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[Mill]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
It gets tiring and aggravating that they won't admit that marijuana is in-fact illegal and until it is legalized they are committing a crime.

It was once illegal for "coloreds" to sit on the front of a bus in the south. You are as much of a troll as anyone in these threads.

Is that the best you can come up with? That is a HUGE strawman...

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dabuddha
Sadly if you'd take a step back and listen to what you're saying, you'd see what I?m saying. By your logic, anything that takes up resources should be made legal. People have been known to commit crimes under the influence. It does impair your judgment. And I didn't expect you to understand my murder analogy. I'm not comparing murder to drug usage. I'm referring to the principle of the matter. We're discussing the logic, not the specifics. Hey, why not make it legal for people from Mexico to come over to our country. By your idiotic logic, it'd free up all the resources we use trying to patrol our borders

If that is somehow what you believe that I posted, then you may want to consider getting your eyes checked. I said nothing of the sort. Your interpretation is (in a word) whacked. How you came up with the idea that I said that "anything that takes up resources should be made legal," the world will never know

Especially after I said that laws against murder are good laws, and that I would like to see law enforcement resources freed up for fighting crime more efficiently.
As for whether or not people commit crimes under the influence, that is irrelevant. People commit crimes while NOT under the influence as well. In fact, I'm quite sure that many more people commit crimes while not under the influence of marijuana than those that do while under the influence. Then there is the fact that the vast majority of marijuana users commit no crimes at all except, of course, for the crime of using marijuana (edit: more than 90% of those serving time for marijuana offenses have committed no other crimes, IIRC). Which is my basic point, especially about resources. In real crime, there is a "perp" and a victim. In drug crimes, the "perp" IS the victim. That is why your murder analogy does not work. Look, I'm not going to explain basic criminal law to you. Why don't you enroll in a class at your local community college this spring? :disgust:

I know basic criminal law and I also know that your statistics are off. Drugs and alcohol are involved in 80% of all crimes. Marijuana is involved in 28% of all crimes. Marijuana offenders are a minority when it comes to drug arrest. Marijuana users make up only 43.9% of drug related arrests.

The number of people who have used any illicit drug in the past month is estimated to be around 14 million. I fail to see why there is such a need to capitulate to marijuana users who make up around 50% of that 14 million. A higher percentage of people are heavy drinkers or binge drink. Maybe we should loosen alcohol laws first. After all aren't we striving for the greater good? I mean you potheads want to act as if everyone smokes. Nope they don't. It seems to be that only about 5% of Americans smoke marijuana. Man I guess we should cater to you.

Sources for all my figures came from Criminology 7th edition and were pulled from UCRs, NCVS, Self-Report studies, etc.

If you want to debate law go ahead. Right now you are NOT debating law. Any time you want to debate law let me know.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
Where the hell do you draw the line for abusing your body? It's your fvcking right. If you want to drink 10 sodas in a day, that IS abusing your body. However, you should have the right to do it. Tax payers aren't paying the medical bills for those dying of lung cancer from smoking cigarettes.. The tobacco companies have been sued for billions of dollars.

I agree that it's your right to abuse your body as you wish, but you're wrong about Taxpayers not paying the medical bills. Ever hear of Medicare and Medicaid? That's direct government funding. That doesn't include the increased cost of insurance that EVERYBODY pays directly or indirectly. You can decide for yourself whether or not this is morally correct, but don't make the mistake of saying that only the drug user pays for it.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Strawman? No, what I hear from you is the law is law is law. It is un-American to abide by unjust laws.

People know what is just an unjust in their hearts. Treat others as you would like to be treated. I can't really think of any legitimate law that doesn't fall under that.

There is no reason why a plant that humans have cultivated and used for thousands of years should be illegal.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Strawman? No, what I hear from you is the law is law is law. It is un-American to abide by unjust laws.

People know what is just an unjust in their hearts. Treat others as you would like to be treated. I can't really think of any legitimate law that doesn't fall under that.

There is no reason why a plant that humans have cultivated and used for thousands of years should be illegal.

So under your logic heroin and morphine should be freely available? Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Given the highly addictive and potentially deadly nature of those substances, probably not. Raw opium would have been a better comparison, and I'd say yeah, that should probably be legal for personal cultivation and use.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Hypothetical question anyway, what would you be saying if it were still illegal for blacks to sit in the front of buses, had to use different bathrooms, etc. You don't seem to have a point at all in these threads, just a bias against "potheads" and a general need to get righteous on about following the law on people.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Jmman
Really all this boils down to is that you want to smoke pot and you justify it by saying that you have the "right" to do so. So far, the courts and well as the majority of the populace disagree. I do encourage you though to excercise this "right" at the nearest police station or court house if you disagree with the law. I also find it mildly humorous that some people want to equate this with the civil rights movement or something. Sorry, smoking a "J" in the restroom will not make you the next Rosa Parks or Martin Luther King. And furthermore, I love how some people will adamantly tell you that pot is not addictive , but they smoke it everyday and are willing to commit a crime just for the pleasure of smoking it......makes you go hmmmmm......😛

Well, when smoking it is a crime, of course those who smoke it are willing to commit a crime. Very few pot smokers are willing to commit robbery or some other crime in order to smoke pot though, at least those who have a reasonable economic status don't resort to crime other than the mere consumption crime.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Hypothetical question anyway, what would you be saying if it were still illegal for blacks to sit in the front of buses, had to use different bathrooms, etc. You don't seem to have a point at all in these threads, just a bias against "potheads" and a general need to get righteous on about following the law on people.

Reading these threads, it's hard telling the difference between the "potheads" and those calling others "potheads". The "potheads" come with valid and well-thought arguements, those calling people "potheads" use idiotic circular logic. Makes one go, hmmmm.

 

[Jmman]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Jmman
Really all this boils down to is that you want to smoke pot and you justify it by saying that you have the "right" to do so. So far, the courts and well as the majority of the populace disagree. I do encourage you though to excercise this "right" at the nearest police station or court house if you disagree with the law. I also find it mildly humorous that some people want to equate this with the civil rights movement or something. Sorry, smoking a "J" in the restroom will not make you the next Rosa Parks or Martin Luther King. And furthermore, I love how some people will adamantly tell you that pot is not addictive , but they smoke it everyday and are willing to commit a crime just for the pleasure of smoking it......makes you go hmmmmm......😛

Well, when smoking it is a crime, of course those who smoke it are willing to commit a crime. Very few pot smokers are willing to commit robbery or some other crime in order to smoke pot though, at least those who have a reasonable economic status don't resort to crime other than the mere consumption crime.

But when you could lose your job, your house, your car, or your freedom for just smoking pot or growing a plant, doesn't it seem illogical that you would take that risk? Is it worth it? Not imho.....

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Jmman

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Jmman
Really all this boils down to is that you want to smoke pot and you justify it by saying that you have the "right" to do so. So far, the courts and well as the majority of the populace disagree. I do encourage you though to excercise this "right" at the nearest police station or court house if you disagree with the law. I also find it mildly humorous that some people want to equate this with the civil rights movement or something. Sorry, smoking a "J" in the restroom will not make you the next Rosa Parks or Martin Luther King. And furthermore, I love how some people will adamantly tell you that pot is not addictive , but they smoke it everyday and are willing to commit a crime just for the pleasure of smoking it......makes you go hmmmmm......😛

Well, when smoking it is a crime, of course those who smoke it are willing to commit a crime. Very few pot smokers are willing to commit robbery or some other crime in order to smoke pot though, at least those who have a reasonable economic status don't resort to crime other than the mere consumption crime.

But when you could lose your job, your house, your car, or your freedom for just smoking pot or growing a plant, doesn't it seem illogical that you would take that risk? Is it worth it? Not imho.....

Not a major risk here...but then...I live in a free(r) country 😉

 

[przero]

Where you gonna' smoke it? You gonna' drive while you're high? What about cigarettes? Is there a right to smoke them?

 

[przero]

hagbard - Can you carry a concealed weapon in Canada?

 

[TheNinja]

To me Pot is no worse than alcohol, cigs, and caffeine. They are all unhealthy habits and really poses no good qualities (but I sure do like my beer and jack/coke sometimes). However we have to draw the line somewhere. Alcohol, cigs, and caffeine all have been legal for so long it is virtually impossible to get rid of them, not too mention the economic effect of taking tabacco/alcohol tax money out of the government. The opposite goes for Pot, it has been illegal forever and that's just the way it is and it is tough for the government to legalize it without looking like they are giving up on their "fight against drugs". We have to draw the line somewhere and I think even most of the people for legallizing pot would agree there should be some sort of control over it. For example only "adults" (and I'll use that term lightly in a lot of cases) can buy/consume alcohol and cigerettes legally. I hope the potheads don't want to legalize pot for all ages. The other thing is that if we start legalizing certain drugs beginning with pot, where do we stop? Pretty soon the tweakers and crack whores will be saying their bit about how they are getting a bad rap b/c beer, cigs, and pot are all legal why can't heroin, 'shrooms, crack, etc. be legal? The government has to draw the line somewhere and if pot is legalized they are probably scared of a snowball effect. After all someone shooting up in their own house with a little heroin isn't hurting anyone else are they, therefore it should be legal by some of you people's logic. I just wanted to point out a couple of points b/c I really don't care one way or the other whether pot is legal, just don't try to tell me it isn't bad for you.

 

[flyfish]

I have smoked pot.
I feel like it should stay illegal but, don't give jail time.
Just give fines based on the amount if caught in public and HUGE fines if caught under the influence while behind the wheel.
How about that? Deal?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Hypothetical question anyway, what would you be saying if it were still illegal for blacks to sit in the front of buses, had to use different bathrooms, etc. You don't seem to have a point at all in these threads, just a bias against "potheads" and a general need to get righteous on about following the law on people.

Reading these threads, it's hard telling the difference between the "potheads" and those calling others "potheads". The "potheads" come with valid and well-thought arguements, those calling people "potheads" use idiotic circular logic. Makes one go, hmmmm.

Oh wait you are on their side. Boy makes it hard for you do draw a non-biased argument. How about you stay in Canada and keep your goddamn mouth shut about the US? Deal?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Hypothetical question anyway, what would you be saying if it were still illegal for blacks to sit in the front of buses, had to use different bathrooms, etc. You don't seem to have a point at all in these threads, just a bias against "potheads" and a general need to get righteous on about following the law on people.

But it isn't so it is nothing but a Red Herring you are throwing out to sidetrack the argument. It is funny because I want to legalize but you want to attack me because I don't want it legalized in the way you do. Do you smoke marijuana?

 

[PistachioByAzul]

But it would be if people just sucked it up because that was the law and the law is the law. Anyway, how do you know the way I want it legalized, since I don't know that myself.

Smoking is bad for your lungs. It is better to eat it 🙂

 

[PistachioByAzul]

So I guess the point is, like I said, it is un-American to abide by unjust laws. Accepting the law and in meantime writing representatives didn't liberate the colonies from British rule, didn't free the slaves, etc. If you agree to that then what is your point.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

If coffee were illegal, do you think millions of people would risk getting caught and drink coffee? NO, duh.

Maybe 🙂 As I understand it, caffeine withdrawl can be pretty unpleasant.

 

[przero]

Who decides a law is unjust?

 

[brxndxn]

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I'm not a pussy who'd sell out my freedom to a bunch of jackbooted nazi moralistic politicans.
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Translation = self-righteous person with no respect for the law.

I'm all for personal freedoms, but the law is the law. If you break the law, it doesn't make you some freedom-fighter working for the good cause.

I know that was a few posts back, but this really irks me. Martin Luther King was a law breaker to many people. Now, he's God. Is there any questioning now whether or not Dr. King was 100% right?

Smoking pot even though it's against the law is a non-violent way of protesting the law.

 

[KthxBye]

Why all these silly laws designed to protect people? We'll all be dust in 100 years, let me do what I want.

 

[Mill]

EngineNr9-It was once legal to beat your wife. That doesn't make it right.

 

[przero]

brxndxn - Can I decide right and wrong?