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Gov. Walker and WI's master plan

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spidey07 said:
That's what they did in November. The employer, that is the tax payer, said NO more to the contract and demanding their elected officials follow through on dismantling it. They DID take it up with their elected official. As it stands now the republicans are not budging on this issue because they say the overwhelming majority of their constituents have been calling/writing in to tell them to keep it up.

This is what THE PEOPLE want. All you communist union lovers are in the minority and the adults are in charge now. The historic election of 2010 changed everything especially at the state level. Now you're seeing change the people can believe in. Only the most hard core leftists/marxist don't support this change.
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ROFL. There goes Spidey with his We, the People shtick again. We might take you a bit more seriously if you didn't run away and hide (like a Wisconsin Democrat) whenever public opinion disagrees with you ... like the majority of Americans who approve of Obama and not the Tea Party.

As to the Wisconsin issue, unlike most of the people in this thread who've suddenly pronounced themselves experts in WI politics, I will abstain. It certainly reeks of contrived crisis to deny American's right to collective bargaining. I suspect the whole story is a bit more involved, however.

Oh, and Cad, your theft theory is ridiculous.
 
Bowfinger said:
ROFL. There goes Spidey with his We, the People shtick again. We might take you a bit more seriously if you didn't run away and hide (like a Wisconsin Democrat) whenever public opinion disagrees with you ... like the majority of Americans who approve of Obama and not the Tea Party.

As to the Wisconsin issue, unlike most of the people in this thread who've suddenly pronounced themselves experts in WI politics, I will abstain. It certainly reeks of contrived crisis to deny American's right to collective bargaining. I suspect the whole story is a bit more involved, however.

Oh, and Cad, your theft theory is ridiculous.
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Please define this right to collective bargaining for me? For whom does it exist? What are its limitations?
 
Bowfinger said:
ROFL. There goes Spidey with his We, the People shtick again. We might take you a bit more seriously if you didn't run away and hide (like a Wisconsin Democrat) whenever public opinion disagrees with you ... like the majority of Americans who approve of Obama and not the Tea Party.

As to the Wisconsin issue, unlike most of the people in this thread who've suddenly pronounced themselves experts in WI politics, I will abstain. It certainly reeks of contrived crisis to deny American's right to collective bargaining. I suspect the whole story is a bit more involved, however.

Oh, and Cad, your theft theory is ridiculous.
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Well, he has a valid point with Wisconsin; a historically very blue state became a very red state. Not every state still wants to be Greece.

And the Messiah's appeal to the majority has dropped again; he's now below 50% on every major poll. Even last week's CBS poll couldn't polish that turd sufficiently to retain majority support in their sample. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Except for Rasmussen he does still have slightly higher approval than disapproval, which is not so terrible in today's highly polarized society in a crap economy. But his bump has disappeared from the results. The Tea Party on the other hand, although it's approval rating last I heard (CNN) was twenty points below Obama's, also held a disapproval rating twenty points below Obama's. As astounding as it may seem, a quarter of CNN respondents had never heard of the Tea Party.
 
Man, how did you right wingers get to this fantasyland where you save money by banning negotiation? You gonna try that in the business world too? LOLZ
 
Ldir said:
O rly?
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Seems I did. Sorry, I should have stated, public union employee. Meaning an employee that doesn't negotiate their own wages and benefits and has the union do it for them. The subject of the thread. But alas, I wasn't clear - I apologize.
 
Throckmorton said:
Man, how did you right wingers get to this fantasyland where you save money by banning negotiation? You gonna try that in the business world too? LOLZ
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In the business world it is illegal for suppliers to all collude together to set minimum prices on goods or services. That is exactly what the union is doing and as such should be illegal which is what this biill seeks to achieve. Bringing some reality to their racket.
 
Red Dawn said:
Gov Walker takes a page out of Moammar Gadhafi'di's handbook and blocks access to Pro Union Website
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From your link:
Wisconsin Democratic Party press secretary Graeme Zielinski blamed Gov. Scott Walker and Republican lawmakers -- who returned to work Tuesday -- for causing the outage.

"In a direct assault on the First Amendment, Scott Walker's administration is blocking access in the Wisconsin Capitol to opposition websites," Zielinski said.

State Department of Administration spokeswoman Carla Vigue responded, saying, "DOA's security software automatically blocked the site, as it does all new websites."

"No one here at DOA decided to block it or took action to do so," he said. "The website is handled like any other website."

The Capitol internet service, which restricts access to certain websites considered inappropriate for lawmakers, revealed a "blocked page" when users tried to access the site using the building's wireless system.

Users were able to access the site elsewhere.
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I'm sure if you try a bit harder you can link him directly to Hitler. Why settle for the little lie when the big lie is within grasp?
 
CADsortaGUY said:
Seems I did. Sorry, I should have stated, public union employee. Meaning an employee that doesn't negotiate their own wages and benefits and has the union do it for them. The subject of the thread. But alas, I wasn't clear - I apologize.
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Are you saying workers don't have the right to collectively bargain, like corporations do?
 
CADsortaGUY said:
Seems I did. Sorry, I should have stated, public union employee. Meaning an employee that doesn't negotiate their own wages and benefits and has the union do it for them. The subject of the thread. But alas, I wasn't clear - I apologize.
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It isn't theft for public union employees either. They are paid per the contract their employer signed. It doesn't matter who negotiated for the employees.
 
Throckmorton said:
Block "all new websites". So they have to manually allow every single domain because they're all automatically blocked? I call shenanigans.
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Most proxy servers will default to block a site it cannot categorize which happens all the time if the site is new.

The more you know!
 
Marlin1975 said:
So if its on the internet it must be true. I mean this is a "fail and balanced" site right. Thats why they don;t say how they got those numbers. 😀
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They got the numbers from the school board if you watched the video of a board member reading the compensation information for the avg teacher in the district. Watch the video and forward to the :48 mark.
 
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Ldir said:
It isn't theft for public union employees either. They are paid per the contract their employer signed. It doesn't matter who negotiated for the employees.
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If that's your opinion - great. I don't hold the same opinion. I think taxation in it's current form is theft as in I don't have a choice as to the tax I pay. There are some that are, like sales tax and others, but taxing a man's labor is theft IMO - and these people think they are entitled to it and encouraging the theft. Just my opinion. 🙂
 
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