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Gov. Walker and WI's master plan

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zsdersw said:
Police/firefighters cannot strike in WI.
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I think Racine teachers are not allowed to strike either. It did not prevent them from calling in "sick" and shutting down the schools.

Not sure about Madison teachers, but those schools were shut down for days.
 
Just to prove idiocy on both sides

Doctor who allegedly signed sick notes received 'threats of violence'

At least one doctor allegedly involved in writing sick notes for protesters at the Capitol last weekend has received "threats of violence," the dean of the UW School of Medicine and Public Health said in a statement Wednesday.
"Threats of violence are never appropriate," Dr. Robert Golden said.
A doctor got telephone threats at home, which were reported to local police, said UW Health spokeswoman Lisa Brunette.

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Left Using Twitter for Death Threats

Gov. Scott Walker has received death threats via Twitter. He is no stranger to this modern phenomenon, as just last month he and other elected officials from Wisconsin received hate messages after the Rep. Gabby Giffords shooting.

Death threats against public officials have been increasing in the past few years, and now they're becoming commonplace. Mentally unstable people are responsible for a large percentage of threats, and it appears the Left has more than its fair share of uncivil, intolerant and moderately ill people in its ranks.

Here's a caption from a video on Fox Nation showing the Twitter threats:

Not only are they carrying Hitler signs, comparing Governor Walker to Mubarak, getting arrested in the capitol building and sabotaging the Tea Party rally, the far left is now issuing death threats against Governor Scott Walker.

Emboldened twitterers, unfazed by President Obama's call for healing and civility after last month's shooting in Tucson, called for Wisconsin's Governor to be killed. A person named ‘Josh' asked for a "crazy man with sniper experience" [sic] to "do wut you do."

A protester outside the Capitol building in Madison carried a sign that read "Walker Dead or Alive" with ‘alive' crossed out.

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zsdersw said:
Teachers != police/firefighters.
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No kidding?

Let me make this simple for you.

illusio's post stated that Walker did not include police and firefighter unions because he was afraid they would walkout and that might affect public safety.

You replied that police and firefighters are not allowed to strike.

I replied that some teachers effectively went on strike even though they are not allowed to strike.

If teachers can effectively go on strike, even though they are not allowed to, then it is not a big stretch of the imagination to believe that police and firefighters can go on strike too, even though they are not allowed to.

Clear now?
 
Illusio said:
I think his point was that the police/firefighters could do the same thing. It doesn't have to be an organized strike to be effective. Every cop calling in sick in an area could be really bad.
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I know what his point was... and my response took that into account. Police calling in sick en masse? Exceedingly rare.. happening a total of 3 times in US history, IIRC. Contrast that to teacher strikes... and the difference is night-and-day.
 
tk149 said:
No kidding?

Let me make this simple for you.

illusio's post stated that Walker did not include police and firefighter unions because he was afraid they would walkout and that might affect public safety.

You replied that police and firefighters are not allowed to strike.

I replied that some teachers effectively went on strike even though they are not allowed to strike.

If teachers can effectively go on strike, even though they are not allowed to, then it is not a big stretch of the imagination to believe that police and firefighters can go on strike too, even though they are not allowed to.

Clear now?
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See post #788. Yes, it is a big stretch of the imagination to believe that police and firefighters are going to go on strike, considering how rare it is and how many other options the governor has at his disposal to prevent disruptions to public safety.
 
zsdersw said:
See post #788. Yes, it is a big stretch of the imagination to believe that police and firefighters are going to go on strike, considering how rare it is and how many other options the governor has at his disposal to prevent disruptions to public safety.
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Fair enough. Thank you for the extra information. I did not know police/FF strikes were so rare. Anyway, we will never know if the police/FF would have struck in this case because they were not included in this bill.

In related news, other unions are organizing a strike.

Labor Group Prepares For General Strike

MADISON, Wis. -- If Gov. Scott Walker and Republican legislators pass a union bill that restricts collective bargaining rights, some labor groups said a statewide worker strike is a very real possibility.
The South Central Federation of Labor endorsed the idea of a strike at its meeting on Monday night.
"People are angry that their rights are being taken away -- and for no good reason," SCFL President Jim Cavanaugh said.
Cavanaugh said his group, which supports more than 45,000 union workers in six counties in the area, voted Monday night on the endorsement, supporting its union members if they choose to strike.

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tk149 said:
Fair enough. Thank you for the extra information. I did not know police/FF strikes were so rare. Anyway, we will never know if the police/FF would have struck in this case because they were not included in this bill.
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A move that will result in police/firefighter layoffs (because cities remain bound by collective-bargaining in their police/fire departments, coupled with Walker's cuts to shared revenue).
 
I think they should have included the police and firefighters in the budget cuts. What's the worse that could happen? Worse case scenario the governor has to call out the national guard to ensure public safety.
 
zsdersw said:
I know what his point was... and my response took that into account. Police calling in sick en masse? Exceedingly rare.. happening a total of 3 times in US history, IIRC. Contrast that to teacher strikes... and the difference is night-and-day.
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Okay, I gotta call you on the "3 times in US history."

A very quick Google search of "blue flu how many strike" came up with these results:

http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2011/01/03/east-st-louis-cops-get-a-bad-case-of-the-blue-flu/

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-01-19/local/me-13216_1_police-departments

http://firegeezer.com/2010/05/23/blue-flu-strikes-mobile-fd/

http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/story.aspx?id=439865

And there are a lot more results. Based on that, I do not think it highly improbable that we would have seen blue flu if Walker had included the police/FF unions.

As a side note, I had no idea "Blue Flu" was actually a real sickness.
 
zsdersw said:
I know what his point was... and my response took that into account. Police calling in sick en masse? Exceedingly rare.. happening a total of 3 times in US history, IIRC. Contrast that to teacher strikes... and the difference is night-and-day.
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Never heard of the blue flu?
 
Meanwhile:

PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- The financially troubled city of Providence on Tuesday issued layoff notices to all its nearly 2,000 teachers because city officials say they must make an unknown number of cuts in the budget, and they want "maximum flexibility."
State law requires departments to notify teachers by March 1 if they will be laid off the following school year. The notices do not mean that the teachers will lose their jobs, just that they could at the end of the year.

School Superintendent Tom Brady on Tuesday wrote to teachers that the school budget outline for the next academic year is dire, with a projected deficit of nearly $40 million.
Providence Teachers Union President Steve Smith told The Providence Journal the decision was "beyond insane" and creates chaos and anxiety among teachers.

Providence's financial problems have caused enough alarm at the state level that Gov. Lincoln Chafee has instructed two of his top fiscal officers to meet with city officials. A recent audit showed Providence had nearly depleted its rainy-day fund and overspent its budget last year by more than $57 million. This year's budget gap is expected to be even larger.

Mayor Angel Taveras last month created a Municipal Review Panel to review the city budget across all departments. It will offer recommendations to the mayor in the next two weeks.
Taveras said in a statement that although he was sensitive to the uncertainty and anxiety that many teachers felt when they received the notice, "putting Providence back on solidhttp://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/2...ues-layoff-notices-teachers/?test=latestnews# footing will require shared sacrifice across our community."
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Goddamn Walker is taking away THEIR rights too!
 
The financially troubled city of Providence on Tuesday issued layoff notices to all its nearly 2,000 teachers because city officials say they must make an unknown number of cuts in the budget, and they want "maximum flexibility."
State law requires departments to notify teachers by March 1 if they will be laid off the following school year. The notices do not mean that the teachers will lose their jobs, just that they could at the end of the year.
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Yes, I'm sure that causes a lot of anxiety. But that was going to happen anyway.

But with that notice in hand they are now free to look for other (teaching) jobs. You don't want to be faced with that at the last minute.

Fern
 
JockoJohnson said:
Never heard of the blue flu?
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Yup, I have... and it's no more common among WI police than official "strikes" are in the US.

tk149 said:
Okay, I gotta call you on the "3 times in US history."

A very quick Google search of "blue flu how many strike" came up with these results:

http://www.redstate.com/laborunionre...-the-blue-flu/

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-01-...ce-departments

http://firegeezer.com/2010/05/23/blu...kes-mobile-fd/

http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/...aspx?id=439865

And there are a lot more results. Based on that, I do not think it highly improbable that we would have seen blue flu if Walker had included the police/FF unions.

As a side note, I had no idea "Blue Flu" was actually a real sickness.
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It is highly improbable that WI would have a case of the police/FF "blue flu", especially one that would have a real impact on public safety. From what I can find, it's never happened here.

Aside from that.. of those examples you listed, in how many was there lawlessness, vandalism, and other risks to public safety?
 
pcgeek11 said:
Neither can teacher .... Oh wait they practically are. They should pull a reagan and give them 48 hours to return to work or they are fired.
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And teachers pull sh!t like this *a lot* more often than police/firefighters... so when gauging risk of strike/blue flu in WI it's not a smart idea to use teachers as a guide to how police/firefighters will behave.
 
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