child you kick out of your basement at 40 years old will be a good template for doing the same to Detroit, Chicago, and other bankrupt shitholes that looted their taxpayers to fund lavish government pay and benefits and now plan on fucking over creditors.

Oh I see. you have quite the monologue going on here. Do you dream this stuff?

 

[alcoholbob]

And whats wrong with Africans?

African immigrants arent particularly politically correct. About 98% of them have college degrees and a lot of them criticize black American culture. They're a bit troublesome for SJWs and the far left. If we're going to transform the nation we need more malleable immigrants, the ones who accept victim hood is the result of their life problems more readily.

 

[JSt0rm]

African immigrants arent particularly politically correct. About 98% of them have college degrees and a lot of them criticize black American culture. They're a bit troublesome for SJWs and the far left. If we're going to transform the nation we need more malleable immigrants, the ones who accept victim hood is the result of their life problems more readily.

Oh I thought we were talking about europe.

 

[unokitty]

For years Greek politicians have promised the Greek people that they could have more than they earned... For example, "Today, Greece has only four working people for every three retirees, pensions consume more than half of all government revenue — and the population is rapidly aging..."

And the Greek politicians lied to enter the European Union so that they could borrow more money....

Now that the politicians can neither borrow more money nor pay back the money that they have already borrowed. Nor are the Greek politicians willing to meaningfully reform their economy. Consequently, the Greek politicians are desperate to blame anyone but themselves...

Still, if Greece is a democracy and the people vote to not pay back their debts, that would seem to be their prerogative. Isn't that analogous to what Iceland did a few years ago?

So, Greece has to be self sufficient for a period of time. I don't understand why that would be a long term problem.

Now, the politicians having to explain to the Greek people why they can't have what the politicians promised. For the politicians, that is a problem.

For the people, its only a problem if they believed the politicians...

Uno

 

[Greenman]

Everyone already lost unless you're a Keynesian and you consider the billions of Euros the Greeks pissed away to be a good thing. If nothing else treating Greece like your deadbeat child you kick out of your basement at 40 years old will be a good template for doing the same to Detroit, Chicago, and other bankrupt shitholes that looted their taxpayers to fund lavish government pay and benefits and now plan on fucking over creditors.

I don't really know what a Keynesian is, but I do know that no one is going to walk away from this deal smiling. As you noted, these same decisions are going to have to be made here soon enough. I assume the Feds will end up funding the pensions of the unions, and everyone else will get fucked.

 

[CPA]

For years Greek politicians have promised the Greek people that they could have more than they earned... For example, "Today, Greece has only four working people for every three retirees, pensions consume more than half of all government revenue — and the population is rapidly aging..."

And the Greek politicians lied to enter the European Union so that they could borrow more money....

Now that the politicians can neither borrow more money nor pay back the money that they have already borrowed. Nor are the Greek politicians willing to meaningfully reform their economy. Consequently, the Greek politicians are desperate to blame anyone but themselves...

Still, if Greece is a democracy and the people vote to not pay back their debts, that would seem to be their prerogative. Isn't that analogous to what Iceland did a few years ago?

So, Greece has to be self sufficient for a period of time. I don't understand why that would be a long term problem.

Now, the politicians having to explain to the Greek people why they can't have what the politicians promised. For the politicians, that is a problem.

For the people, its only a problem if they believed the politicians...

Uno

But austerity...