Graffiti in Texas? 8 years in Prison, no chance of parole.

[HumblePie]

Actually in Texas, you can shoot taggers legally.... As long as you catch them doing it in the act and on YOUR property.

As far as the 8th amendment... you need to realize that it's based on society's definitions at the time. Look at the constitution and tell me that an "average citizen" at the time it was written is the same today? I'll give you a legal hint... it's not.

In reality, so long as the punishment is agreed upon as a reasonable limit by society, in this case the society of Texas, then it is perfectly legal and constitutional. That's why we VOTE. If Texans wanted to vote that all criminal activity, regardless of the activity, was punishable by death, it would all be legal. So long as everyone voted on it. Then all potential criminals would know PRIOR that when they get caught, they will pay the ultimate price.

But, while Texas citizens are much harsher in punishing criminals than other states, it is what they want. Don't like it, don't live here, OR do live here and change it with votes.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

They should of just garnished his checks until it was all paid off, like the idea of paying child support.

 

[PepePeru]

I'm pretty sure some of you would keel over if you ever went to Brazil.

 

[HumblePie]

They should of just garnished his checks until it was all paid off, like the idea of paying child support.

Umm.. typically the people that do tagging... don't just do tagging. They are street thugs who's income typically comes from drugs and stealing. I don't think the average tagger has a W4.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

I'm pretty sure some of you would keel over if you ever went to Brazil.

I thought they were all busy doing Jujitsu there

 

[BudAshes]

I suspect that you might change your mind if someone was tagging your business on a regular basis and you had to deal with it.

Killing someone is not really something you change your mind on. I did lots of idiotic things as a kid, and I'm guessing you did too my friend. If I had been killed how would I have matured and tried to make up for those things? Tagging something is not a real crime compared to the other things going down every day. If you are so worried about something being tagged hire security.

 

[olds]

I'm pretty sure some of you would keel over if you ever went to Brazil.

I thought they were all busy doing Jujitsu there

And waxing.

 

[olds]

Killing someone is not really something you change your mind on. I did lots of idiotic things as a kid, and I'm guessing you did too my friend. If I had been killed how would I have matured and tried to make up for those things? Tagging something is not a real crime compared to the other things going down every day. If you are so worried about something being tagged hire security.

Good advice on hiring security. Where should I have them send you the bill?

 

[Zebo]

Actually in Texas, you can shoot taggers legally.... As long as you catch them doing it in the act and on YOUR property.

As far as the 8th amendment... you need to realize that it's based on society's definitions at the time. Look at the constitution and tell me that an "average citizen" at the time it was written is the same today? I'll give you a legal hint... it's not.

In reality, so long as the punishment is agreed upon as a reasonable limit by society, in this case the society of Texas, then it is perfectly legal and constitutional. That's why we VOTE. If Texans wanted to vote that all criminal activity, regardless of the activity, was punishable by death, it would all be legal. So long as everyone voted on it. Then all potential criminals would know PRIOR that when they get caught, they will pay the ultimate price.

But, while Texas citizens are much harsher in punishing criminals than other states, it is what they want. Don't like it, don't live here, OR do live here and change it with votes.

8th changes with the times. Used to be hanging for theft, rape and other felonies were quite acceptable and practiced. We got soft in the 1920's and criminals more brazen and frequent as a result. My brother is a multiple felon and has even told me he loves going back in to so he doesn't have to make hard decisions and support himself. He should have been offed a long time ago as all he is is a societal liability.

 

[DesiPower]

I would trade such a judge and judicial system for one that awards and applauds pedophiles any day of my life!!

/sarcasm

All you have to do is not to break the law, is that so hard to do? Punishment is a bit too harsh but it sets an example, teaches respect for the law to people who have no respect for it and public/other ppls properties. I don't see anything wrong with it. As far as spending money is concerned, spending to punish criminals over a spending to protecting criminals is way better IMO.

BTW, other educated, intellectual and smart states like Calif have 3 strike law too. And dont forget TX has some of the fastest growing cities, big businesses and pouring in, has the most numbers of Fortune 500s and its the 2nd largest GDP.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Good advice on hiring security. Where should I have them send you the bill?

If it's not worth the cost, don't do it.

If you can get away with shooting someone for a petty crime, and it won't fuck you up in the head to do it, go right ahead, although if killing someone for causing minor property damage wouldn't fuck you up, then you're already pretty fucked up to begin with.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

How is anything Texas does interesting anymore? Texas is the retarded stepson of the USA. Nobody from outside of Texas thinks of Texas as anything other than a giant, humid joke.

It's like still being shocked when Britney Spears flashes her beav when she gets out of a car. At this point they're just shambling, vaguely depressing caricatures of real people/states.

Ah yes, The hate for Texas is strong with you. Jealous much, seeing as how Texas actually has a viable economy and hasn't really been affected by the down turn in the rest of the nation. Must be us dumb hicks didn't get the memo.

BTW, if you don't want to go to jail for the specified amount of time in the law then don't do the crime. It's a fairly simple concept. It's already spelled out in black and white what the punishment is for the activities. It's not like the judge can just randomly make up sentences. He has to use what is allowed for in the law. But don't let facts get in the way of your logic.

 

[jonks]

If Texans wanted to vote that all criminal activity, regardless of the activity, was punishable by death, it would all be legal.

Er, no it wouldn't. The SC just ruled last year that putting child rapists to death was not constitutional. Granted, that was 5-4, but it's the law now.

But if the case before them was death for shoplifting it probably would have been a bit more on the unanimous side.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Killing someone is not really something you change your mind on. I did lots of idiotic things as a kid, and I'm guessing you did too my friend. If I had been killed how would I have matured and tried to make up for those things? Tagging something is not a real crime compared to the other things going down every day. If you are so worried about something being tagged hire security.

Me stealing your car isn't a real crime. It doesn't hurt anybody. Those fucking pigs need to spend more time finding the rapists and murders, not us car thieves.

 

[El Guaraguao]

give the kid 1 tooth brush, 1 bar of soap and make him use his spit to clean the shit off the wall.

 

[Miramonti]

If you're going to commit a felony, make sure it's insider trading or a mid level ponzi scheme.

 

[HumblePie]

Er, no it wouldn't. The SC just ruled last year that putting child rapists to death was not constitutional. Granted, that was 5-4, but it's the law now.

But if the case before them was death for shoplifting it probably would have been a bit more on the unanimous side.

Uh no... that's why we have an ever changing law system that can be voted upon. Right now it's not legal, but things can and always do change. At one point in American history it WAS legal. It can be so again

Also, the constitution is made for change. What is not constitutional now can be later. People don't seem to grasp that concept of American law and the Judicial Branch. So again, if society deemed it appropriate that death was an acceptable punishment for say.... stealing bubble gum... then it would be. I'm not saying I want that or agree with that, just making a point.

 

[olds]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXjm8pZMws

Fixed

 

[RESmonkey]

What do you expect...Judges are like an amplified version of a lawyer. A compression of douchebag/evil/sand-in-vagina-ness in a human form.

 

[Zebo]

give the kid 1 tooth brush, 1 bar of soap and make him use his spit to clean the shit off the wall.

That's an excellent suggestion or 8 years his choice. But wire brush so business owners can re-open someday. Has humiliation, paying back, and punishment all built in.

I doubt a judge has that kind of latitude though.

 

[Numenorean]

His hands should be chopped off. Everyone knows this.

 

[Jeeebus]

What do you expect...Judges are like an amplified version of a lawyer. A compression of douchebag/evil/sand-in-vagina-ness in a human form.

so what you're saying is... you're an idiot.

 

[QueBert]

Umm.. typically the people that do tagging... don't just do tagging. They are street thugs who's income typically comes from drugs and stealing. I don't think the average tagger has a W4.

How many taggers do you know? I'd say next to none if you say shit like this. Sorry, but that's not even close to true. There are indeed thugs who do tag, but most taggers aren't thugs, and they don't sell drugs and steal. The average tagger isn't going to have a W4 no, but the average tagger is a teenager who's still in high school.

 

[grrl]

Does anyone know how much time a "felony marijuana charge" is worth in Texas?

 

[HumblePie]

How many taggers do you know? I'd say next to none if you say shit like this. Sorry, but that's not even close to true. There are indeed thugs who do tag, but most taggers aren't thugs, and they don't sell drugs and steal. The average tagger isn't going to have a W4 no, but the average tagger is a teenager who's still in high school.

dude... don't even go there... you have no clue what I donate my time to and who I help out. Let alone some of the people that work with me. Let me put it this way, guy I know has been working with reforming gangsters and major criminal offenders for 30+ years.

Here think about this. A kid that does a little tag isn't going to do about $8000 at one time. A wall or sign doesn't cost that unless it's been minted in gold. Think to yourself how much tagging did they have to catch this guy do to equal that sum? Then you realize that this is a repeat offender if they are doing that much tagging. Then you realize, WHY anyone would do that much tagging. It's to mark territory for gangs, drug sales, and other less socially accepted behaviors. You have not a clue form which you speak of if you don't realize the VAST majority of tags is not done by a couple middle schoolers looking to do a one or two time prank and then stop. Don't even go there.