Governor of New Jersey Blocks Hudson Tunnel Project

[techs]

I guess we shouldn't have built all those damn dams under FDR.

After all, they only helped us win the war, build the atom bomb and provide us with the greatest economic boom of any country ever.

Heck, how the hell could we build a dam during a recession?????

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

techs, can you explain what a darwin award is yet?

 

[Fayd]

New Jersey has some of the highest tax rates in the country? Well, New Jersey has some of the highest salaries in the country.

What does a Nobel Prize for Economics winner say about the tunnnel?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/08/opinion/08krugman.html?_r=1&hp
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krugman is a party-line democrat. hardly an unbiased source.

 

[lupi]

Techs again proving nothing but that he lives in delusion.

And it was germans that built the bomb.

 

[techs]

Techs again proving nothing but that he lives in delusion.

And it was germans that built the bomb.

Let me guess. Home schooled?

 

[SP33Demon]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=somebody%20set up us the bomb

 

[Blackjack200]

commuter ferry running directly across is ~10 minutes.

but it's prohibitively expensive... when I worked for the ferry (and this was like 8 years ago) monthly passes for the cheapest route was $200/month and that doesn't include parking and you're sitting in bumper to bumper traffic driving to the ferry terminal.

it makes sense if you live on the waterfront, but for anyone commuting in from the burbs, it's just as easy to pack onto the already crowded trains.

Just to expand, look at this map of the NJ Transit system.

http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/rail/Rail_System_Map.pdf

Look how it pulls almost the entire Northern part of the state right into Hoboken (a quick PATH ride from Lower Manhatten) and NYC. These rail lines are critical and doubling their capacity into New York would be incredibly impactful.

 

[techs]

Just to expand, look at this map of the NJ Transit system.

http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/rail/Rail_System_Map.pdf

Look how it pulls almost the entire Northern part of the state right into Hoboken (a quick PATH ride from Lower Manhatten) and NYC. These rail lines are critical and doubling their capacity into New York would be incredibly impactful.

Just think. In a few years NJ transit will be a Yogi 'ism:
"That place is so crowded no one goes there anymore"

 

[Kirby]

MONORAlL

 

[SP33Demon]

Just import a shtload of beavers to dam the Hudson and pave over their dams for your new highway.

 

[slayer202]

wah wah wah wah, theres no way I can make it through reading this thread.

anyway, its dissapointing, commuting to the city is a pain in the ass, this would have been nice :/

 

[Gibson486]

A multibillion dollar state funded project....geee....I wonder how that will turn out.

**looks at big dig**

 

[Blackjack200]

Just import a shtload of beaver...

I like this idea much better.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

techs, can you explain what a darwin award is yet?

..

 

[techs]

techs, can you explain what a darwin award is yet?

It's when Republicans keep insisting their failed policies will work. This time.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

You mean the the fact that the Bush tax cuts turned a surplus into a huge deficit over the last 10 years? Or that we outsourced our jobs to China for short term profits? Or that we deregulated the banks and got what we always get when we deregulate the banks? An enormous crash? Or do you mean that we neglected our infrastructure for the 10 years of the Bush tax cuts?

America is like the penny pincher who won't spend a dime to fix his house. One day it comes crashing down.

We didn't overspend. We under taxed. The national debt would be only be half what it is if we didn't just cut taxes recklessly under Bush and the Republicans. And only a quarter of what it is if we didn't deregulate the markets and cause the Great Recession.

Leave it to you to blame Bush. Simpltons like you don't seem to comprehend that Congress is the one the controls the money. things only really started getting bad in America once the Dem controlled Congress took over.

 

[alphatarget1]

How hard is it to sell bonds that are covered by raised fares paid by commuters? It makes 100% sense to fully fund the project without asking for taxpayers to commit even more money. It sounds to me the project is all designed and the money spent on that cannot be recouped.

Maybe it's not totally a bad thing though. Look at the Bay Bridge in the San Francisco Bay Area. That's some government efficiency right there, NOT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter..._Francisco_–_Oakland_Bay_Bridge#A_price_shock

New Jersey: you should be happy that you have a fiscally responsible governor.

 

[MotF Bane]

YATP&NT.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yeah, it pisses me off that all the NYC taxes are used to pay for the rest of the state.

Not even close. We in western ny pay the nations highest property taxes and we don't even get to keep the money. We'd gladly let you go and your pets in albany. Adios!

 

[techs]

Not even close. We in western ny pay the nations highest property taxes and we don't even get to keep the money. We'd gladly let you go and your pets in albany. Adios!

You need to check your facts. New York City funds the State of New York. And just like New York supports the failed states of the United States, NYC pays far more to the State of New York than it receives back from Albany.
In fact, NYC finally had to go to court to get back some of the money it paid to Albany for its education system, since it was funding the rest of the States educational system.


Here's the info:
http://www.educationjustice.org/states/newyork.html

Litigation
After a successful 13-year litigation to enforce the state’s constitutional duty to provide the opportunity for a “sound basic education” to New York school children, the New York legislature in 2006 increased school facilities funding $11.2 billion and in 2007 enacted a new funding system, including a $7 billion increase in annual state education aid to be fully phased in by the 2010-11 school year.

 

[BoberFett]

techs, lol.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You need to check your facts. New York City funds the State of New York. And just like New York supports the failed states of the United States, NYC pays far more to the State of New York than it receives back from Albany.
In fact, NYC finally had to go to court to get back some of the money it paid to Albany for its education system, since it was funding the rest of the States educational system.


Here's the info:
http://www.educationjustice.org/states/newyork.html

Litigation
After a successful 13-year litigation to enforce the state’s constitutional duty to provide the opportunity for a “sound basic education” to New York school children, the New York legislature in 2006 increased school facilities funding $11.2 billion and in 2007 enacted a new funding system, including a $7 billion increase in annual state education aid to be fully phased in by the 2010-11 school year.

Well we sure don't get it. Maybe it goes to the northeast region. My neighbor down the road is paying 12k in taxes a year on a 215k home. Our main problem is with albany. We really have no representation. Maybe they're screwing us all over. That would be expected I suppose.

 

[techs]

Well we sure don't get it. Maybe it goes to the northeast region. My neighbor down the road is paying 12k in taxes a year on a 215k home. Our main problem is with albany. We really have no representation. Maybe they're screwing us all over. That would be expected I suppose.

This is about the part of the financing that comes out of the general fund, primarily personal and corporate income taxes. New York City and its surrounding suburbs have the highest incomes in the country, and so pay the greatesttaxes. Not too mention the corporate taxes and other business taxes paid by companies in NYC. NYC pays in to the state far, far, far more than it receives back. In fact, you are probably paying lower taxes than you would have to for your services, courtesy of the economic largess from NYCity.

Perhaps the problem in western NY is the lack of good paying jobs? When an area has lower income those with decent jobs find themselves paying more to support infrastructure.

 

[BoberFett]

Got some facts to back that up? What kind of infrastructure requires a 10% property tax on top of already high income taxes?

 

[techs]

Got some facts to back that up? What kind of infrastructure requires a 10% property tax on top of already high income taxes?

I don't understand your point? Property taxes are often used for schools.