Graner gets 10 years for Abu Ghraib

[Schrodinger]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/01...urt.martial/index.html

Edit: opinions and thoughts?

At first I thought 10 years was too much. But he has to be a scapegoat to show the mid-east that the US won't protect him and that what he did isn't their policy.

 

[inphlict]

10 years!???..

What did he do again? Humiliate a bunch of TERRORISTS!! Think about what they did during 9/11 and never forget it.

I say the Geneva convention is a bunch of crap.

 

[Infohawk]

Too much? Sounded like this guy was a sadist. If the purpose was to make him a scapegoat I don't think 10 years is enough to do that.

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: inphlict
10 years!???..

What did he do again? Humiliate a bunch of TERRORISTS!! Think about what they did during 9/11 and never forget it.

I say the Geneva convention is a bunch of crap.

Yes, because obviously we can commit evil acts as long as the people we're committing them on are considered 'evil' as well.

The Geneva Conventions is what makes us better than the terrorists. That you want to throw it away says a lot about you and your so-called morality.

 

[aswedc]

The middle east won't be satisfied no matter what happens. I think they should have given him three years or so.

 

[inphlict]

dgevert: You really don't know what your talking about so please refrain from speaking. First of all, he didn't do anything but humiliate a bunch of sinners anyway. And 10 years? Give him some community service or something, 10 years is just a waste of the mans time.

"The Geneva Conventions is what makes us better than the terrorists" A bunch of communist talk right here.. lol you made my day.

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: inphlict
dgevert: You really don't know what your talking about so please refrain from speaking. First of all, he didn't do anything but humiliate a bunch of sinners anyway. And 10 years? Give him some community service or something, 10 years is just a waste of the mans time.

"The Geneva Conventions is what makes us better than the terrorists" A bunch of communist talk right here.. lol you made my day.

I don't know what I'm talking about? I'm in the military for crying out loud. Do you have ANY clue how much training I had to sit through regarding LOAC - that's the "Law of Armed Conflict" to all the civilians out there, Rules of Engagement, and the Geneva Convention?

Telling military members that they don't know what they're talking about RE: the Geneva Convention. That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard all day.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Originally posted by: inphlict
10 years!???..

What did he do again? Humiliate a bunch of TERRORISTS!! Think about what they did during 9/11 and never forget it.

I say the Geneva convention is a bunch of crap.

The Iraqis that we put in Abu Graib weren't "Terrorists" until we invaded. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi and absolutely none were from Iraq.
At least get the facts straight before posting.

Q: Who were you before you were banned?

 

[inphlict]

Okay buddy, if the so called Geneva Conventions put an AMERICAN soldier in prision for 10 years, for simply humiliating a bunch of terrorists then what kind of convention is it? Ask yourself then talk.

 

[inphlict]

Abu prision was used as a place to drop of captured terrorists. Read something before you talk please.

 

[rickn]

I think he got to much time, but those are the breaks.

 

[dgevert]

Originally posted by: inphlict
Okay buddy, if the so called Geneva Conventions put an AMERICAN soldier in prision for 10 years, for simply humiliating a bunch of terrorists then what kind of convention is it? Ask yourself then talk.

For "simply humiliating a bunch of terrorists?" That's not what was done. What he did was TORTURE a fellow human being. This is the kind of thing EVIL people do.

American soldiers are no better than anyone else. We're not magically immune to committing evil acts because we are American. We're still human. If we commit a wrong, we are still punished. The Geneva Conventions didn't put him in prison for 10 years...the Uniform Code of Military Justice did that.'

Just because they were "terrorists" does not mean that it's okay to abuse them. Torture is not acceptable.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: inphlict
Abu prision was used as a place to drop of captured terrorists. Read something before you talk please.

it actually had a mix of both, but the area these guys worked in was suppose to be the hardcore criminals. .

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: dgevert

Originally posted by: inphlict
Okay buddy, if the so called Geneva Conventions put an AMERICAN soldier in prision for 10 years, for simply humiliating a bunch of terrorists then what kind of convention is it? Ask yourself then talk.

For "simply humiliating a bunch of terrorists?" That's not what was done. What he did was TORTURE a fellow human being. This is the kind of thing EVIL people do.

American soldiers are no better than anyone else. We're not magically immune to committing evil acts because we are American. We're still human. If we commit a wrong, we are still punished. The Geneva Conventions didn't put him in prison for 10 years...the Uniform Code of Military Justice did that.'

Just because they were "terrorists" does not mean that it's okay to abuse them. Torture is not acceptable.

The Next war america embraces we will "out-source" the torture to China

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Too much? Sounded like this guy was a sadist. If the purpose was to make him a scapegoat I don't think 10 years is enough to do that.

Ahhh...crime and punishment.

 

[inphlict]

Dgevert you got your facts all wrong, there was no torture. He did not rip people fingers off or cut their ears off.

Think about it, all they did was get a bunch of criminals/terrorists (resistance fighters what you may prefer ) and they stripped them naked and made some humiliating photos. Tell me pls how that is torture.

If they are terrorists then it should be our right to abuse them, simply because they want to do harm to us. Ofcourse we only need to do it in extreme cases like getting info and what not.

 

[RabidMongoose]

At first I thought 10 years was too much. But he has to be a scapegoat to show the mid-east that the US won't protect him and that what he did isn't their policy.

I agree. He should be punished, but it seems like it was the worst possible time for him to commit his crime. This is a show for the entire world and hopefully some other countries will start to seriously punish their own soldiers as well.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: dgevert

Originally posted by: inphlict
Okay buddy, if the so called Geneva Conventions put an AMERICAN soldier in prision for 10 years, for simply humiliating a bunch of terrorists then what kind of convention is it? Ask yourself then talk.

For "simply humiliating a bunch of terrorists?" That's not what was done. What he did was TORTURE a fellow human being. This is the kind of thing EVIL people do.

American soldiers are no better than anyone else. We're not magically immune to committing evil acts because we are American. We're still human. If we commit a wrong, we are still punished. The Geneva Conventions didn't put him in prison for 10 years...the Uniform Code of Military Justice did that.'

Just because they were "terrorists" does not mean that it's okay to abuse them. Torture is not acceptable.

The Next war america embraces we will "out-source" the torture to China

Why? Countries like Egypt already do a fine job for the stuff we won't do.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: inphlict
Dgevert you got your facts all wrong, there was no torture. He did not rip people fingers off or cut their ears off.

Think about it, all they did was get a bunch of criminals/terrorists (resistance fighters what you may prefer ) and they stripped them naked and made some humiliating photos. Tell me pls how that is torture.

If they are terrorists then it should be our right to abuse them, simply because they want to do harm to us. Ofcourse we only need to do it in extreme cases like getting info and what not.

yea, those terrorist criminals had each other sweaty cocks touching each other, and were forced to masturbate, I'm sure they're scarred for life :roll:

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: inphlict
Dgevert you got your facts all wrong, there was no torture. He did not rip people fingers off or cut their ears off.

Think about it, all they did was get a bunch of criminals/terrorists (resistance fighters what you may prefer ) and they stripped them naked and made some humiliating photos. Tell me pls how that is torture.

If they are terrorists then it should be our right to abuse them, simply because they want to do harm to us. Ofcourse we only need to do it in extreme cases like getting info and what not.

Let me ask you why did he stack these people up then? for fun? If you consider that sh!t fun it's not prison but a mental institution you need to attend.

 

[inphlict]

That's nothing that bad anyway, they probally do it already. And I hear masturbating is quite good for you.

 

[inphlict]

biostud: I don't know why but 10 years for that? Please dude.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: inphlict
Dgevert you got your facts all wrong, there was no torture. He did not rip people fingers off or cut their ears off.

Think about it, all they did was get a bunch of criminals/terrorists (resistance fighters what you may prefer ) and they stripped them naked and made some humiliating photos. Tell me pls how that is torture.

If they are terrorists then it should be our right to abuse them, simply because they want to do harm to us. Ofcourse we only need to do it in extreme cases like getting info and what not.

Let me ask you why did he stack these people up then? for fun? If you consider that sh!t fun it's not prison but a mental institution you need to attend.

would have been to difficult to try and stack them in the shape of a circle, bullseye

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: inphlict
Dgevert you got your facts all wrong, there was no torture. He did not rip people fingers off or cut their ears off.

Think about it, all they did was get a bunch of criminals/terrorists (resistance fighters what you may prefer ) and they stripped them naked and made some humiliating photos. Tell me pls how that is torture.

If they are terrorists then it should be our right to abuse them, simply because they want to do harm to us. Ofcourse we only need to do it in extreme cases like getting info and what not.

what would Jesus have done to them?

 

[biostud]

because he represent the US army and has a trusted job, when you fvck up so badly and do so much damage to the reputation of the army, making it far more easy to recruit new terrorists to fight you should be punished.