Government Welfare State: Creating Dependency

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Incorruptible

Lifer
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Annisman* said:
Alot of good responses here, most people seem to have my opinion, makes me wonder who exactly voted the food stamp guy back in.
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Some of the same leeches that receive the food stamps. Since obama has been elected more people are getting welfare and they will vote to keep/steal it. As well many people in this country are very ignorant and will blindly vote for someone after hearing some rhetoric and false promises.
 
Oldgamer

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WHAMPOM said:
Government funded abortion would fix all that. Now just who made that illegal? Cm'on make a guess!
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Agreed, but right now so many states are implementing laws making it impossible for services like PP and others, to provide abortion or birth control, some clinics have been shut down by "trap laws". What I dont understand is instead of people just giving her things, why someone wouldn't help her get job training or schooling, and help her to get a job. The sad thing is she won't be able to keep all her children if she cant provide for them and CPS will take them to foster care eventually, and then the state will be burdened with long term care for those kids which will be more costly. I love how that news blip did such a wonderful job of editing to make her look like the stereotypical welfare minority. How do you know she wasnt talking about herself when she made that comment?
 
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nehalem256

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Oldgamer said:
Agreed, but right now so many states are implementing laws making it impossible for services like PP and others, to provide abortion or birth control, some clinics have been shut down by "trap laws". What I dont understand is instead of people just giving her things, why someone wouldn't help her get job training or schooling, and help her to get a job. The sad thing is she won't be able to keep all her children if she cant provide for them and CPS will take them to foster care eventually, and then the state will be burdened with long term care for those kids which will be more costly. I love how that news blip did such a wonderful job of editing to make her look like the stereotypical welfare minority.
How do you know she wasnt talking about herself when she made that comment?
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(1) Get it through your liberal head. Republicans are not trying to ban BC.

(2) The woman had 15 children. I think it is pretty clear she knew where children came from. And could have figured out how to prevent them after say 5 children if she gave half-a-fuck.

Pro-choice policies would do nothing to prevent filth like the woman in the OP, because she is CHOOSING to live like that.

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How do you know she wasnt talking about herself when she made that comment?
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:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 
OverVolt

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Its like the Roman farmer entitlements.

Why are food prices going up :hmm: no one seems to be farming between the high taxes and tempting entitlements.

By the time the barbarians showed up it wasn't so much conquering as it was just walking in and saying they weren't Roman, and people were like thank god take me with you.
 
Svnla

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I think there was a thread or two about this woman and the kids before. I will see if I can find it.
 
boochi

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Compulsory sterilization should be a requirement for people to keep receiving welfare benefits for more than 3 years.
 
Pr0d1gy

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PC Surgeon said:
I agree with this but it would take honesty and a lack of greed from the government to really make this not necessary, and sadly those are the two traits in the shortest supply in government.
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Well in all fairness it is both that suffer from this problem at this point, so I see where you are coming from, but with respect to the claim made in the OP the private sector is the problem. We are seeing records set on Wall Street yet peoples' wages are still frozen in many places, hiring has not picked up at all, and more and more people are deciding it isn't even worth it to remain in the workforce. You cannot blame that on government. They are not the companies earning record profits. So I really fail to see your point with this post other than to declare your ideaological counter-stance against my post.
 
Matt1970

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Well when you tax people who work and pay people who don't work, why are we shocked to see stories like this?
 
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Lifer
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Matt1970 said:
Well when you tax people who work and pay people who don't work, why are we shocked to see stories like this?
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Why cant people understand this? Welfare is an incredible waste of money and it only hurts the poor. Paying people to not work and then wondering why the economy is so weak is just ignorance.
 
sportage

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Someone always pulls some extreme example out of a hat to make their point.
I dont know about this lady, but what I do know is that if companies paid employees a decent wage, the same people would not need food stamps, rent assistance and all the other stuff.
The reason so many need assistance has nothing to do with greed of the poor.
The minimum wage for, say, food service worker should be starting at 11 dollars an hour. And more if any person is hired at full time status 40 hours a week.

Bottom line, no worker in this country should be making less than 11 - 12 an hour, regardless.
There is no way no how anyone can tell me a company must pay less to survive.
If that were the case, let the company not survive.

Everyone knows well that McDonalds Inc, Toco Bell Inc, Wendys Inc, Walmart Inc and all the others would do just fine profit wise after paying a decent living wage. And that wage of at least 11 dollars an hour. Period.

After all... Lincoln DID free the slaves. Its about time American companies do the same.
 
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nehalem256

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sportage said:
Someone always pulls some extreme example out of a hat to make their point.
I dont know about this lady, but what I do know is that if companies paid employees a decent wage, the same people would not need food stamps, rent assistance and all the other stuff.
The reason so many need assistance has nothing to do with greed of the poor.
The minimum wage for, say, food service worker should be starting at 11 dollars an hour. And more if any person is hired at full time status 40 hours a week.

Bottom line, no worker in this country should be making less than 11 - 12 an hour, regardless.
There is no way no how anyone can tell me a company must pay less to survive.
If that were the case, let the company not survive.

Everyone knows well that McDonalds Inc, Toco Bell Inc, Wendys Inc, Walmart Inc and all the others would do just fine profit wise after paying a decent living wage. And that wage of at least 11 dollars an hour. Period.

After all... Lincoln DID free the slaves. Its about time American companies do the same.
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And how did you arrive at your conclusion of an $11/hr minimum wage being correct?
 
sixone

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sportage said:
Someone always pulls some extreme example out of a hat to make their point.
I dont know about this lady, but what I do know is that if companies paid employees a decent wage, the same people would not need food stamps, rent assistance and all the other stuff.
The reason so many need assistance has nothing to do with greed of the poor.
The minimum wage for, say, food service worker should be starting at 11 dollars an hour. And more if any person is hired at full time status 40 hours a week.

Bottom line, no worker in this country should be making less than 11 - 12 an hour, regardless.
There is no way no how anyone can tell me a company must pay less to survive.
If that were the case, let the company not survive.

Everyone knows well that McDonalds Inc, Toco Bell Inc, Wendys Inc, Walmart Inc and all the others would do just fine profit wise after paying a decent living wage. And that wage of at least 11 dollars an hour. Period.

After all... Lincoln DID free the slaves. Its about time American companies do the same.
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Problem is, as soon as you jack the minimum wage for food service workers, the price of that food goes up to cover those costs. So then your minimum wage has to go up, then the price of that food goes up, and you've created a vicious cycle.

People who start at minimum wage CAN earn their way up. If they do a good job for their employer, they're rewarded with raises or with good recommendations so that they can move to a better paying job. Those who don't do a good job don't deserve the raises you want to give them.
 
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Lifer
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Raising the minimum wage is not a good idea. The government has no right to tell employers what to pay employees.

Raising the minimum wage will only result in higher prices for customers and as others have said will just result in a cycle.

Minimum wage is not meant to be able to live on. You start out at minimum wage and then get more skills and experience and get a better/high paying job. You are not suppose to be able to support a family on minimum wage.
 
Matt1970

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Lifer
Mar 19, 2007
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sportage said:
Someone always pulls some extreme example out of a hat to make their point.
I dont know about this lady, but what I do know is that if companies paid employees a decent wage, the same people would not need food stamps, rent assistance and all the other stuff.
The reason so many need assistance has nothing to do with greed of the poor.
The minimum wage for, say, food service worker should be starting at 11 dollars an hour. And more if any person is hired at full time status 40 hours a week.

Bottom line, no worker in this country should be making less than 11 - 12 an hour, regardless.
There is no way no how anyone can tell me a company must pay less to survive.
If that were the case, let the company not survive.

Everyone knows well that McDonalds Inc, Toco Bell Inc, Wendys Inc, Walmart Inc and all the others would do just fine profit wise after paying a decent living wage. And that wage of at least 11 dollars an hour. Period.

After all... Lincoln DID free the slaves. Its about time American companies do the same.
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It's kinda hard to make $11/hr with no job.
 
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Lifer
Jun 3, 2002
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You're not intelligent, at all. Especially if you think government welfare incentivizes people to have 15 kids, an extreme example that never happens and adds nothing meaningful to the deficit. There are so few, limited examples of people having children for the gov't subsidies that it's pointless and inane to bring up these isolated examples.

Just the the usual partisan-driven lulz-worthy drivel from a hopelessly lost libertarian.
 
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