Gov. Chris Christie in hot water over Bridge Scandal

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Jimzz

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I said from the start Christie would never recover from this scandal.

He is a sinking ship at this point, the rats will start fleeing soon enough and then the whole deck of cards will just topple over. He has no chance against Hilary at this point, even if he miraculously kept his post as governor. Damage to credibility is done, say goodbye to the best GOP candidate.


1 of his aids has said they will speak if they get immunity. So I am guessing they have something either on him or people even closer to him.
 

nageov3t

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I said from the start Christie would never recover from this scandal.

He is a sinking ship at this point, the rats will start fleeing soon enough and then the whole deck of cards will just topple over. He has no chance against Hilary at this point, even if he miraculously kept his post as governor. Damage to credibility is done, say goodbye to the best GOP candidate.

I know MSNBC likes to see him as the 2016 GOP nominee as they justify devoting endless, breathless coverage to this story hour after hour, but he was never going to win the nomination.

best case scenario, he's the Rudy Giuliani of 2016, scoring high in early, early polls because of name recognition, but he's too far outside where the bulk of the GOP is currently to ever win the primaries.
 

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I know MSNBC likes to see him as the 2016 GOP nominee as they justify devoting endless, breathless coverage to this story hour after hour, but he was never going to win the nomination.

best case scenario, he's the Rudy Giuliani of 2016, scoring high in early, early polls because of name recognition, but he's too far outside where the bulk of the GOP is currently to ever win the primaries.

Roger Ailes tried to talk him into a 2012 run. Even if he doesn't have the credentials, with Fox news behind him the primaries would be a formality.
 

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Roger Ailes tried to talk him into a 2012 run. Even if he doesn't have the credentials, with Fox news behind him the primaries would be a formality.

Imagine that vs the outrage over Rachel Maddow running the inital stories on bridgegate.
 

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FATMAN FATMAN OMAHA HUT!!

Keep the fatman around for as long as possible going into the midterms. Let every week be an education to the public of the wickedness of Republican governance. This thug, this Christie, this giant dinosaur egg in suspended trousers! Not only is the man's guilt assured, it must have been anticipated once Obama slipped Chrisite that extra rope in Sandy relief.

See the Republicans tried to stop the relief to New Jersey, they knew their kind can't help themselves but parlor in cheap mafioso bullying. But the aid got through and Christie had an election to win who seems to have gone ballistic to ensure victory. What is it about these Republicans and their henchman?

Nixon, Reagan, the Bushes. Under them all, are exceptional villains. Some sort of quasi evolutionary survival of the fittest element in every cabinet. Where there always, ALWAYS some wide-eyed right wing radical drooling from the incisors. "They are the children of Bunno voters", "this little Serbian", "looks like there is going to be some traffic"
 
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FATMAN FATMAN OMAHA HUT!!

Keep the fatman around for as long as possible going into the midterms. Let every week be an education to the public of the wickedness of Republican governance. This thug, this Christie, this giant dinosaur egg in suspended trousers! Not only is the man's guilt assured, it must have been anticipated once Obama slipped Chrisite that extra rope in Sandy relief.

See the Republicans tried to stop the relief to New Jersey, they knew their kind can't help themselves but parlor in cheap mafioso bullying. But the aid got through and Christie had an election to win who seems to have gone ballistic to ensure victory. What is it about these Republicans and their henchman?

Nixon, Reagan, the Bushes. Under them all, are exceptional villains. Some sort of quasi evolutionary survival of the fittest element in every cabinet. Where there always, ALWAYS some wide-eyed right wing radical drooling from the incisors. "They are the children of Bunno voters", "this little Serbian", "looks like there is going to be some traffic"
:rolleyes:
 

Moonbeam

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But imagine if in fact the conservative brain defect that rationalizes Christi behavior is destroying our civilization. It's really hard, I would imagine, not to be pissed. Death by fucking morons is a terrible way to go because it's not necessary for folk to be that brain dead. I don't want to excuse it. I just want to see it from that point of view. The ordinary person has no way to compete with the right wing media machine that is killing rational thinking. You know what real Americans did to the fucking British who were brain dead too. The fact that people won't look at themselves means death by eye for eye.
 
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But imagine if in fact the conservative brain defect that rationalizes Christi behavior is destroying our civilization. It's really hard, I would imagine, not to be pissed. Death by fucking morons is a terrible way to go because it's not necessary for folk to be that brain dead. I don't want to excuse it. I just want to see it from that point of view. The ordinary person has no way to compete with the right wing media machine that is killing rational thinking. You know what real Americans did to the fucking British who were brain dead too. The fact that people won't look at themselves means death by eye for eye.
Who's rationalizing Christie's behavior? All I could see was the musings of a wide-eyed left wing radical drooling from his incisors and using this scandal to rationalize his hatred for everything Republican. What do you see? Rational, intelligent and insightful thinking?
 

Moonbeam

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Who's rationalizing Christie's behavior? All I could see was the musings of a wide-eyed left wing radical drooling from his incisors and using this scandal to rationalize his hatred for everything Republican. What do you see? Rational, intelligent and insightful thinking?

We know between liberals and conservatives who rationalizes the most. That has been established by science. We know also that the conservative need for rationalization results in a bubble world mentality that is so counter reality as to pose a threat to the nation. We see that conservatives are hell bent on saying no to everything. All I am asking you is to consider what you would feel if you could actually see all of this, see that the conservative is dangerous even to himself. What you call wide-eyed left wing radical drooling I would describe more as the natural panic one would feel awakening in a world full of Zombies. People react to threat.
 
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We know between liberals and conservatives who rationalizes the most. That has been established by science. We know also that the conservative need for rationalization results in a bubble world mentality that is so counter reality as to pose a threat to the nation. We see that conservatives are hell bent on saying no to everything. All I am asking you is to consider what you would feel if you could actually see all of this, see that the conservative is dangerous even to himself. What you call wide-eyed left wing radical drooling I would describe more as the natural panic one would feel awakening in a world full of Zombies. People react to threat.
Scientific evidence supports the fact that moderates/conservatives understand liberals much better than liberals understand moderates/conservatives. You worldview reflects this biologically inherent self-deception in my estimation. Liberal fear centers (amygdala) have also been scientifically proven by neuroscience to be generally underdeveloped when compared to conservatives...this helps explain why irrational fears are so prevalent among liberals. Consider these two possibilities...you don't understand conservatives (liberal brain defect), and there is no actual threat...just an irrational perception of threat resulting from underdeveloped neural wiring (liberal brain defect).
 
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werepossum

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We know between liberals and conservatives who rationalizes the most. That has been established by science. We know also that the conservative need for rationalization results in a bubble world mentality that is so counter reality as to pose a threat to the nation. We see that conservatives are hell bent on saying no to everything. All I am asking you is to consider what you would feel if you could actually see all of this, see that the conservative is dangerous even to himself. What you call wide-eyed left wing radical drooling I would describe more as the natural panic one would feel awakening in a world full of Zombies. People react to threat.
Come on, Moonie, even you have to admit the incredible irony in claiming on the one hand that conservatives have defective, fear-ridden brains and on the other hand claiming that you feel "the natural panic one would feel awakening in a world full of Zombies."
 

Phokus

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Scientific evidence supports the fact that moderates/conservatives understand liberals much better than liberals understand moderates/conservatives. You worldview reflects this biologically inherent self-deception in my estimation. Liberal fear centers (amygdala) have also been scientifically proven by neuroscience to be generally underdeveloped when compared to conservatives...this helps explain why irrational fears are so prevalent among liberals. Consider these two possibilities...you don't understand conservatives (liberal brain defect), and there is no actual threat...just an irrational perception of threat resulting from underdeveloped neural wiring (liberal brain defect).

Conservatives definitely have larger amygdala's, yes, but as usual with conservatives and science/facts/logic, your conclusion is the OPPOSITE of what's true. Having a larger amygdala is associated with MORE FEAR. This is why conservatives fear homosexuals, muslims, blacks, hispanics, fearing going to hell etc. at irrational levels.

Liberals, however, have more grey matter, which helps them cope with complexity, that is why you'll find more liberal scientists.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds

Edit: Not surprisingly, conservative trust in science is at an all time low:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...ervatives-trust-of-science-hits-all-time-low-
 
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Conservatives definitely have larger amygdala's, yes, but as usual with conservatives and science/facts/logic, your conclusion is the OPPOSITE of what's true. Having a larger amygdala is associated with MORE FEAR. This is why conservatives fear homosexuals, muslims, blacks, hispanics, fearing going to hell etc. at irrational levels.

Liberals, however, have more grey matter, which helps them cope with complexity, that is why you'll find more liberal scientists.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds

Edit: Not surprisingly, conservative trust in science is at an all time low:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...ervatives-trust-of-science-hits-all-time-low-
Tuschman found that conservatives were more perceptive than liberals to threatening or dominating emotions on facial images. They were also faster than liberals in processing the dominant emotions on these faces. Conservatives recognize and process potential threat much more accurately than liberals.

The remainder of your post is mostly just crap you made up without any proof and affirms a the common brain defect among liberals which is that liberals have an very difficult time understanding moderates/conservatives.
 
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Phokus

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Tuschman found that conservatives were more perceptive than liberals to threatening or dominating emotions on facial images. They were also faster than liberals in processing the dominant emotions on these faces. Conservatives recognize and process potential threat much more accurately than liberals.

The remainder of your post is just crap you made up and affirms a the common brain defect among liberals which is that liberals have an very difficult time understanding moderates/conservatives.

Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals. The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity.

Uh huh. You're good at spinning, i can see that. Another way of explaining it is that conservatives are giant pussies that are easily scared and that explains why they're scared of so many god damned things and overreact in the policy decisions.

Remember what you said:

Liberal fear centers (amygdala) have also been scientifically proven by neuroscience to be generally underdeveloped when compared to conservatives...this helps explain why irrational fears are so prevalent among liberals.

No, liberals fear centers are not as developed and not as 'jumpy', which this study convfirms.
 
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Moonbeam

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Scientific evidence supports the fact that moderates/conservatives understand liberals much better than liberals understand moderates/conservatives. You worldview reflects this biologically inherent self-deception in my estimation. Liberal fear centers (amygdala) have also been scientifically proven by neuroscience to be generally underdeveloped when compared to conservatives...this helps explain why irrational fears are so prevalent among liberals. Consider these two possibilities...you don't understand conservatives (liberal brain defect), and there is no actual threat...just an irrational perception of threat resulting from underdeveloped neural wiring (liberal brain defect).

God damn it. Conservatives understand liberals better than liberals understand conservatives because conservatives and liberals share two of I forget, 7 moral perceptions. Liberals do not have loyalty to the group, purity, obedience to authority type moralities and do not understand them, in short, aren't in fear of the violation of such things. Please don't use the word understand to imply that conservatives have greater understanding. Liberals lack an understanding of what makes conservatives so incomprehensibly inane. What I do is explain that to them.

As far as lacking the same capacity to allow fear to influence rational thinking, your implication that having a fear center that is undeveloped and a critical thinking skill that is able to set fear aside in determining what is rational, explains why any kind of fear, especially irrational ones, are less common in liberals than in conservatives, not the other way round. You are just standing logic on its head. You are rationalizing to avoid unpleasant facts. This is what the conservative brain has been scientifically demonstrated to do more than liberals. I am very sorry.

It is also a fact that conservative leaning neuroscientists see their mental condition as a threat to human survival. They are trying to find a way to get past the conservative brain defect that creates a bubble reality of denial. You should help.

The conservative brain becomes a threat to its group when there is no external threat. It turns inward and consumes itself. We can only hope you become what you eat before the table is cleared.
 

Moonbeam

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Come on, Moonie, even you have to admit the incredible irony in claiming on the one hand that conservatives have defective, fear-ridden brains and on the other hand claiming that you feel "the natural panic one would feel awakening in a world full of Zombies."

Do you equate the danger of Boogie Men in the closet to the threat of nuclear war. Fight or flight are survival mechanisms. The function of a rational person is to know what is which. There is no doubt at all to anybody who can think that huge numbers of the conservative brains we find in the US today are profoundly sick and dangerous to themselves and the rest of us. Very sorry, also.
 

nageov3t

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not to derail the thread by posting something on-topic, but...

U.S. attorney subpoenas Christie's reelection campaign, state GOP party

The U.S. Attorney’s office in New Jersey has subpoenaed Gov. Chris Christie’s reelection campaign and the state Republican party for documents related to the George Washington Bridge lane closure controversy, an attorney for the two groups confirmed Thursday.
Both groups “intend to cooperate” with the U.S. attorney and a separate state legislative panel that subpoenaed the Republican leader’s campaign earlier this month, said the attorney, Mark Sheridan.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/chris-christie-campaign-subpoena-102522.html#ixzz2rFdZLh9M
 

Moonbeam

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Also, Doc Savage Fan, don't forget that there's a negative correlation to conservativism and cognitive ability (which would totally explain conservatives here):

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=295865

They are genius level at kidding themselves. Their rationalizations are like mazes from which no exit is possible. Your job, should you choose to accept it, is to turn them into hedge cutters.