Greatest disaster in US history

[Muse]

I'm not a historian, but I'm educated.

IMO, the recent POTUS election cycle was a bigger disaster for the USA than:

The Civil War
The Great Depression
Both World Wars
The assasinations of JFK, RFK, MLK II
The dotcom bust
9/11
The failed wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq
The housing bust/Great Recession

IMO, we are in deep doo doo. People don't care what the truth is. Certainly, the president doesn't, that's totally obvious to any honest person.

 

[momeNt]

I agree with this because this disaster is so large it can't even be named by a single specific thing. I guess you could call it the American Disaster. It really is just the summation of everything American imploding in on itself. American media culture, American election, American party politics. It's the death of American freedom.

 

[Genx87]

I'm not a historian, but I'm educated.

IMO, the recent POTUS election cycle was a bigger disaster for the USA than:

The Civil War
The Great Depression
Both World Wars
The assasinations of JFK, RFK, MLK II
The dotcom bust
9/11
The failed wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq
The housing bust/Great Recession

IMO, we are in deep doo doo. People don't care what the truth is. Certainly, the president doesn't, that's totally obvious to any honest person.

I have to assume this is a sarcastic post?

 

[LevelSea]

I'm educated.

Better ask for a refund.

 

[PokerGuy]

hahaha, another triggered lefty

Bottom line is that yes, we have a lousy president, but an even worse disaster was averted.

 

[Mai72]

I'm not a big fan of Trump but I will hold my judgement. I hope that he can do at least 30-50% of what he promised.

The reality? I wouldn't be surprised if he gets impeached in 2 years. His Twitter rants, if they continue, will be a serious problem for our country. If his personal businesses interfere with his job as POTUS that will be another huge problem. Finally, if he's not able to produce on the scale that he promised many of his supporters will be disillusioned.

Again. All of these scenarios haven't happened yet. They may never happen. It's why I'm not going to agree with your statement. Let history decide.

 

[woolfe9998]

This was a great disaster because the American electorate now officially no longer cares about the truth. The implications of this for the future are staggering. It goes way beyond the specific impact of a Trump presidency. We have a president-elect who brazenly lies to the American public on a daily basis, and practically no one even cares. If the American people can disregard such serial lying on the part of a candidate and elected POTUS, then we can be convinced of anything.

I'm afraid the internet has undermined the foundations of democracy. Welcome to online America circa 2016, where facts are like a commodity that we pick and choose based on preference. Don't like what you're reading on the news? Go read fake news instead if it tells you what you want to hear. It's literally one click away. And it doesn't matter who it comes from. Even a hostile foreign power can manipulate the perceptions of Americans. This is how credulous we have become as a result of virulent partisanship. Literally anything is now possible.

 

[UglyCasanova]

This was a great disaster because the American electorate now officially no longer cares about the truth. The implications of this for the future are staggering. It goes way beyond the specific impact of a Trump presidency. We have a president-elect who brazenly lies to the American public on a daily basis, and practically no one even cares. If the American people can disregard such serial lying on the part of a candidate and elected POTUS, then we can be convinced of anything.

I'm afraid the internet has undermined the foundations of democracy. Welcome to online America circa 2016, where facts are like a commodity that we pick and choose based on preference. Don't like what you're reading on the news? Go read fake news instead if it tells you what you want to hear. It's literally one click away. And it doesn't matter who it comes from. Even a hostile foreign power can manipulate the perceptions of Americans. This is how credulous we have become as a result of virulent partisanship. Literally anything is now possible.

The internet exposed the truth. We got glimpses into the inner workings of the DNC and Hillarys inner circle and the voting public is better for it. Blame the ruskies or whoever you want, but all that happened was real emails were laid bare. Is that a bad thing?

 

[PokerGuy]

This was a great disaster because the American electorate now officially no longer cares about the truth. The implications of this for the future are staggering. It goes way beyond the specific impact of a Trump presidency. We have a president-elect who brazenly lies to the American public on a daily basis, and practically no one even cares. If the American people can disregard such serial lying on the part of a candidate and elected POTUS, then we can be convinced of anything.

Yeah, presidents lying is definitely a new horrible thing. Not like "I did not have relations with that woman" coming from a philandering guy lying under oath, or "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" coming from a guy pushing a horrible 2000+ page debacle. Or maybe illary telling us how she landed under sniper fire, or about supposed reasons her email setup was perfectly okie dokie. The lies of the president elect are now an issue!! The sky is falling!

I'm afraid the internet has undermined the foundations of democracy. Welcome to online America circa 2016, where facts are like a commodity that we pick and choose based on preference. Don't like what you're reading on the news? Go read fake news instead if it tells you what you want to hear. It's literally one click away.

Dailykos, salon, slate, huffpo, cnn etc are not new, it's not a new phenomenon.

And it doesn't matter who it comes from. Even a hostile foreign power can manipulate the perceptions of Americans. This is how credulous we have become as a result of virulent partisanship. Literally anything is now possible.

Since when is the source of an idea or information more important than the idea or the information itself? Yes, a big portion of the population (on both sides of the spectrum mind you) is just really dumb and easily duped. Whether they are duped by the left wing or right wing media doesn't really matter.

 

[dphantom]

I'm not a historian, but I'm educated.

The first is obvious, the latter in serious doubt.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I'm not a big fan of Trump but I will hold my judgement. I hope that he can do at least 30-50% of what he promised.

The reality? I wouldn't be surprised if he gets impeached in 2 years. His Twitter rants, if they continue, will be a serious problem for our country. If his personal businesses interfere with his job as POTUS that will be another huge problem. Finally, if he's not able to produce on the scale that he promised many of his supporters will be disillusioned.

Again. All of these scenarios haven't happened yet. They may never happen. It's why I'm not going to agree with your statement. Let history decide.

OK. I can accept that, but not for myself.

There are things you'd seen discussed in the context of climate change, like a "tipping point" or threshold time-horizon. That's why they call some events and episodes "urgent" in their occurrence or likely though uncertain outcomes.

I've personally come to the judgment that he shouldn't succeed at much of anything, because he's a bad example for history, for children and for human progress. Any confusion about that will also waste time in solving real problems of the nation and the world.

I admit that I don't "know" for sure, but I already see about 350+ families of former Carrier employees who've spent bucks on a regular holiday, and now find they were totally blindsided. That's just one "known outcome." Is it an indicator? Does it portend? Does it reveal?

Certainly.

 

[Kazukian]

Ok, there have been a lot or stupid posts, but this is by far the most moronic.

OP, put on your Underoos and suck it up. You just said the death of 6 million Jews was less important than a POTUS election.

Good fucking Christ, are you that stupid?

 

[repoman0]

OP, put on your Underoos and suck it up. You just said the death of 6 million Jews was less important than a POTUS election.

In your rush to say something edgy and relevant, you missed the part where the thread specifically is referring to US history.

 

[Muse]

hahaha, another triggered lefty

Bottom line is that yes, we have a lousy president, but an even worse disaster was averted.

You bought that line of hooey? Sucker.

I have to assume this is a sarcastic post?

I can't even conceive how you imagine that. Is that a sufficient answer?

 

[Muse]

This was a great disaster because the American electorate now officially no longer cares about the truth. The implications of this for the future are staggering. It goes way beyond the specific impact of a Trump presidency. We have a president-elect who brazenly lies to the American public on a daily basis, and practically no one even cares. If the American people can disregard such serial lying on the part of a candidate and elected POTUS, then we can be convinced of anything.

I'm afraid the internet has undermined the foundations of democracy. Welcome to online America circa 2016, where facts are like a commodity that we pick and choose based on preference. Don't like what you're reading on the news? Go read fake news instead if it tells you what you want to hear. It's literally one click away. And it doesn't matter who it comes from. Even a hostile foreign power can manipulate the perceptions of Americans. This is how credulous we have become as a result of virulent partisanship. Literally anything is now possible.

Well put. It is this that worries me.

 

[Kazukian]

In your rush to say something edgy and relevant, you missed the part where the thread specifically is referring to US history.

You-all are fools and idiots.

There have been some moronic posts lately, but this one is by far the dumbest.

If you really feel this way, OP, then you have an obligation to act.

 

[Muse]

The first is obvious, the latter in serious doubt.

Yeah, sure. You have evidence for that in the OP? I think you are typical of the new American dismissal mentality. I therefore dismiss your opinion, it's not worth the paper it was written on (i.e. none).

 

[Muse]

Ok, there have been a lot or stupid posts, but this is by far the most moronic.

OP, put on your Underoos and suck it up. You just said the death of 6 million Jews was less important than a POTUS election.

Good fucking Christ, are you that stupid?

Please be respectful, the absence of respect is quite symptomatic of our downfall.

Specific to your condemnation of the OP concerning my saying WW II isn't the greatest disaster in American history:

The death of 6 million Jews was a catastrophe of unprecedented scope and remains so. However, it wasn't America specific. In fact, very arguably the USA could have done much more to prevent that loss of life.

The election of our current POTUS-to be is fairly America specific. WW II was extremely traumatic, however WW II was arguably not a disaster all in all for America. After it was over, the USA was very arguably the most powerful nation on earth. That was the aftermath of WW II for America.

 

[Kazukian]

Please be respectful, the absence of respect is quite symptomatic of our downfall.

Specific to your condemnation of the OP:

Well, the death of 6 million Jews was a catastrophe of unprecedented scope and remains so. However, it wasn't America specific. The election of our current POTUS-to be is fairly America specific. WW II was extremely traumatic, however WW II was arguably not a disaster all in all for America. After it was over, the USA was very arguably the most powerful nation on earth. That was the aftermath of WW II for America.

You're an idiot.

 

[repoman0]

I'm afraid the internet has undermined the foundations of democracy. Welcome to online America circa 2016, where facts are like a commodity that we pick and choose based on preference. Don't like what you're reading on the news? Go read fake news instead if it tells you what you want to hear. It's literally one click away. And it doesn't matter who it comes from. Even a hostile foreign power can manipulate the perceptions of Americans. This is how credulous we have become as a result of virulent partisanship. Literally anything is now possible.

This says a lot more about how and who people really are than the internet itself. Close to the entirety of all human knowledge is available to anyone who chooses to look for it and we can communicate and form groups with anyone anywhere in the world. Instead of that leading to cooperation and progressively coming up with better and better ideas, it has led to pointless iphone games, youtube comments, and the most divided politics since anyone currently alive can remember. Not to mention almost everyone on the internet acts like an uncivilized ass with zero attention span.

You-all are fools and idiots.

Do you feel better now that you've shit on the lawn with this mind blowing contribution?

 

[Kazukian]

This thread is a fucking embarrassment.

Butt hurt fucking children.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Naw, it's pure freaking comedy!! In the past month this forum has been great source of humor.

 

[Kazukian]

Naw, it's pure freaking comedy!! In the past month this forum has been great source of humor.

They're fucking serious, we've become a nation of fucking self entitled children.

Muse, if I could time travel, I'd drag your ass to a foxhole on a battlefield or into the WTC 1 minute before the first plane hit.

You should be fucking ashamed for ignoring the sacrifices of your fellow human beings.

 

[dank69]

The internet exposed the truth. We got glimpses into the inner workings of the DNC and Hillarys inner circle and the voting public is better for it. Blame the ruskies or whoever you want, but all that happened was real emails were laid bare. Is that a bad thing?

Still waiting for one of you gullible pricks to source even a single email that shows what Hillary or the DNC did wrong.

 

[sportage]

Take a snapshot of the news cycle at any given point since November 8th.
Take today for example, right now this hour.
Reports from John Bolton that Obama was behind the pre-election cyber hacks.
Reports from Harry Reid that FBI Comey was responsible for Trump's victory and cost the democrats the senate.
Reports of Trump's picks such as the CEO of EXXON, and a climate denier to head of the EPA, Goldman Sachs Steven Mnuchin for treasury secretary, and so on and so on...

My point?
Just envision ingratiation day come January 20th 2017.
Want to talk about protests?
Unrest?
Violence in the streets?
Mass outrage from the people?
Oh boy Oh boy Oh boy .....
January 20th will be as FDR once said, "A Date Which Will Live in Infamy".

Infamy:
1. Very bad reputation; notoriety: achieved infamy as the central figure in the scandal.
2. The condition of being infamous; disgrace: a name that will live in infamy.
3. An evil or criminal act that is publicly known.
4. extremely bad reputation, public reproach, or strong condemnation as the result of a shameful, criminal, or outrageous act: a time that will live in infamy.
5. infamous character or conduct.
6. an infamous act or circumstance.
7. Law. loss of rights, incurred by conviction of an infamous offense.

(syn: See disgrace)