Grandmars 6600GT(128MB)(AGP) OR Saphire X1600 Pro (512MB) (AGP)

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OneOne

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I have finally managed to find some AGP video cards. There are 2 choices in front of me:

1) Saphire X1600 Pro 512MB ~ $143.99
2) GrandMars 6600GT 128MB ~ $138.89

I heard from reviews that the X1600 Pro is almost equal in performance with 6600GT. Can you comment on this?

I have never played around with Raedon cards before. All I have heard about is that Raedon is of much better image quality than nVidia. Also, the 512MB of DDR3 RAM of the Raedon card is an attractive offer gien the 2 cards differ only by $8 in price.

The game I play mostly is Battlefield 2, SWAT 4 and F.E.A.R. I also hope that the new card will enable me to play the above games with better frame rates. Also, which card is better for games like FarCry and Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter?

I will not overclock cards.

Which one should I buy? Please give me your advise, greatly appreciate your opinions. Thanks!
 
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akshayt

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as far as the memory, I doubt whether these cards can make use of anything over 256mb, these cards can't use 256mb fully imo.
If 6600GT and that are equal performers then let me tell you that there is not much diff if at all in performance between 128mb GT and 256mb GT.
But there is a games Fable Lost Chapters which by default may remove the option of shadows(or was it soft shadows) in 128mb, then there is/are/maybe games like GRAW,maybe Fable as well which may not let you go to high or maybe med with 128mb
 
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OneOne

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I mainly play Battlefield 2. If I go for 6600GT, will I be able to play Battlefield 2 at High settings?
 
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hans030390

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The x1600 pro is actually known to perform worse than a 6600gt in most cases. Not by a whole lot...but enough to make the 6600gt a better choice. The x1600 pro won't use the 512mb very well.

You won't get the highest settings in BF2 with a 6600gt, but you'll likely get worse on a x1600 pro.

So just get a 6600gt. Though, who is Grandmars?
 
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OneOne

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Originally posted by: hans030390
The x1600 pro is actually known to perform worse than a 6600gt in most cases. Not by a whole lot...but enough to make the 6600gt a better choice. The x1600 pro won't use the 512mb very well.

You won't get the highest settings in BF2 with a 6600gt, but you'll likely get worse on a x1600 pro.

So just get a 6600gt. Though, who is Grandmars?
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I notice that you are using Leadtek 6600GT. How does it perform in Battlefield 2? Does it run stable with High setting with good frame rates in Battlefield 2?

 
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luigionlsd

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6600 GT ftw. One of my idiot friends thought he'd be all badass and buy the X1600 just because it had 512 MBs of memory. Then we showed him benchmarks and made him feel like an ass that a 128 MB (because he thinks VRAM means so much) 6600 GT pwned the X1600. 6600 GT all the way... plus you get shader model 3!
 
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Kromis

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Originally posted by: OneOne
I mainly play Battlefield 2. If I go for 6600GT, will I be able to play Battlefield 2 at High settings?
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Yes but don't expect to play at 1280x1028. 1024x768 is alright.
 
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Originally posted by: luigionlsd
6600 GT ftw. One of my idiot friends thought he'd be all badass and buy the X1600 just because it had 512 MBs of memory. Then we showed him benchmarks and made him feel like an ass that a 128 MB (because he thinks VRAM means so much) 6600 GT pwned the X1600. 6600 GT all the way... plus you get shader model 3!
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the x1600 is SM3 also :Q
 
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OneOne

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Kromas:

I used to play at 800x600 on Medium with my Leadtek 5900XT (128MB) before it got zapped out.

I just returned from a retail outlet and found XFX 6600GT (AGP version)! I consider myself quite lucky. But waht worries me is what say on the box. It says at least 470W power supply is required. O my God! Does it mean that without 470W PSU I will ot be able to get this beautiful monster going?

The price is only $140.00 Is it a good buy. I do not intend to run the card at overclock rates I will use it at its raw rate. Also I got a discounted XFX 6800GT which is pretty much the same price. Now this is becoming a difficult decision.

I know that 6800GT is 256bits architecture compared to 6600GT 128bits. Does it mean 6800GT is faster than 6600GT if I run them at raw mode (i.e. without overclocking).
 
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theprodigalrebel

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The 6800GT is significantly faster than the 6600GT, no doubt. Not just the memory interface and clocks but it also has TWICE the pixel pipes.

Just so you know, the 6800GS performs identically to the 6800GT so if you see one of those at a decent price, don't get confused. The 6800GS has 12 pixelpipes vs. the 6800GT's 16, but it seems to compensate for it with a higher clock on the core. (425MHz vs. 350 MHz).

If your budget is strapped, get the 6600GT, or find a significantly cheaper X1600Pro with less memory.
 
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Sc4freak

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Grandmars, if I'm not mistaken, is a brand available in asia.

And the memory on the 6800XT is a lot faster, but the core is also a lot slower. I'm not sure it would necessarily outperform the 6600GT.
 
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unfalliblekrutch

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Originally posted by: killuminati
this XFX Overclocked 6800XT will be fast then the 6600GT : ( $142 )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150157

well it is overclocked to speeds of the 6800GT which will definately perform better then 6600GT , even though both have the same number of Pixelpipelines .
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Isn't the 6600gt clocked higher than that with the same number of pipes? The only advantage with that 6800xt is it's 256bit memory
 
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OneOne

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Many thanks for your swift replies. You said the clock of the 6800XT is higher which accounts for the better performance. This, I do not quite understand, because according to the specification, the 6800XT is clocked at 300MHz which is lower than 6600GT's 500MHz. Is it primaritly due to the extra pipe lines?

You have given me the confidence to go for the 6800XT. I just want to know why 6600GT and 6800XT are priced the same?!

Do you think I can run Battlefield 2 at 1024x768 on High settings with 6800XT?

P.S. In order to prolong the life span of the card, I do not intend to overclock the card. My broken Leadtek 5900XT has never been overclocked, it has been zapped out 2 and half weeks agao after 1 year and 9 months in service.

By the way, my CPU is "legacy" AthlonXP 2200+ which is 1.8GHz. Would 6800XT go well with this CPU or I need to up the CPU's clock to cope with the card?


Thanks for your valuable advices in advance.
 
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imported_killuminati

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well the only review of the 6800XT i could find on the net , is the pre-Overlclocked one from Galaxy which has Core Clock of 425Mhz .

cant find any review on the XFX one though .

btw the XFX 6800XT os overclocked to 350Mhz Core and 1000Mhz Memory .

this one the advantage of the GDDR3 Memory and the 256-bit Interface .

according to some Overclockers , the Locked 8 pixelpipelines can be Unlocked , but not sure on this one . the Evga one can be unlocked .

well ur CPU is a bottleneck , and if u dont attend to overclock then 6600gt will do fine .

and for the 6600gt get the leadtek one for $129 :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122206

my friend had this one , i was able to overclock the Core from 500Mhz to 576Mhz , and Memory from 900Mhz to 1160Mhz .
keeping the overclocking aside , this one is a very stable 6600gt , low tempuratures , and excellent performance .
well run this one on a unbranded 400Watts PSU , and btw it is still running on it .

and if get a 6800GT or 6800GS for the same Price , then thats a good option , better performance then both 6600GT and 6800XT .
u might need to get a PSU above 450Watts for the 6800GT and 6800GS .

but then it also better the upgrade to PCIE .

the choice is urs , and i could find anything on the 6800XT , so its up to u .

Peace & ciao !!
 
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LW07

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Originally posted by: mancunian
Originally posted by: LW07
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102002
X800GTO AGP 256mb for $150 at newegg. You could try getting this, as it's faster than both a 6600GT and X1600pro. The X800GTO is like Between a 6800 and 6800GT in performance in most games.
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Good advice. Get this, it unlocks to 16 pipes no problem. I'm running one and it's easily the best value AGP card at the moment.
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It probably doesn't unlock to 16 pipes, yours might be different, but it is a much better choice than a 6600GT, X1600pro, or 6800XT at the price you're looking at. X800GTO is between a 6800 and 6800GT in terms of performance.
 
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LW07

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Originally posted by: emilyek
It probably doesn't unlock to 16 pipes, yours might be different, but it is a much better choice than a 6600GT, X1600pro, or 6800XT at the price you're looking at. X800GTO is between a 6800 and 6800GT in terms of performance.
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Yep.

If you wanna save some cash, you can get an 'open box' one from egg for pretty cheap:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102609R
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Open Box means refurbished, which increases your chance of getting a defective card.
 
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mancunian

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Originally posted by: LW07
Originally posted by: mancunian
Originally posted by: LW07
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102002
X800GTO AGP 256mb for $150 at newegg. You could try getting this, as it's faster than both a 6600GT and X1600pro. The X800GTO is like Between a 6800 and 6800GT in performance in most games.
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Good advice. Get this, it unlocks to 16 pipes no problem. I'm running one and it's easily the best value AGP card at the moment.
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It probably doesn't unlock to 16 pipes, yours might be different, but it is a much better choice than a 6600GT, X1600pro, or 6800XT at the price you're looking at. X800GTO is between a 6800 and 6800GT in terms of performance.
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You might be right on the one you linked to, although it does have the requisite red PCB. However, your assumption that it 'probably' doesn't unlock is incorrect. The Sapphire red PCB models have a very high unlock success rate, almost 100%. The refurb that has been linked definitely does unlock, I have exactly the same card.
 
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NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
The 6800GT is significantly faster than the 6600GT, no doubt. Not just the memory interface and clocks but it also has TWICE the pixel pipes.

Just so you know, the 6800GS performs identically to the 6800GT so if you see one of those at a decent price, don't get confused. The 6800GS has 12 pixelpipes vs. the 6800GT's 16, but it seems to compensate for it with a higher clock on the core. (425MHz vs. 350 MHz).

If your budget is strapped, get the 6600GT, or find a significantly cheaper X1600Pro with less memory.
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6800GS is equal to the 6800GT in PCI-e only :)
 
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RU482

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anyone know how an x1600pro 256mb card would compare to an old 9700 pro 128mb card

any benchmarks anywhere??
 
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