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Originally posted by: lozina
solution: rebuild city but this time build a giant glass dome with waterproof seals. That way water level can rise all it wants and it will be dry inside. greenhouse effect might be beneficial as people can just cook meat on the burning hot streets and save on fuel/charcoal.
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Turn that bowl upside down? :laugh:

Sorry, just a moment of levity
 
Uh, New Orleans is NOT on the ocean.
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Correct! Its on a soppy marsh, which owes its existance to sediment flowing down the Mississippi river and building up as it settles in the Gulf.

Buy one of those plastic kiddie pools, fill it with about four inches of water, toss a few shovels of loose dirt in the center until the center of the dirt pile is a couple inches above the water level, then press your palm into the dirt until it is at the water level and moisture is barely starting to seep into the palm print.

Cool? You now have a scale model of what New Orleans was built on.

Take to local science fair and title your exhibit "300 Years of Stupidity". Win grand prize.
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Uh, New Orleans is NOT on the ocean.
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Correct! Its on a soppy marsh, which owes its existance to sediment flowing down the Mississippi river and building up as it settles in the Gulf.

Buy one of those plastic kiddie pools, fill it with about four inches of water, toss a few shovels of loose dirt in the center until the center of the dirt pile is a couple inches above the water level, then press your palm into the dirt until it is at the water level and moisture is barely starting to seep into the palm print.

Cool? You now have a scale model of what New Orleans was built on.

Take to local science fair and title your exhibit "300 Years of Stupidity". Win grand prize.
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I see you live in California.
*grabs can opener for can of worms*

 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: rahvin
Man can build anything to withstand anything, short of a cometary impact. It's simply a matter of money. I could easily design leevies that could withstand a 400' tidal wave of molten lead moving at 600mph, you just wouldn't want to pay for it.
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I'm not talking about an underground bunker 😀

My point still stands. There are no levies nor man-made devices sufficient to protect an entire modern city from a Category 5 Hurricane. Period.
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Your point doesn't stand, although one doesn't exist right now it would not be difficult to build one, it would only cost a fortune. Please don't say we can't do something we quite clearly could when the only thing preventing it is the cost.
 
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Tab
Get the people out of the city make sure they get some form of aid. Then let them go...

The city is basically gone, unless it's somehow worthwhile to rebuild the city. You'll have to convice me on that one.
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Then it's a good thing your just a little geek behind a screen without any input into the situation nor might I add will you be doing anything to help rebuild it so why don't you just stop using the "we" monikor. The people of NO will rebuild their city using the insurance money they recieve if they see fit, it's not up to you nor will it ever be.
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Many of them were under insured or not even insured at all.
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and Im willing to bet 90% didn't have flood insurance. I pay an extra $500 a year for flood insurance
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A friend of mine has flood insurance as well, or so she thought. Apparently, her home insurance policy only covered water coming up from the ground, not water coming in from other sources. Guess how she found out? During a severe thunderstorm where the lake by her increased and flooded her basement. Aren't caveats fun?
 
stand firm? wtf?

she is doing a poor job as her state has reacted to this disaster like a third world country would, if not worse. the state, the country were not even aware of the potential even though the forecasters had said it was serious

but wait, since she is a Democrat, lets all forgive her and let her have a free pass :disgust:

she should be held accountable and so should the authorities in charge of emergency aid and relief.

the USA has reacted to this disaster worse than others countries, even countries much poorer than we. and we are supposed to be the world's richest country

not if you have been watching your tv lately
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
stand firm? wtf?

she is doing a poor job as her state has reacted to this disaster like a third world country would, if not worse. the state, the country were not even aware of the potential even though the forecasters had said it was serious

but wait, since she is a Democrat, lets all forgive her and let her have a free pass :disgust:

she should be held accountable and so should the authorities in charge of emergency aid and relief.

the USA has reacted to this disaster worse than others countries, even countries much poorer than we. and we are supposed to be the world's richest country

not if you have been watching your tv lately
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democrat or not she is a disgrace. She can not even issue a public announcment without being on the verge or tears.
 
Originally posted by: suse920
Originally posted by: raildogg
stand firm? wtf?

she is doing a poor job as her state has reacted to this disaster like a third world country would, if not worse. the state, the country were not even aware of the potential even though the forecasters had said it was serious

but wait, since she is a Democrat, lets all forgive her and let her have a free pass :disgust:

she should be held accountable and so should the authorities in charge of emergency aid and relief.

the USA has reacted to this disaster worse than others countries, even countries much poorer than we. and we are supposed to be the world's richest country

not if you have been watching your tv lately
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democrat or not she is a disgrace. She can not even issue a public announcment without being on the verge or tears.
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good points

i didn't want to give a wrong message.

i blame all our politicians involved in this crisis, republican or democrat. but since this thread is about praising her, i thought i'd bring in some reality. she is equally to blame as Bush is, if not more.
 
Originally posted by: suse920

democrat or not she is a disgrace.

She can not even issue a public announcment without being on the verge or tears.
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I'll take those tears over a sack of lies anyday.
 
Who cares let the blue staters drown. Maybe they could all swim to France.

But seriously build a city that is 6 feet below sea level in the path of hurricanes is kinda arrogant.
 
They can and will rebuild New Orleans. It's like saying if a total devastaion hit Boston or any other major city for that matter they would not rebuild it. Would be a pretty cr4ppy nation if we wouldn't rebuild anything that got devastated. And many in California crying that New Orleans should not be rebuilt would be crying for parts of Cali to get rebuilt if an earthquake hit and messed up and killed 100's/thousands of people.
 
Originally posted by: xaeniac
They can and will rebuild New Orleans. It's like saying if a total devastaion hit Boston or any other major city for that matter they would not rebuild it. Would be a pretty cr4ppy nation if we wouldn't rebuild anything that got devastated. And many in California crying that New Orleans should not be rebuilt would be crying for parts of Cali to get rebuilt if an earthquake hit and messed up and killed 100's/thousands of people.
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Except for the fact that is law to not rebuild in flood prone areas unless those who do some take the financial risk that is involved. No where is it being stated that rebuilding of NO will be subject to that rule.

They forced many families off the Miss. the last major flood and turned their land over to the government. Why not hold New Orleans to the same standard? Rebuilding it sounds good but is a fraudulent waste of money. There is nothing cruel, inhumane, or wrong in moving the damn city.

It reminds me of that damn Monty Python Castle skit about the Swamp King.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Uh, New Orleans is NOT on the ocean. Go crack open an atlas.
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Like it makes a difference whether it's an ocean or the Gulf. It's still right next to a huge body of water and ocean or gulf really makes no difference as to its vunerability.

However, NO will be rebuilt because it's a major port in the US, if not THE major port in the US. It's far too important not to rebuild it.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
stand firm? wtf?

she is doing a poor job as her state has reacted to this disaster like a third world country would, if not worse. the state, the country were not even aware of the potential even though the forecasters had said it was serious

but wait, since she is a Democrat, lets all forgive her and let her have a free pass :disgust:

she should be held accountable and so should the authorities in charge of emergency aid and relief.

the USA has reacted to this disaster worse than others countries, even countries much poorer than we. and we are supposed to be the world's richest country

not if you have been watching your tv lately
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Oh, free pass because she's a Democrat? Hardly. I didn't know she was a Democrat until a couple of days ago.

BTW, check out this rough transcript of Mayor Nagin's conference late Thur.:
I mean to dictate and to manage military resources down here and I'll fix it for you. You call him right now and you call the governor and you tell them to deligate the power that they have to the mayor of New Orleans and we'll get this damn thing fixed.

It's politics man and they are playing games and they are spinning it. They are out there spinning for the cameras.

> But can't they just... If nothing else look at 25% of their energy coming from this state is not flowing through the pipelines. We are on the verge of anarchy. Can't they understand that if nothing else they are going to be hurt politically?

I don't know what they are doing. I mean the airconditioning must be good, because I haven't had any in 5 days. And maybe there's some smoke coming out of the airconditioning unit that is clogging some folks' vision.

> Have you talked to the president.

I've talked directly to the pResident. I've talked to the head of Homeland Security.

> What they say?

I've talked to everybody under the sun. I've been out there. I've flown these helicopters. Been in the crowds. Talking to people. Crying. Don't know where their relatives are. I've done it all, man!

And I'll tell you, man: I'll keep hearing that it is coming This is coming. That is coming. And my answer to that today is: BS! Where is the beef? There is no beef in this city. There is no beef anywhere in south-east Louisiana and these goddamned ships which are coming: I don't see them!

> What did you say to the pResident of the United States and what did he say to you?

I basically told him that we had an incredible crisis here and that him flying over it on AirForce One does not do it justice and that I have been all around this city and I am very frustrated because we are not able to master resources and we are outmaned in about every respect.

Do you know the reason why the looters got out of control? Because we had most of our resources saving people, 1000s of people that where stuck in attics, man. The old ladies. When you pull of the ventilator vents and look down there and standing there in water upto their fricking neck.

They don't have a clue what is going on down there. They flew down here. One time. Two days after the doggawn event was over with TV cameras, AP reports, all kinds of goddamn - excuse my French everybody in America, but I am pissed.

> Did you say to the pResident of the United States. I need the military in here?

I said I need everything. Now, We'll tell you this: I'll give the pResident some credit on this. He send one John Wayne dude down here that can get some stuff done and his name is General Armery(sp?) and he came of the doggawn chopper and he started cussing and people started moving and he is getting some stuff done. They are going to give that guy - don't give it to me - full authority to get the job done and we can safe some people.

> What do you need right now to get control of this situation?

I need reinforcements. I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man and we are talking - one of the briefings we were talking about public school bus drivers and come down here and bus people.

I'm like you gotta be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggawn Greyhound busline in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans. That's them thinking small, man and this a major, major, MAJOR deal. And I can't emphasise it enough, man. This is crazy

I've got 15-20,000 people over there at the Convention Center. It is bursting at the seems. The poor people in Tammany(?) Parish. They are airevacing people over here in New Orleans. We don't have anything and we are sharing with our brothers in Tammany Parish. It is awful down here.

> Do you believe that the pResident is seeing this and holding news conferences on this, but can't do anything until Kathlyn Blanco requested to do it and do you know whether or not she has made that request.

I have no idea what they are doing, but I will tell you this: You know God is looking down on all this and if they are not doing everything in their power to safe people they are going to pay the price. Because everyday that people delay, people are dying! And they are dying by the hunderds down there. I'm willing to bet ya.

We are getting reports and calls that are breaking my heart from people saying: I've been in my attic. I can't take it anymore. The water is upto my neck. I don't think I can hold out and that is happening as we speak.

And you know what really upsets me, G... (?)
We told everybody of the importance of the 17th Canal Street issue. We said please, please take care of this and we don't care what you do figure it out.

> Who did you say that to?

Everybody! Governor, Homeland Security, FEMA, you name it - we've said it and - you know - they've allowed that pumping station next to pumping station 6 to go under water. People to stay there and endanger their lives. And what happened was that when that pumping station went down, the water started flowing again into the city and it started to get to levels that probably killed more people.

In addition to that, we had water flowing through the pipes of this city. That's a powerstation over there. So there is no water flowing anymore on the East bank of New Orleans Parish. The critical water supply was destroyed, because of lack of action.

> Why couldn't they drop the 3000 pound sand bags or the containers that they were talking about earlier? Was it an enginering feat that just couldn't be done?

They said it was some pullies that they had to manufactor, but you know in a state of emergency you are crazy and you figure out ways to get stuff done. Then they told me that they went overnight and that they build 17 concrete structures and that they had the pullies on them and that we are going to drop them.

I flew over that thing yesterday and it is in the same shape that it was after the storm hit. There is nothing happening! And they are feeding the public a line of bull and it's spinning and people are dying down there

> If some of the public called and they are right. There is a law that the pResident, the federal government can't do anything without local or state request would you request Martial Law?

I've already called for martial law in the city of New Orleans. We did that a few days ago.

> Did the governor do that too?

I don't know. I don't think so. But we called for martial law when we realised that the looting was getting out of control and we directed all police officers to direct them to controlling the streets. They were dirty, dead tired from saving people, but they worked all night because we thought that this thing was going to blow wide open last night, so we redirected all of our resources and held it under check. I'm not sure whether we can do that another night with the current resources and I am telling you right now:

They are showing all these reports of people looting and doing all the weird stuff - and there are doing that - but people are desperate and they are trying to find food and water. The majority of them. And you've got some knuckleheads out there and they are taking advantage of this lawless, this situation where - you know - we can't really control it and they are doing some awful, awful things, but that's a small minority of the people.

Most of the people are looking to try and survive. And one of these things. Nobody talked about these things. Drugs flowing in and out of New Orleans and the surrounding metropolitan area so freely it was scary to me and that's why we had the escalation in Murrays. People don't want to talk about this, but I want to talk about this.

You had drug addicts that are now walking around this city looking for a fix and that's the reason why they were breaking in hospitals and drugstores. They are looking for something to take the edge off their Jones if you will and right now they don't have anything to take the edge off and they've probably found guns, so what you see is drugstarving, crazy addicts - drugaddicts that are reacking havoc and we don't have the manpower to deal with it. We can only target certain sections of the city and form a perimeter around them and hope to God that we are not overrun.

> Well you and I must be in the minority, because apparantly there is a section of our citizenry out there that thinks that because of a law that the Federal Government can't come unless requested by the proper people. That everything which is going on to this point has been done as good as it can possibly be.

Really??

> I know you don't really feel that way?

Well did the Tsunami victims request. Go through a formal process to send a request?
Did the Iraqi people request that we go in there? Did they ask us to go in there?

What is more important? This is - I tell you man - I'm probably going to get in a whole bunch of problem. I probably get in so much trouble it ain't even funny. They don't even want to deal with me after this interview is over.

> You and I will be in the funny place together.

But... we authorized 8(0) billion dollars to go to Iraq. After 9/11 we gave the pResident unprecedented powers to take of New York and other places. You mean to tell me where most of y'all is coming through. A place that is so unique. When you mention New Orleans all over the world, everybody's eyes light up. You mean to tell me that a place where you probably have 1000s of people that have died and 1000s more that are dying everyday - that we can't figure out a way to authorize the resources that we need?

C'mon man. I'm not one of the those drug addicts - I am thinking very clearly and I don't know whose problem it is. I don't know whether it is the governor's problem. I don't know whether it is the president's problem. But somebody needs to get their ass on the plane and sit down - the two of them - and figure this out right now!

> What can we do here.

Keep talking about it.

> We'll do that. What else can we do?

Organize people to write letters to their congressmen (email), to the president, to the governor. Flood their doggawn offices with requests to do something. This is ridiculous. I don't want to see anybody to anymore goddamn press conferences. Put a moratorium on press conferences. Don't do another press conference until the resources are in this city and then come down to the city and spend with us when there are military trucks and troops that we can't even count. Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming in. THEY ARE NOT HERE! It's too doggawn late! Get off your asses and let's do something and let's fix the biggest doggawn crisis in the history of this country

> I'll say it right now: You are the only politician that has called and called for arms like this and whatever it takes the governor, president, whatever law president it takes, whatever it takes, I'll bet that the people listening to you are on your side

Well, I hope so Garland. I am at the point now where it don't matter. People are dying. They don't have homes. They don't have jobs. The city of New Orleans will never be the same ... in this time ...

> That's mayor Nagin in an interview ...
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Listen to it here:
http://www.libera.be/files/nagin.mp3


The Gov. has been more polite in her interviews today but feels much the same way. She asked for troops on Tuesday.
 
Originally posted by: werk
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Oh...so on the side with forest fires and mudslides.
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Nope, I'm in the central valley. The only thing we have to worry about here are mosquitos.
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Oh really?
One more for good measure.
Short memory?

So, so far, we've got earthquakes, fires, mudslides, floods...christ, this state is a regular hellhole!
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Good thing not everybody from New York is as ignorant as you. CA is almost the size of the Eastern Seaboard. If you compare all the natural disasters that hapeen yearly on the whole Eastern Seaboard with those that happen in CA you'd realize that CA isn't any more disaster prone than the Eastern Seaboard. In fact on a yearly basis there are more natural disasters on the Eastern Seaboard, especially in the southern portion of it.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
In her press conference tonight:
"I have 2 issues to talk about.

#1 300 Arkansas guard troops just back from Iraq are now in New Orleans. They are under my orders to restore order immediately. They are armed with M15s and are trained to use them. They are battle tested. They will restore order. The people who are interfering with our attempt to help the people of New Orleans will no longer be tolerated. We are expecting the other troops that I have DEMANDED soon.

#2. Dennis Hastert said today that we should not rebuild New Orleans. I DEMAND an apology, and I DEMAND it immediately."
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There ya go, Governor! Kick some ass, seabass. Order needs to be restored so the evacuations and rescues can proceed safely and the levee breach repairs completed.


Although, I earlier heard on WWL that the 17th St. canal breach should be repaired by tonight! 🙂
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Wow! She finally comes out and makes a strong statement. Think how much better things would have been if she had done that earlier AND HAD FORMULATED A PLAN OTHER THAN TO WHINE BEFORE THE DISASTER!

 
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