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Graner gets 10 years for Abu Ghraib

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Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: inphlict
Dgevert you got your facts all wrong, there was no torture. He did not rip people fingers off or cut their ears off.

Think about it, all they did was get a bunch of criminals/terrorists (resistance fighters what you may prefer 😛) and they stripped them naked and made some humiliating photos. Tell me pls how that is torture.

If they are terrorists then it should be our right to abuse them, simply because they want to do harm to us. Ofcourse we only need to do it in extreme cases like getting info and what not.

Let me ask you why did he stack these people up then? for fun? If you consider that sh!t fun it's not prison but a mental institution you need to attend.

would have been to difficult to try and stack them in the shape of a circle, bullseye

?
 
Originally posted by: biostud
because he represent the US army and has a trusted job, when you fvck up so badly and do so much damage to the reputation of the army, making it far more easy to recruit new terrorists to fight you should be punished.

it isn't like he was the first. they were just stupid enough to record it
 
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: biostud
because he represent the US army and has a trusted job, when you fvck up so badly and do so much damage to the reputation of the army, making it far more easy to recruit new terrorists to fight you should be punished.

it isn't like he was the first. they were just stupid enough to record it

A scapegoat was needed, and he just voluntered with this kind of stupidity.
 
Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: biostud
because he represent the US army and has a trusted job, when you fvck up so badly and do so much damage to the reputation of the army, making it far more easy to recruit new terrorists to fight you should be punished.

it isn't like he was the first. they were just stupid enough to record it

A scapegoat was needed, and he just voluntered with this kind of stupidity.

well, it wasnt like any higher up was ever going to get caught. it doesn't work that way. those folks who got caught were on their own
 
Originally posted by: inphlict
dgevert: You really don't know what your talking about so please refrain from speaking. First of all, he didn't do anything but humiliate a bunch of sinners anyway. And 10 years? Give him some community service or something, 10 years is just a waste of the mans time.

"The Geneva Conventions is what makes us better than the terrorists" A bunch of communist talk right here.. lol you made my day.

I believe it is you who needs to STFU. He was convicted of "10 charges, including aggravated assault, maltreatment and conspiracy." I think I'll go out on a limb and believe the courts before a snot-nosed little wart like yourself. Hell, boy, Graner himself says that what he did was "criminal".
 
Here's the real kicker...

Abu Ghraib abuse firms are rewarded

As prison ringleader awaits sentence, defence contractors win multi-million Pentagon contracts

Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
Sunday January 16, 2005
The Observer

Two US defence contractors being sued over allegations of abuse at Abu Ghraib prison have been awarded valuable new contracts by the Pentagon, despite demands that they should be barred from any new government work.

Three employees of CACI International and Titan - working at Abu Ghraib as civilian contractors - were separately accused of abusive behaviour.

The report on the Abu Ghraib scandal implicated three civilian contractors in the abuses: Steven Stefanowicz from CACI International and John Israel and Adel Nakhla from Titan.

Stefanowicz was charged with giving orders that 'equated to physical abuse', Israel of lying under oath and Naklha of raping an Iraqi boy.

It was also alleged that CACI interrogators used dogs to scare prisoners, placed detainees in unauthorised 'stress positions' and encouraged soldiers to abuse prisoners. Titan employees, it has been alleged, hit detainees and stood by while soldiers physically abused prisoners.

Investigators also discovered systemic problems of management and training - including the fact that a third of CACI International's staff at Abu Ghraib had never received formal military interrogation training.

Despite demands by human rights groups in the US that the two companies be barred from further contracts in Iraq - where CACI alone employed almost half of all interrogators and analysts at Abu Ghraib - CACI International has been awarded a $16 million renewal of its contract. Titan, meanwhile, has been awarded a new contract worth $164m.

Despite the allegations in the internal US army report, the two companies have described the claims against them 'baseless' and as 'a malicious recitation of false statements and intentional distortions'.

The disclosure of the new contracts comes as Specialist Charles Graner - described as the ringleader in the group of soldiers leading the abuse of Iraqi prisoners - was found guilty on Friday after a court martial rejected his claim that he was only following orders.

Some of the most graphic evidence against Graner came from Hussein Mutar, an Iraqi who arrived at Abu Ghraib accused of car theft.

He testified how, after jumping on him, Graner and other guards ordered him to strip, masturbate and simulate oral sex, and then photographed him and led him back to a cell, which they had soaked with water, where he had to sleep naked. Graner is now awaiting a sentence of up to 15 years in jail.

The jury of 10 soldiers deliberated for five hours before convicting the reser-vist of assault, conspiracy, maltreatment of detainees, committing indecent acts and dereliction of duty, as well as one battery count.

However the controversy over abuse of detainees at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay is likely to be reignited later this month with the publication of The Torture Papers: The Legal Road to Abu Ghraib by Cambridge University Press, the first compendium of the so called 'torture memos' of the Bush administration.

Compiled from material already in the public domain and other material acquired under the US Freedom of Information Act, it documents the chilling progress in the Bush administration's legal advice that allowed it to redefine the meaning of torture so much that it felt able to use interrogation techniques that amounted to the most serious physical abuse.

In one memo, Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee advises the legal counsel to the president, Alberto Gonza les, that 'physical pain amounting to torture must be equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function or even death'.

He adds that actions by interrogators 'may be cruel, inhuman or degrading, but still not produce the pain and suffering of requisite intensity [to be torture]'.

In a new development, the New York Times revealed last week that Congressional leaders have scrapped fresh legal measures that would have imposed strict new restrictions on the use of extreme interrogation techniques by US intelligence interrogators.

The proposal - which emerged in the fall-out of the Abu Ghraib scandal and complaints over the treatment of internees at Guantanamo Bay - had been approved by the Senate by almost a unanimous vote.

It would have explicitly ensured that US intelligence officers were covered by the same prohibitions on the use of torture, and required the CIA and Pentagon to report to Congress on the techniques that they were using.

The issue of the CIA's treat ment of detainees first arose after agency officials sought legal guidance on how far its employees and contractors could go in interrogating suspects and whether the law barred the CIA from using extreme methods, including feigned drowning, in the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, the first of the al-Qaeda leaders captured by the US. He was apprehended in Pakistan in early 2002.

It was in response to this reply that Bybee gave his ruling defining the scope of torture, which was later swiftly revoked when it became public.

 
Originally posted by: inphlict
10 years!???..

What did he do again? Humiliate a bunch of TERRORISTS!! Think about what they did during 9/11 and never forget it.

I say the Geneva convention is a bunch of crap.

most of the people in Abu gareib where arrested for no reason, even the military acknowledges this. Thats why most of them were released with out being charged for anything.
 
Originally posted by: inphlict
Dgevert you got your facts all wrong, there was no torture. He did not rip people fingers off or cut their ears off.

Think about it, all they did was get a bunch of criminals/terrorists (resistance fighters what you may prefer 😛) and they stripped them naked and made some humiliating photos. Tell me pls how that is torture.

If they are terrorists then it should be our right to abuse them, simply because they want to do harm to us. Ofcourse we only need to do it in extreme cases like getting info and what not.

I'll agree to this as soon as you let me do this to you.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: inphlict
10 years!???..

What did he do again? Humiliate a bunch of TERRORISTS!! Think about what they did during 9/11 and never forget it.

I say the Geneva convention is a bunch of crap.

most of the people in Abu gareib where arrested for no reason, even the military acknowledges this. Thats why most of them were released with out being charged for anything.

But atleast they got some fun photos they can share and laugh at with their families 😕
 
inphlict's probably a troll leftwinger parody'n the conservatives

/can't bring myself to consider this dumass'ry serious
 
Originally posted by: illustri
inphlict's probably a troll leftwinger parody'n the conservatives

/can't bring myself to consider this dumass'ry serious

I've said it often it but it's hard to tell the difference between parodies of right-wing posters and real right-wing posters. Some of them say genuinely absurd things and are serious about it.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: illustri
inphlict's probably a troll leftwinger parody'n the conservatives

/can't bring myself to consider this dumass'ry serious

I've said it often it but it's hard to tell the difference between parodies of right-wing posters and real right-wing posters. Some of them say genuinely absurd things and are serious about it.

its you isn't it, you're him 🙂
 
Originally posted by: inphlict
10 years!???..

What did he do again? Humiliate a bunch of TERRORISTS!! Think about what they did during 9/11 and never forget it.

I say the Geneva convention is a bunch of crap.

What does this have to do with 9/11?

How are they terrorists? Were they tried and convicted as such? Or were they 'enemy combatants'? POWs?

Get your facts straight before you start spewing.
 
Originally posted by: joshw10
I'm going to have to guess he's a parody poster because each one seems to get more out there than the last

I agree, no one could be that out there Naturally.
 
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