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ProfJohn

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Jul 28, 2006
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: zinfamous
let me pick one of your facts, or at least your opinion of this fact, and blow it up in front of you.

"Pell grants = money given to poor people?" Are you seriously this deluded?

I'm not a poor person. Never have been. I received Pell grants for 3 of my years in undergrad. This is not "money given to poor people." It's federal aid to provide an education for our students. Don't even think that that money isn't given back. The point is that my education grant me a degree that allows me to be competitive and contribute.
Did you have to repay the Pell Grant directly or did the government ?give? you money to spend on your education without any strings attached?

I believe that instead of ?giving? money away via Pell Grants they should ?loan? the money to poor students. Even if the loans are interest free. At least then the people will pay them back and the government will be able to help more people.

Finally? what is with the last line of your post? Why the personal attack? Are you incapable of discussing this issue without insulting those you don?t agree with? Perhaps a better forum for you would be the playground and your local elementary school.
Your a "Professor" and you don't klnow how Pell grants work??? ROFLMAO!!
Do you understand the concept of a rhetorical question?

As for the ?money given to poor people? comment I?ll quote right from a Pell Grant FAQ ?Although students with family incomes up to $45,000 may be eligible, most awards go to students with family incomes below $20,000.?
 

WHAMPOM

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Feb 28, 2006
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Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Wouldnt it be great if every fiscal year, our government set aside 50 billion or so to fund grand infrastructure projects that could be chosen by the people? Yearly committes could be formed that consists of city leaders, artists, architects, and even regular citizens, who would come up with various ideas that could be presented to the people, and the people could vote on which one(s) they want to see funded. These would be projects that make the whole country stand back and go "Wow", and just well up with pride that such a thing was built here in America. This would allow us to cast aside practicality and budget concerns every once in a while, and do something just so we could feel good about it and be proud to be Americans. Kind of like going to the moon, which didnt have much practical purpose at the time.

I think they could easily take this out of the military budget by scaling back a few dozen pointless deployments around the world.

What do you think?

Ya mean like Olympic villages, world fairs, and sports stadiums? Or building bridges to nowhere?
 

1EZduzit

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Feb 4, 2002
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: zinfamous
let me pick one of your facts, or at least your opinion of this fact, and blow it up in front of you.

"Pell grants = money given to poor people?" Are you seriously this deluded?

I'm not a poor person. Never have been. I received Pell grants for 3 of my years in undergrad. This is not "money given to poor people." It's federal aid to provide an education for our students. Don't even think that that money isn't given back. The point is that my education grant me a degree that allows me to be competitive and contribute.
Did you have to repay the Pell Grant directly or did the government ?give? you money to spend on your education without any strings attached?

I believe that instead of ?giving? money away via Pell Grants they should ?loan? the money to poor students. Even if the loans are interest free. At least then the people will pay them back and the government will be able to help more people.

Finally? what is with the last line of your post? Why the personal attack? Are you incapable of discussing this issue without insulting those you don?t agree with? Perhaps a better forum for you would be the playground and your local elementary school.
Your a "Professor" and you don't klnow how Pell grants work??? ROFLMAO!!
Do you understand the concept of a rhetorical question?

Do you understand the concept of "a lie of ommission"?

Of course you do, don't you!! ;)
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
I have an idea. Stop confiscating and wasting so much of my money, and I'll contribute to projects which I feel are worthwhile.
That makes sense, but with the amount of money blown by the government on garbage, we might as well pay a couple extra bucks and at least get something that makes for nice pictures and tv shows on discovery, so I support it if only because when I slap my hand enough times with the other hand, eventually it almost starts to feel good.

 

Mxylplyx

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Mar 21, 2007
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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Wouldnt it be great if every fiscal year, our government set aside 50 billion or so to fund grand infrastructure projects that could be chosen by the people? Yearly committes could be formed that consists of city leaders, artists, architects, and even regular citizens, who would come up with various ideas that could be presented to the people, and the people could vote on which one(s) they want to see funded. These would be projects that make the whole country stand back and go "Wow", and just well up with pride that such a thing was built here in America. This would allow us to cast aside practicality and budget concerns every once in a while, and do something just so we could feel good about it and be proud to be Americans. Kind of like going to the moon, which didnt have much practical purpose at the time.

i'm gonna make a wild guess that you don't pay taxes, and your either in high school or college.

i particularly enjoyed the "even regular citizens" comment.

I vote for a wall along the Mexico-U.S. border. I am darn sure everyone would go "WOW", and a significant number of folks would feel good about it, and proud to be Americans. That wall will even have a practical effect....

Here in lies the naivety of your proposal...such a grand infrastructure project, as I have proposed above, could actually get approved. A significant number of "regular citizens" are appalled by the state of our southern border. Indeed, walls are already being built....
one man's grand infrastructure project, is another man's abomination....

pie in the sky utopianism..a construct of the liberal/elite/leftists

hmm...where to start.

I pay lots of taxes, I graduated college 6 years ago, and I'm married with a kid. I live in Alabama, not San Francisco. I'm also conservative, though not a Republican anymore. Nice try though.

I dont see how a wall along the border ties into this discussion, though if it helps to make you even more off base in pinning a label on me, I've supported closing the southern border for quite a while now.

 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

I think economics being the overriding concern above all else is what has made America so damn boring. How many of the man made wonders of the world were based on economics? Was the Roman Coliseum based on economics. I think sometimes we should just build something because it would be damn cool to build. The economics would come in to play around the projects "wow" factor.

Boring? This country spends a ridiculous amount of money on entertainment already. $100M movie budgets seem to be getting more and more common. Cable TV has gone digital and has hundreds of channels available. We've got amusement parks, theme parks, organized sports, video games, and who knows what else. What more do you need?

Put that $50 billion toward useful things, like maybe artificial intelligence (I'd love a house robot to do mundane tasks like laundry, vacuuming, shoveling snow, or even just cleaning dishes more efficiently than a dishwasher does), or more importantly, transportation infrastructure, energy distribution systems, and new sources of energy and means of transporting it (fusion reactors and hydrogen).

Better railway infrastructure could allow not only for more efficient transport of people (high speed rail or maglev), but also of cargo. Sending freight by train would also mean fewer trucks, and therefore less wear and tear on roadways, and less traffic. Some roadways nearby where I live needed to be widened almost purely due to trucks. One left turn lane at a major intersection would only allow a single truck through at a time, because they take so long to accelerate from a dead stop. With that turn lane, the road had three lanes. It's been widened to 4 (2 left turn lanes), and the entire intersection has been enlarged to give trucks an easier time. More railways would allow for more freight to be transported more quickly using less fuel, with less damage to roads, and less traffic.

Energy distribution should really be the responsibility of the power companies. The distribution network is largely antiquated and degrading, while power consumption continues to increase, and power company profits do the same. I guess the incentive there wouldn't be to give them money to get off their asses and upgrade the lines; maybe fines would be a better means to acheive this end.

Energy sources - fossil fuel stores won't last forever. Earth's size is finite. You're not going to get an infinite amount of fuel out of it. Simple as that. Oil is an unstable, dirty, and finite commodity. We need other sources of power.
Fusion research should be a high priority. We have immense amounts of "fuel" for reactors, courtesy of deuterium in the ocean. It's my opinion that fusion could solve a lot of problems, by providing a clean way of producing incredible amounts of energy from a small amount of a very plentiful resource.
With fusion power, it could then be possible to either produce large quantities of hydrogen for use in vehicles, or else couple it with as yet uninvented battery technology to power electric cars.


Besides, there's probably already a few billion dollars sapped out of the budget each year for little pork projects, very much the same as this "$50 billion grand infrastructure project" idea.