Grass-fed "free-range" beef cattle worse for the environment and no healthier?

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Yep. Looks like yet another food fad bites the dust...

JOHN STOSSEL: Busting Another Food Myth
By John Stossel

Published November 18, 2010

It's not what we don't know that causes us trouble. It's what we know that isn't so. Whichever famous writer said that (it's been attributed to many), what he said carries truth.

What are some of the things we know that aren't so? Here's one: Grass-fed "free-range" beef cattle are better for the environment -- and for you -- than factory-farmed corn-fed cattle. It does seem to make sense that the steer raised in the more "natural" environment would be better for the world.

Michael Pollan, the prolific food author and activist, wrote in The New York Times that "what was once a solar-powered ruminant [a grass-fed steer] [has been turned] into the very last thing we need: another fossil-fuel machine." How so? Farmers burn fossil fuels to ship corn to feed cows instead of letting them eat what's naturally under their feet.

Restaurants serving burgers supposedly made from grass-fed beef self-servingly claim their foods are healthier for the planet. The American Grassfed Association -- surprise, surprise -- says its cattle are better for the environment because harmony is created between the land and the animals.

People believe. -- Nobody likes the idea of cattle jammed into feed lots.

When we asked people, in preparing this week's Fox Business show, which kind of cattle were better, we got the expected answers:

"Free roaming."

"Cows should be outside."

"Free-roaming grass-fed cows, because you've got happy cows.

"They've lived a happy life out in sunshine."

It's logical to think that grass-fed steers might be better for the environment, but so often, what sounds logical is just wrong.

Don't believe me?. Dr. Jude Capper, an assistant professor of dairy sciences at Washington State University, has studied the data.

Capper said: "There's a perception out there that grass- fed animals are frolicking in the sunshine, kicking their heels up full of joy and pleasure. What we actually found was from the land-use basis, from the energy, from water, and, particularly, based on the carbon footprints, grass-fed is far worse than corn-fed."

How can that be?

"Simply because they have a far lower efficiency, far lower productivity. The animals take 23 months to grow. (Corn-fed cattle need only 15.) That's extra eight extra months of feed, of water, land use, obviously, and also an awful lot of waste. If we have a grass-fed animal, compared to a corn-fed animal, that's like adding almost one car to the road for every single animal. That's a huge increase in carbon footprints."


Once again, modern technology saves money and is better for the earth. By stuffing the feed-lot animals with corn, farmers get them to grow faster. Therefore they can slaughter them sooner, which is better for the earth than letting them live longer and do all the environmentally damaging things natural cows do while they are alive.

"Absolutely right," Capper said. "Every single day, they need feed, they need water, and they give off methane nitrous oxide -- very potent greenhouse gases that do damage."

But what about damage to people? Some advocates of grass-fed beef claim that the more naturally raised animals are healthier to eat.

"There is absolutely no scientific evidence based on that.

Absolutely none," she replied. "There is some very slight difference in fatty acids, for example, but they are so minor that they don't make any significant human health impact."

But what about those hormones the cows are given? Surely that cannot be good for us.

"What we have to remember is every food we eat -- whether it's tofu, whether it's beef, whether it's apples -- they all contain hormones. There's nothing, apart from salts, that doesn't have some kind of hormone in them."

So the next time you reach for that package of beef in the grocery store tagged with all the latest grass-fed, free-range lingo, remember: Not only does it often cost twice as much, but there's no evidence it's better for the environment or better for you.

It's just another food myth.

John Stossel is host of "Stossel" on the Fox Business Network. He's the author of "Give Me a Break" and of "Myth, Lies, and Downright Stupidity." To find out more about John Stossel, visit his site at johnstossel.com.
 

Modelworks

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I lost any belief in organic labeling or grass fed labeled meat when I read the regulations governing it. It only requires no hormones, shots, be used in the last 6 months before slaughtering and the animal be grass fed for that time. You can drug them, feed them supplements or anything else prior to that.

Here farmers do have grass fed beef, but it is their own personal meat supply. They put about 8-10 cows out in a pasture and split the cost between friends when they are slaughtered.
 

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I will go with the premise that a happy steer is a healthier steer.
Grazing and walking around rather than being penned up.
 

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I will go with the premise that a happy steer is a healthier steer.
Grazing and walking around rather than being penned up.

That, and more movement / activity probably changes the composition of hormones and such as well. No, grass-fed and free-range isn't the wonderful perfect thing, but given the choice I'd still take it over the alternative. If nothing else, it's kinder to the animals.
 

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"Simply because they have a far lower efficiency, far lower productivity. The animals take 23 months to grow. (Corn-fed cattle need only 15.) That's extra eight extra months of feed, of water, land use, obviously, and also an awful lot of waste. If we have a grass-fed animal, compared to a corn-fed animal, that's like adding almost one car to the road for every single animal. That's a huge increase in carbon footprints."
That's silly.

How much water was used to grow the corn being used for feed? How much time and energy was expended to pick, process, and transport the corn?
 

*kjm

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You guys do realize that most farmers only bring them into the barn to feed them and water them right? Actually they don't even bring them in... When the machinery used to feed them is turned on they run for the barn. The barn door is left open all day long unless the temps drop into a danger zone.
 

spidey07

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I prefer wagyu beef. Walking around burns the fat.

Agreed. You don't want that cow moving around. Toughens the meat and burns the fat. Fat = flavor. And veal is the ultimate IMHO.

They were put on this earth for us to eat, as such we need to make them as tasty as possible.
 

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The Anti-Science crowd has been trying to push back advancements in agriculture for years with inefficient (for the most part) locally grown produce, organic, anti-GMO, free range, etc. initiatives.

Here is what "free range" gives you:
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4047
According to the US Department of Agriculture, free range chickens are simply those which have access to the outdoors.
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Often it means little more than a window, and that's perfectly legal.

Here is what Organic Farming gives you:
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019
organic foods make up about 1&#37; of all the food sold in the United States, but it accounts for 8% of E. coli cases.

Here is an example of what "Locally Grown" does for the environment:
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4162
Lamb raised on New Zealand's clover-choked pastures and shipped 11,000 miles by boat to Britain produced 1,520 pounds of carbon dioxide emissions per ton while British lamb produced 6,280 pounds of carbon dioxide per ton, in part because poorer British pastures force farmers to use feed. In other words, it is four times more energy-efficient for Londoners to buy lamb imported from the other side of the world than to buy it from a producer in their backyard.
 

JS80

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That's silly.

How much water was used to grow the corn being used for feed? How much time and energy was expended to pick, process, and transport the corn?

It takes a lot less resources to grow and transport corn than keep a cow alive 50% longer than it has to.
 

her209

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It takes a lot less resources to grow and transport corn than keep a cow alive 50% longer than it has to.
Unless the farmer is laying down sod or watering the pasture where the cows graze, I'm not seeing it.
 

*kjm

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Unless the farmer is laying down sod or watering the pasture where the cows graze, I'm not seeing it.

Most of the farms around here us a cheap sorce called rain for their corn and hay????
 

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Half the point of this type of beef is to try to provide the cow itself a healthier, "happier" life than not... Ask people around you why they would rather have cows be treated this way. I'm guessing not a lot of them are going to say because the meat tastes better, or because it is better for the earth. They will say its for the sake of the animals.
 

her209

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Most of the farms around here us a cheap sorce called rain for their corn and hay????
That was my point. Grass and water (in the amount needed to grow grass) is free. You need a lot of water to grow corn.
 

*kjm

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Half the point of this type of beef is to try to provide the cow itself a healthier, "happier" life than not... Ask people around you why they would rather have cows be treated this way. I'm guessing not a lot of them are going to say because the meat tastes better, or because it is better for the earth. They will say its for the sake of the animals.


And how many of them have been on a farm before to know what the heck they are talking about? I'm talking about family farms not corporate farms.
 

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That was my point. Grass and water (in the amount needed to grow grass) is free. You need a lot of water to grow corn.

hmm i would think that the amount of land needed for the cow to eat/drink etc would be far larger then what it would take to grow the corn.

every cow pasture i see has little to no grass very quickly.
 

*kjm

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That was my point. Grass and water (in the amount needed to grow grass) is free.


My point was most of the corn/hey fields also don't use anything besides rain. The only time I've seen any irrigation was on vegetables grown by big business for human consumption.
 

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I don't eat grass feed beef cuz it's healther, I eat it cuz it's delicious.
 

*kjm

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hmm i would think that the amount of land needed for the cow to eat/drink etc would be far larger then what it would take to grow the corn.

every cow pasture i see has little to no grass very quickly.

You are so right...... but then again we are from the same part of the world (WI here). Things may be different out west. Then again that’s why they are free range out there. I'll tell you what though I will take a corn/alfalfa fed beef over a free range any day!
 

trenchfoot

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The data being presented is interesting to note. Not too convincing in my mind, especially the part about "having hormones in everything we eat". That weak and dismissive argument right there indicated to me several things, most of which has to do with an industry agenda being promoted on Fox.

Imo, the data being presented is not being broadcast as a public service, but instead is being used to increase profits for the corn growers and the pen-grown cattle "ranchers".

Therefore all of the data being presented is suspect.
 
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Linflas

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I will go with the premise that a happy steer is a healthier steer.
Grazing and walking around rather than being penned up.

This. If nothing else it seems to be a more humane way to raise an animal ultimately destined for the slaughterhouse. That is really the only benefit I am looking for.
 

Modelworks

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hmm i would think that the amount of land needed for the cow to eat/drink etc would be far larger then what it would take to grow the corn.

every cow pasture i see has little to no grass very quickly.

The farmers here are pretty smart. They work out of a co-op. One farmer grows corn that is traded to the farmers that grow beef. Other farmers grow hay and trade it the same way. Cows cannot live off just a pasture unless it is a huge pasture or low amount of cows. They eat too much and most of the places here that raise cows have them in corrals that are dirt with little grass.
cows will eat about 2-2.5&#37; of their body weight in dry matter (take all the water out) grass if that is all that they consume.

Lets use an example:

1000 lb cow x 2.5% = 25 lbs of Dry Matter

25 lbs of dry matter / 15% dry matter in grass = 167 lbs of grass per day

Grass is about 85% water - thus use 100-85=15%

There are several factors that affect this amount. As you can see by the equation, the biggest factor affecting intake is body weight. Also how much moisture is in the feed. Animals eat dry matter, water does not count.
 
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