Government-sponsored POT commercial propaganda bias and outright lie..

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: geno

I'm not a pussy who'd sell out my freedom to a bunch of jackbooted nazi moralistic politicans.

Translation = self-righteous person with no respect for the law.

I'm all for personal freedoms, but the law is the law. If you break the law, it doesn't make you some freedom-fighter working for the good cause.

I thought the highest law of the land in the US is the Constitution. The Constitution and its amendments are designed to ensure the rights of individual US citizens against the power of the state and the majority. Moreover, your founding fathers expected people to act against the government and their laws when they violated the rights of its citizens.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: Phuz
The comparison doesn't really work because they aren't even the same carcinogens.
Not to mention its been found that Big Tobacco uses radium in their fertilizer for accelerated growth, that alone is being found to be one of the most 'effective' cancer causing agents in a cigarette. Smoke is smoke, and the bottom line is that the human lungs weren't made for inhaling anything but air... but really, why are you surprised...?

Is it a radium 9700 pro? With the pro you'd get cancer much quicker.

 

[Mill]

"The way to chage the law is to defy it."

No that is just your personal agenda. Don't confuse your agenda with how people change laws. I have explained mala in se and mala prohibita to you on numerous occasions but you can't seem to grasp it.

"You're the worst troll here. Every argument you ever make winds up in ad hominem attacks on those who dare disagree with you. What are you, twelve?"

Ever since I taught you what a troll is or what ad-hom means you have embraced it as means to sidestep arguments and facts. For the record you ARE a troll and that is why many people will not respond to you. If you think I ad-hom you too much I will just stop responding to you so I don't hurt your feelings. From this day foward I will never reply to a post you make.

"They have better info then you've ever provided"

Then why do I always debunk and refute everything you post unless it is some slanderous op-ed piece that I ignore?

Bye Trollbard,

Evan

 

[Red Dawn]

You know for a party that professes to support States Rights and Individual Freedom and is supposedly against a "Nanny State" this Republican Adminsitration seems to be far more intrusive than the Clinton's Democratic Administration.

 

[HEMIFREAK]

CubicZirconia
A pothead is a pothead is a pothead. From what I've seen, pothead's two main recreational activities often consist of 1) smoking pot, and 2) talking about why smoking pot should be legal. Neither of which do any good for them. Again, I see no good reason why anyone would want to defend marijuana use. Its clearly bad for you, denying that is just stupid.

well since you obviously havn't done any research you, sir, are talking out of you're ass... in THIS (a U.S, govt sponsored study) sees no real harm in it. it states that the harm caused by marijuana is negligible,,,especially when compared to cigs and boose

 

[HEMIFREAK]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: CubicZirconia

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: CubicZirconia

Originally posted by: Triumph
My favorite is the pot commercial where the kid is getting arrested in the bathroom, with the line "Pot will get you in trouble" or something lame like that. Well duh! Only because you made it illegal!

You could say that about any crime. People only get in trouble for murder because the government made it illegal (an extreme example yes, but its the same basic concept). Personally, I laugh when I hear people trying to defend marijuana use. Its obviously bad for you, why pretend it isn't?

Should make coffee, mountain climbing and skiing illegal too, right?

Absolutely not. Coffee has no where near the affect on one's judgement that marijuana does. Mountain climbing and skiing are generally benificial to one's health, criminilizing them would be pointless (although I'm sure you and a dozen other people will say criminilizing marijuana is pointless too). I've seen enough potheads to know making marijuana illegal was a good idea.

I asked a guy a know, who smokes a lot of pot and so does his family/friends. He was brought up with pot as being a normal thing, he doesn't think anything is wrong with it. They smoke it regardless of it being illegal. He watches those anti-pot commercials and think they're stupid. So one day, I ask him:

"Why don't you think those commercials aren't true?"

"Because it doesn't mess up your mind like that."

"Sure it does."

"No it doesn't, you're normal."

"Okay... in all the times you've ever smoked it, have you ever, EVER, NOT smoked it while others around you smoked it. I mean, have you not smoked pot while others were high?"

"...No."

"Well I have seen it and I can tell you it makes you stupid. You can't see any difference in everyone because you're the same way."

silence...

tell that to all the engineers doctors,and mensa members that smoke it idiot

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
You know for a party that professes to support States Rights and Individual Freedom and is supposedly against a "Nanny State" this Republican Adminsitration seems to be far more intrusive than the Clinton's Democratic Administration.

amen.

 

[HEMIFREAK]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Millennium<

Well that is fine and dandy Red and I agree to a point. Problem being is that it has not been legalized yet. I take a lot of flack from the potheads on this forum because I think they should be punished if they break the law. Until it is legal it is a risk you take. I have said numerous times I am 99% for legalization and the other 1% will be there once a marijuana specific field sobriety test is created. Until marijuana is legalized it is ILLEGAL to smoke pot.

You're government has no intention of legalizating pot, nor allowing the States to allow for medical marijuana. Even if a majority of Americans voted for legalization, they wouldn't do it. The way to chage the law is to defy it.

I get really tired of the morons like hagbard, flavio, derek, and numerous others who make a big trollfest out of any drug thread.

You're the worst troll here. Every argument you ever make winds up in ad hominem attacks on those who dare disagree with you. What are you, twelve?

They won't allow any rational discussion.

Tell me about it.

The same tired old arguments and comparison are thrown out and you debunk or debate those away and then you get hit with articles from Pot-TV or NORML.

They have better info then you've ever provided.

BINGO of couse those kind of morons would debunk THIS govt study just because of the site its posted on and not read the material or find out who wrote it or who paid for the study

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: HEMIFREAK

CubicZirconia
A pothead is a pothead is a pothead. From what I've seen, pothead's two main recreational activities often consist of 1) smoking pot, and 2) talking about why smoking pot should be legal. Neither of which do any good for them. Again, I see no good reason why anyone would want to defend marijuana use. Its clearly bad for you, denying that is just stupid.

well since you obviously havn't done any research you, sir, are talking out of you're ass... in THIS (a U.S, govt sponsered study) sees no real harm in it. it states that the harm caused by marijuana is negligible,,,especially when compared to cigs and boose

Or this one by the Canadian Senate which recommended legalization.

 

[HEMIFREAK]

Originally posted by: Millennium
"The way to chage the law is to defy it."

No that is just your personal agenda. Don't confuse your agenda with how people change laws. I have explained mala in se and mala prohibita to you on numerous occasions but you can't seem to grasp it.

"You're the worst troll here. Every argument you ever make winds up in ad hominem attacks on those who dare disagree with you. What are you, twelve?"

Ever since I taught you what a troll is or what ad-hom means you have embraced it as means to sidestep arguments and facts. For the record you ARE a troll and that is why many people will not respond to you. If you think I ad-hom you too much I will just stop responding to you so I don't hurt your feelings. From this day foward I will never reply to a post you make.

"They have better info then you've ever provided"

Then why do I always debunk and refute everything you post unless it is some slanderous op-ed piece that I ignore?

Bye Trollbard,

Evan

then just try and debunk this THESIS or THIS study ...of course you won't.you'll just ignore it like you always have and just keep PUSHING you're agenda

 

[HEMIFREAK]

btw Millennium you're "law and order" stance is getting quite tiring...if it was run you're way, we would still be under British rule

I thought the highest law of the land in the US is the Constitution. The Constitution and its amendments are designed to ensure the rights of individual US citizens against the power of the state and the majority. Moreover, your founding fathers expected people to act against the (tyrannical) government and their laws when they violated the rights of its citizens.

 

[przero]

Do you guys vote? Do you bother to support pro-pot candidates? Do you contribute to their campaign? Do you offer assistence in their campaign? Do you realize how to change the system?

 

[CubicZirconia]

A lot of things are bad for you yet our government doesn't enforce it's hypocritical morality on them. Why should your opinion of Pot matter to those who wish to use it and even more why should it make them criminals?

Ok, should we get rid of the drinking age too? Who cares if alcohol is bad for teenagers, why should they be criminals if they decide to drink?

Neither has much effect on judgement.

High people do things they wouldn't do when not high. I flat out disagree with the above statement.

More people die from mountain climbing and skiing every year than have ever died from smoking pot. They also effect one's perceptions. I say, make them illegal too. Heck, make cheezes illegal, they'll make you fat.

Skiing and mountain climbing, along with other outdoor activities, have benefits. Namely, exercise. Thousands of people die in car accidents every year, but cars havn't been banned because they have an upside. Marijuana has no upside (with the possible exception of medicinal use, which is a completely different issue).

Yeah, in Cheech and Chong movies.

Actually, no.

Pot is actually beneficial for many people, hence why medical marijuana is legal in many States and in Canada.

In certain cases, when the benefits outweight the negatives, using marijuana makes sense. However, I hardly think thats the issue, its already legal for that purpose (in some areas). The real issue is whether or not people should be able to smoke pot for the sole purpose of getting high.

Yes, I can. One thing that is certain, harassing pot smokers with the law is not at all benefical for anyone.

How is using pot for recreational purposes beneficial? And "harassing" pot smokers with the law would help the pot smokers if they stopped smoking pot.

well since you obviously havn't done any research you, sir, are talking out of you're ass...

I know plenty of people who smoke pot regularly and I see them everyday. Thats all the research I need. Plus that fact that lighting something on fire and inhaling it just can't be good.

tell that to all the engineers doctors,and mensa members that smoke it idiot

Yeah, all those doctors and engineers smoke pot like crazy. And the mensa members...hell, I bet smoking pot makes you smart!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: Triumph
My favorite is the pot commercial where the kid is getting arrested in the bathroom, with the line "Pot will get you in trouble" or something lame like that. Well duh! Only because you made it illegal!

If pot isn't such a big deal, then why are people stupid enough to use it and risk getting caught? Defenders of Pot would make a better case if nobody illegaly smoked it. Then maybe it wouldn't be banned.

They made alcohol illegal and people literally died or went blind to get it. Pot is nothing in comparision. We made alcohol legal again, could you explain to me how pot is worse?

Originally posted by: SagaLore
If coffee were illegal, do you think millions of people would risk getting caught and drink coffee? NO, duh.

You obviously don't drink coffee.

Take my morning cup away from me and I would personally lead the revolution.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: przero
Do you guys vote? Do you bother to support pro-pot candidates? Do you contribute to their campaign? Do you offer assistence in their campaign? Do you realize how to change the system?

Click Me 🙂

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
You know for a party that professes to support States Rights and Individual Freedom and is supposedly against a "Nanny State" this Republican Adminsitration seems to be far more intrusive than the Clinton's Democratic Administration.

LOL... you're just catching on? The Bushes aren't Republicans, they're fascists. The problem with American politics today is that Republican voters are fanboy sheep and the Democrats are clueless idiots.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: przero
Do you guys vote? Do you bother to support pro-pot candidates? Do you contribute to their campaign? Do you offer assistence in their campaign? Do you realize how to change the system?

BC Marijuana Party

 

[HEMIFREAK]

Originally posted by: CubicZirconia

A lot of things are bad for you yet our government doesn't enforce it's hypocritical morality on them. Why should your opinion of Pot matter to those who wish to use it and even more why should it make them criminals?

Ok, should we get rid of the drinking age too? Who cares if alcohol is bad for teenagers, why should they be criminals if they decide to drink?

Neither has much effect on judgement.

High people do things they wouldn't do when not high. I flat out disagree with the above statement.

More people die from mountain climbing and skiing every year than have ever died from smoking pot. They also effect one's perceptions. I say, make them illegal too. Heck, make cheezes illegal, they'll make you fat.

Skiing and mountain climbing, along with other outdoor activities, have benefits. Namely, exercise. Thousands of people die in car accidents every year, but cars havn't been banned because they have an upside. Marijuana has no upside (with the possible exception of medicinal use, which is a completely different issue).

Yeah, in Cheech and Chong movies.

Actually, no.

Pot is actually beneficial for many people, hence why medical marijuana is legal in many States and in Canada.

In certain cases, when the benefits outweight the negatives, using marijuana makes sense. However, I hardly think thats the issue, its already legal for that purpose (in some areas). The real issue is whether or not people should be able to smoke pot for the sole purpose of getting high.

Yes, I can. One thing that is certain, harassing pot smokers with the law is not at all benefical for anyone.

How is using pot for recreational purposes beneficial? And "harassing" pot smokers with the law would help the pot smokers if they stopped smoking pot.

well since you obviously havn't done any research you, sir, are talking out of you're ass...

I know plenty of people who smoke pot regularly and I see them everyday. Thats all the research I need. Plus that fact that lighting something on fire and inhaling it just can't be good.

tell that to all the engineers doctors,and mensa members that smoke it idiot

Yeah, all those doctors and engineers smoke pot like crazy. And the mensa members...hell, I bet smoking pot makes you smart!

you have just shown how much of a blithering idiot you really are.if you had bothered to read the links,which you didn't you just might have found out from medical researchers that you're opinion might be wrong.and because of you're closed mind, you have just proven the fact that you are a blithering idiot

 

[Mill]

HEMIFREAK- All you can do is parrot those in this thread that you agree with or post some crap that was even being contested. I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA OR MEDICAL MARIJUANA. I HAD A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE WHO BROKE THE FVCKING LAW AND WON'T ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS. If I break the law and get caught it is my own damn fault. It is not because what I did was "illegal."

 

[przero]

hagbard - "The way to chage the law is to defy it." You sir do not understand a democratic republic. Suppose I want to change the laws banning the killing of say, Canadians. Do I defy it?

 

[3L33T32003]

Reality is for people who can't handle drugs.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: 3L33T32003
Reality is for people who can't handle drugs.

Drugs are for people who can't handle reality. 😀

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: przero
hagbard - "The way to chage the law is to defy it." You sir do not understand a democratic republic. Suppose I want to change the laws banning the killing of say, Canadians. Do I defy it?

Comparing murder to drug use is ridiculous.

 

[Triumph]

Wow, I'm surprised my post kept being discussed 5 pages into the thread. Anyway, my point was the circular reasoning behind the commercial:
A: Hey you, you're under arrest.
B: Why am I under arrest?
A: Because you're smoking pot, and that's bad.
B: Well why is that bad?
A: Because it'll get you arrested.

This is what the commercial says to me, and that's circular reasoning. All the arguments for and against pot DON'T MATTER, because you can replace "smoking pot" with any verb in my example, and it would still be a bad argument. See?

 

[DanJ]

I liked the old "You smoked pot and your parents caught you" ad; basically saying to me "don't let your parents catch you"

Was great.