Government Welfare State: Creating Dependency

[NoStateofMind]

"Somebody need to pay for my 15 kids" is just an example. She clearly thinks its everyone else's responsibility. This is only possible because government has provided a way for her to extort support from others. How many food stamps do you think she is getting? Free housing? Utilities? Healthcare? It wouldn't matter if it was just one of these because it legitimizes the constant pillaging of your paycheck to provide for those who will not help themselves, but honestly, why should they? With this system in place it encourages more of this behavior not less.

 

[child of wonder]

Government assistance can be a good thing when it's intended to empower and better the people that use it rather than create dependency.

However, most government programs fall in the latter category. Since so many are dependent on government, no politician would dare cut those programs for fear of losing an election so we're stuck.

 

[unokitty]

"... CBS 21 researched what government programs are available to a single mother of two making $19,000 a year... Our family would be eligible for $14,976 in free day care, another $13,400 for Head Start and Early Head Start, $7,148 in housing vouchers, $6,500 for weatherization projects, $400 to pay heating bills, $480 a year for a cell phone, with an extra $230 for a land line, and $182 in free legal advice. The family would get more than $6,028 in food assistance and another $6,045 in medical assistance. The mother is eligible for $5,500 in Pell Grants for school with an additional $12,000 for the Education Opportunity Grant; SMART Grant; and TEACH Grant. Our family would also get $6,800 in tax credits, and $1,900 in withholding would be returned. Add it up and this family can get $81,589 in free assistance."
--Link

War on Poverty?
War on Drugs?
War on Guns?

What part of just shut up and pay your taxes don't you understand?

How can Obama spread the wealth around if you don't pay your taxes?

You can call it welfare if you want, but I'll call it political patronage.

Uno

 

[Matt1970]

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

"Someone needs to be held responsible..."
says the woman with 15 kids.

 

[Incorruptible]

That woman is a disgusting piece of shit. Wouldn't she at least learn after having the first few kids. Did the moron not think she should close her legs or at least use some birth control.

She wants welfare and others to take care of her. I dare her to say that to my face.

And now this piece of shit wants others to pay for her kids. Cut away all the welfare and other government `aid` she receives. Take away the kids and find some good parents who can take care of them.

 

[nehalem256]

Whether you deal drugs or not is entirely your choice. Yet somehow you seem to think you have the right to tell others how to live their lives.

I think you just created a thread answering your own question from yesterday. People are stupid and irresponsible and need to be told what to do.

Basically you have 3 choices on how to deal with this kind of situation

(1) Tell people what to do.
(2) Let their bastard children starve.
(3) Bail them out.

Solution (1) would seem to be the most rational to me.

 

[WHAMPOM]

"Somebody need to pay for my 15 kids" is just an example. She clearly thinks its everyone else's responsibility. This is only possible because government has provided a way for her to extort support from others. How many food stamps do you think she is getting? Free housing? Utilities? Healthcare? It wouldn't matter if it was just one of these because it legitimizes the constant pillaging of your paycheck to provide for those who will not help themselves, but honestly, why should they? With this system in place it encourages more of this behavior not less.

Government funded abortion would fix all that. Now just who made that illegal? Cm'on make a guess!

 

[nehalem256]

Government funded abortion would fix all that. Now just who made that illegal? Cm'on make a guess!

I think you mean government MANDATED abortion. Which is an entirely different matter.

The Democrats would throw just as big of a fit over government mandated abortion as the Republicans.

 

[cubby1223]

That woman is a disgusting piece of shit. Wouldn't she at least learn after having the first few kids. Did the moron not think she should close her legs or at least use some birth control.

She wants welfare and others to take care of her. I dare her to say that to my face.

And now this piece of shit wants others to pay for her kids. Cut away all the welfare and other government `aid` she receives. Take away the kids and find some good parents who can take care of them.

"say that to my face"?

As if you ever would have the balls to call her "a disgusting piece of shit" to her face.

Get real.

 

[cubby1223]

If there ever were an example to get Republicans back on board with Planned Parenthood funding...

 

[Greenman]

Government funded abortion would fix all that. Now just who made that illegal? Cm'on make a guess!

It would help a bit if it was compulsory, but it's not the answer.
I find it interesting that so many people see abortion as the final solution to social problems. Personally, I prefer solutions that don't involve killing.

 

[Incorruptible]

"say that to my face"?

As if you ever would have the balls to call her "a disgusting piece of shit" to her face.

Get real.

I wouldn't have said that if I wasn't serious. This woman is a leech on the taxpayer so yes I will call her out or anyone else to takes my money.

 

[Anarchist420]

"say that to my face"? As if you ever would have the balls to call her "a disgusting piece of shit" to her face. Get real.

I believe him, but I have no idea why he blames the symptoms (the dependency) just as much as, if not more than the root(the govt).

 

[CycloWizard]

We have created a society in which a kid gets a trophy for showing up. These kids are now in college and expect A's just for paying tuition. If you refuse to give them A's, you will get terrible evaluations. If you give them A's and they go out into the world with their degree, get a job, and blow up a hospital with their entitled ineptitude, whose fault is it? If people never learn what failure is, they will never strive to succeed. Why should anyone bust his/her ass to get better at something when they will get the same trophy as the idiot picking his nose in the corner? Why should anyone work 40 hours/week to make a smidgen more than they could be collecting from disability?

I will coin the term incentive gap which is the difference between where people are and where they want to be. This gap is the driving force for someone working to better himself. If the gap is very small, then there is no motivation to work hard. The larger the gap, the more someone is willing to work to overcome it. This gap is shrinking all the time not just because of government programs but also because of propaganda against those who have worked hard and made it into the upper echelons - the evil rich. This limits the heights to which anyone would want to rise based on the mentality that one must be evil or at least engage in evil activity to achieve above a certain level. The lower limit is boosted with handouts. The result is predictable.

 

[Greenman]

We have created a society in which a kid gets a trophy for showing up. These kids are now in college and expect A's just for paying tuition. If you refuse to give them A's, you will get terrible evaluations. If you give them A's and they go out into the world with their degree, get a job, and blow up a hospital with their entitled ineptitude, whose fault is it? If people never learn what failure is, they will never strive to succeed. Why should anyone bust his/her ass to get better at something when they will get the same trophy as the idiot picking his nose in the corner? Why should anyone work 40 hours/week to make a smidgen more than they could be collecting from disability?

I will coin the term incentive gap which is the difference between where people are and where they want to be. This gap is the driving force for someone working to better himself. If the gap is very small, then there is no motivation to work hard. The larger the gap, the more someone is willing to work to overcome it. This gap is shrinking all the time not just because of government programs but also because of propaganda against those who have worked hard and made it into the upper echelons - the evil rich. This limits the heights to which anyone would want to rise based on the mentality that one must be evil or at least engage in evil activity to achieve above a certain level. The lower limit is boosted with handouts. The result is predictable.

Very well said, and very accurate, in my experience.

 

[Incorruptible]

I believe him, but I have no idea why he blames the symptoms (the dependency) just as much as, if not more than the root(the govt).

The government is the root cause and I have stated this before. When the government offers these welfare programs they dont help the people but only make them dependent on the government. These same people then continue to vote for more government to get their "benefits".

This is why many in government are so idiotic that they refuse to cut welfare because they want more votes.

But I will call out the people on these programs because they are stealing my money and I have zero respect for some of these pathetic people.

I have stated many times before that all these welfare programs should be abolished. Private charity without the use of force is a much better option and actually is effective in helping the poor.

 

[1prophet]

We have created a society in which a kid gets a trophy for showing up. These kids are now in college and expect A's just for paying tuition. If you refuse to give them A's, you will get terrible evaluations. If you give them A's and they go out into the world with their degree, get a job, and blow up a hospital with their entitled ineptitude, whose fault is it? If people never learn what failure is, they will never strive to succeed. Why should anyone bust his/her ass to get better at something when they will get the same trophy as the idiot picking his nose in the corner? Why should anyone work 40 hours/week to make a smidgen more than they could be collecting from disability?

I will coin the term incentive gap which is the difference between where people are and where they want to be. This gap is the driving force for someone working to better himself. If the gap is very small, then there is no motivation to work hard. The larger the gap, the more someone is willing to work to overcome it. This gap is shrinking all the time not just because of government programs but also because of propaganda against those who have worked hard and made it into the upper echelons - the evil rich. This limits the heights to which anyone would want to rise based on the mentality that one must be evil or at least engage in evil activity to achieve above a certain level. The lower limit is boosted with handouts. The result is predictable.

The evil rich are the ones who have fostered this through their puppet legislatures, call it a dumbing down system on society,

because people who are capable of bettering themselves are a threat to them since there is only so much room at the top, and the last thing they want is some up and coming middle class type displacing them just like they did before to their predecessors.

They pretend to be for free markets and competition but that is the one thing they don't want because they believe they are too big to fail and are entitled to some sort of aristocracy.

Notice how all the so called tax the rich legislation impacts the middle class the most even though it is sold to the dumb public as a means to get the evil rich to pay their fair share?

 

[umbrella39]

Odd habit you have OP... Seek a new target. Enough of your descent...

 

[NoStateofMind]

Odd habit you have OP... Seek a new target. Enough of your descent...

I don't know what you mean. Care to explain?

 

[Anarchist420]

But I will call out the people on these programs because they are stealing my money and I have zero respect for some of these pathetic people.

The vast majority of people are net tax consumers.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I agree with this but it would take honesty and a lack of greed from the private sector to really make this not be necessary, and sadly those are the two traits in the shortest supply in the private sector.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I agree with this but it would take honesty and a lack of greed from the private sector to really make this not be necessary, and sadly those are the two traits in the shortest supply in the private sector.

I agree with this but it would take honesty and a lack of greed from the government to really make this not necessary, and sadly those are the two traits in the shortest supply in government.

 

[Annisman*]

Alot of good responses here, most people seem to have my opinion, makes me wonder who exactly voted the food stamp guy back in.

 

[Incorruptible]

I agree with this but it would take honesty and a lack of greed from the government to really make this not necessary, and sadly those are the two traits in the shortest supply in government.

Excellent post, You owned him good

People have to realize that government is much more selfish and greedy than the private sector.