Grass-fed "free-range" beef cattle worse for the environment and no healthier?

[Siddhartha]

I can see free range cattle tasting different from those who were corn fed. Healthy or friendlier to the environment? I doubt it.

 

[Hacp]

Are you retarded? One tenth of the lifespan means the accumulation is almost zero, it's irrelevant for any long term prognosis you daft fuck.

Stop posting things and reading things you obviously don't have the capacity to understand.

The very problem with CO2 is the accumulation of it in our athmosphere, which means that it's built up over a long period of time, methane isn't and less methane get into our athmosphere simply because of that, the level that does is negligable.

You can ask any real scientist in the field of molecular chemistry who is not involved how that works for an unbiased answer.

Nope.

 

[Red Dawn]

Who the fuck cares about how the cows feel? I just want a nice tasty slab of steak for the cheapest price possible. GIMME MY STEAK! For cheap.

Better yet, just eat your roomates food.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Nope.

Such a detailed and convincing critique; have you ever considered a career in communications?

 

[manimal]

Such a detailed and convincing critique; have you ever considered a career in communications?

dumb silent type also plays well in certain markets...

 

[ichy]

This, while Stossel brought in two of the most inarticulate organic food representatives I had ever seen. They couldn't string a single thought together in their defense. They sounded like they had the same pathetic I.Q. as that of Alvin Green, combined.

That sounds like typical Stossel, more showmanship than rational presentation of facts.

 

[nick1985]

That sounds like typical Stossel, more showmanship than rational presentation of facts.

You obviously didn't watch it. He showed chart after chart that refuted what the organic food cheerleaders were saying. He had plenty of facts. You just dont want to think he did because it goes against what you think.

 

[nick1985]

Oh, and organic food and global warming....both scams.

 

[feralkid]

Yep. Looks like yet another food fad bites the dust...

This is the way cattle have been raised by humans for centuries.

Yet you refer to it as a "Fad".


/facepalm

 

[spidey07]

You obviously didn't watch it. He showed chart after chart that refuted what the organic food cheerleaders were saying. He had plenty of facts. You just dont want to think he did because it goes against what you feel.

Fixed. The entire organic/free range scam is all about feelings and nothing to do with science like all liberal mindsets.

 

[feralkid]

true. but i don't consider meat that is packed and shipped is "aged".

There are different methods, but:

All beef is "aged".

After death, the meat goes into rigor mortis and has to age to some degree before the muscle fibers can relax and soften enough.

 

[Amused]

This is the way cattle have been raised by humans for centuries.

Yet you refer to it as a "Fad".


/facepalm

Yes, it was. Until people prefered fatter grain fed cattle over tougher, leaner, less tasty grass fed. Now the new fad is the old passe. Go figure.

May as well go back to using candles for light.

 

[JSt0rm]

Oh, and organic food and global warming....both scams.

How can you be this stupid. I bet you have never even eaten high quality produce from a high end farm let alone be able to make a blanket statement like that.

I mean seriously. Do you realize how much high end food exists on this planet you havent even heard of. What you should be thinking about is how to experience all of these wonderful things.

 

[JSt0rm]

There are different methods, but:

All beef is "aged".

After death, the meat goes into rigor mortis and has to age to some degree before the muscle fibers can relax and soften enough.

What you are referring to is wet aging. This is done for the reason you mention but dry aging is done after this fact. The main idea behind dry aging is to remove excess moisture from the meat. This increases the flavor of the meat. I would dare say it becomes more earthy and nutty in flavor after a dry aging.

 

[nick1985]

How can you be this stupid.

I like how you immediately label those who disagree with you as stupid.

I bet you have never even eaten high quality produce from a high end farm let alone be able to make a blanket statement like that.

Yeah, never in my life.

I mean seriously. Do you realize how much high end food exists on this planet you havent even heard of. What you should be thinking about is how to experience all of these wonderful things.

What are you talking about? Maybe I should just call you a fucking dumbass and move on, seems its what you would do when someone has an opinion that differs from your own. I thought you lefties were supposed to be tolerant of other views?

 

[Amused]

How can you be this stupid. I bet you have never even eaten high quality produce from a high end farm let alone be able to make a blanket statement like that.

I mean seriously. Do you realize how much high end food exists on this planet you havent even heard of. What you should be thinking about is how to experience all of these wonderful things.

There is a VAST difference between "organic" and high end boutique foods. Yes, many of the first "organic" labeled foods were produced by high end boutique food producers, however, they are NOT one and the same.

The stupidity is yours. You confuse "organic" with low volume, high quality boutque foods.

 

[JSt0rm]

There is a VAST difference between "organic" and high end boutique foods. Yes, many of the first "organic" labeled foods were produced by high end boutique food producers, however, they are NOT one and the same.

The stupidity is yours. You confuse "organic" with low volume, high quality boutque foods.

The simplest test for organic vs non organic are strawberries. Go try it.

 

[JSt0rm]

I thought you lefties were supposed to be tolerant of other views?

Tolerant of a black and white opinion? Dont make blanket 100% this is the way statements and I wont call you out on them.

 

[spidey07]

The simplest test for organic vs non organic are strawberries. Go try it.

I grow my own strawberries. There is no difference between organic and non. They are heavy feeders so any fertilizer will provide the necessary nutrients no matter the source. What you're talking about is picking them when they are done properly and all red in the center instead of white. Great for tastes, not so great for any kind of transportation as they are very soft. That has to do with when they are picked, nothing to do with the organic scam.

 

[JSt0rm]

I grow my own strawberries. There is no difference between organic and non. They are heavy feeders so any fertilizer will provide the necessary nutrients no matter the source. What you're talking about is picking them when they are done properly and all red in the center instead of white. Great for tastes, not so great for any kind of transportation as they are very soft. That has to do with when they are picked, nothing to do with the organic scam.

I disagree. A good locally grown organic strawberry will not be as large and as mis-shapen as a store bought strawberry. I dont know what the process is to make these strawberries but it is not what a good natural strawberry is like.

 

[JSt0rm]

are you guys referring to USDA:Organic when you talk about organics being a shame? If you are I tend to agree with this. The big aggro corporations lobbied for this set of standards so they could ramp up production. The real organic producers (the mom and pop ones) were resistant to this classification (back around 2000)

 

[ichy]

You obviously didn't watch it. He showed chart after chart that refuted what the organic food cheerleaders were saying. He had plenty of facts. You just dont want to think he did because it goes against what you think.

No, I didn't watch this particular show but I've seen Stossel in the past. I agree with a decent amount of what he says, but I've never been particularly impressed with how he presents his arguments. Lots of anecdotes and stories, very little balance.

 

[nick1985]

No, I didn't watch this particular show

I could tell based on your misrepresentation of his facts. I think you should check out the episode, he makes a compelling argument.

 

[spidey07]

I disagree. A good locally grown organic strawberry will not be as large and as mis-shapen as a store bought strawberry. I dont know what the process is to make these strawberries but it is not what a good natural strawberry is like.

Your missing the point and confusing "good food" with organic. Small locally grown stuff will almost always taste better because it's a smaller operation and the crops get a lot of care and things are picked at their ripest because they don't have to travel far. That's why they taste better, nothing to do with organic and most local stuff doesn't like organic because it costs more and isn't as effective. They will however call it organic and charge you more and the monster cable effect comes into play and folks say how much better it must be because it's more expensive!

The only organic thing I use in my garden is BT, not because it's organic, but because it works remarkably well but DAMN it's expensive. Same with organic fertilizers and pretty much everything else organic means way expensive/ripoff.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Hard to trust anything, due to the propaganda and influence of Big Grass Farmers who depend on all those subsidies!

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