Gothic 3 Performance thread!

[akshayt]

BOX SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS

MINIMUM
? Windows® XP, Windows® 2000 SP4 Rollup 1, Windows® XP 64-bit, Windows® 2003 Server
? 1024MB System RAM
? 2 GHz Intel Pentium® 4, Athlon XP or equivalent processor
? 128MB Direct3D compatible video cardand a DirectX 9.0c April 2006 compatible video card driver
? 8x DVD-ROM drive ? 4.6 GB free hard disk space
? DirectX 9.0c April 2006 (included)
? DirectX 8.1 compatible sound card
? Keyboard, mouse

RECOMMENDED
? 3 GHz Intel Pentium 4 or equivalent processor
? 1,5 GB system RAM? ATI X1600, NVIDIA Geforce 6800 series or better video card


Techboi's Minimum Recommended

Intel P4 3.0GHz or AMD 64 3000
1.5GB RAM
256MB Geforce 6800GT or 7600GT level card
Experience: 1024x768 low/low to med settings


Recommended

Intel 4GHz or AMD 64 3700/3800 (Dual Core Recommended)
2GB RAM
512MB Radeon X1900XT or Geforce 7900GTO/GTX or equivalent
Experience: 1024x768 near Max settings without AA


Optimal

Core 2 Duo (X2 @ 2.4GHz, bare minimum I would say, Core 2 Duo strongly recommended)
3(+)GB RAM
512MB(+) Geforce 8800GTX/8800GTS
Experience: 1280x1024 MAX settings without AA, maybe even 1600x1200 or better



MY RIG
AMD 64 3200 Winchester @ 2.4GHz
2GB RAM
512MB Radeon x1900xtx

Tested Gothic 3 demo

I get around 20FPS in fights, it is choppy and practically unplayable. Once I am within a region and there are no fights, FPS imrpove greatly. In beaches I get 50+ or sometimes even 60+ FPS! On entering new areas the FPS tend to drop. In foliage the FPS are like higher 40s or 50s. While entering new areas the FPS could be in 30s or 40s. I get occasional dips in the 30s.

The game suffers from freezing while entering new areas which are very very frequent. There are some stuttering issues with the game which happen quite frequently. However other than that the game feels mostly smooth.

 

[josh6079]

I get around 20FPS in fights, it is choppy and practically unplayable.

My head hurts.

 

[akshayt]

Why, do you get better FPS?

I am talking of the big fight in the beginning of the demo. In smaller fights that happen occasionally in the game I think my FPS stay in 30s.

 

[flexy]

FPS is not the problem in Gothic III, rather the engine and how it loads the seemless world ---> stuttering.

As long as you dont move its fine.....i get decent FPS w/ an X850 XT...but with only 1GB of memory stutters as soon as it starts loading from HD, when you move.

 

[WraithETC]

You could have the "optimal" rig and the game will still stutter and have low fps generally speaking. The game engine is borked because of the constant streaming off the hard drive even with 2gb of ram. The bugs are numerous and the game's ending reflects its performance. This game would probably have shined on a console since they would have had to actually fix it before release.

 

[Hadsus]

Runs fine for me. When the game first starts things are a bit studdery but that's because the game begins with a big fight and the system is still loading in resources. G3 is a huge pig though....no doubt about it.

 

[Sable]

WILL YOU PLEASE BUY A 360!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hadsus]

Have one.

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Have one.

Not you, the OP.

 

[rise]

its the 1 gig that will be killing you in these games, as mentioned. stop f'in around and get some more ram

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: rise
its the 1 gig that will be killing you in these games, as mentioned. stop f'in around and get some more ram

OP has 2 gigs of RAM.
Read:

1GB ddr 400 Transcend (Hynix d43) X 2 in dual ch

See the x2?
And I agree. The game is a monster. Even if you do have 2 gigs of ram it still has to access the HD.

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Have one.

Not you, the OP.

That's a tangent....Gothic is not even a 360 game.

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: Hadsus

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Have one.

Not you, the OP.

That's a tangent....Gothic is not even a 360 game.

You don't get do ya.
The OP has been bugging us for a long, long time.
People just give up and say but a Xbox 360 or a console.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: rise
its the 1 gig that will be killing you in these games, as mentioned. stop f'in around and get some more ram

OP has 2 gigs of RAM.
Read:

1GB ddr 400 Transcend (Hynix d43) X 2 in dual ch

See the x2?
And I agree. The game is a monster. Even if you do have 2 gigs of ram it still has to access the HD.

d'oh was rushing trying to get into the shower, tho that may be tmi :Q

 

[apoppin]

FIRST of ALL ... Gothic3 is a bungled game ... i think the G3 Devs are on Drugs.
:Q
[really ... see their in game drug references ... they are remarkaby 'accurate']

it runs on the SAME engine as Oblivion
[afaik]

it REQUIRES 2GB of System RAM [period]

even then Load/save times are 30+ seconds ... with "only" 1GB RAM expect 2+ minutes

it runs badly in areas ... it has a serious MEMORY LEAK

it is badly optimized

there are areas with missing textures ... the game is UNfinished and there are *bugged Quests*

The game suffers from freezing while entering new areas which are very very frequent. There are some stuttering issues with the game which happen quite frequently. However other than that the game feels mostly smooth.

G3 is an exercise in frustration ... perfect for the OP




[btw, i finished the game with a x1950p ... 100+ hours of bugs ... starts with a GREAT Story and deteriorates into 'crap' ... could run with "post processing" and just a bit smoother than with my x850xt ....]

My 'G3 contrast with DM M&M' thread

 

[akshayt]

I am not complaining about G3 performance, what is up with you guys. I just wanna know on what settings do you play and the kind of performance you get?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: akshayt
I am not complaining about G3 performance, what is up with you guys. I just wanna know on what settings do you play and the kind of performance you get?

but i AM complaining about G3's performance, what is up with you?

with the "full retail" latest patched G3 game ... over 100+ hours into it and *finished*

10x7 or 11x8 ... shadows 'low', Post Processing 'on' , most details and textures 'med', distances high, grass on ... tolerable-fair-good performance where it is optimized.

 

[flexy]

the g3 coders ARE on drugs

Ok..seriously...the best thing is how zillions of people make around with custom config files...eg. the cache settings to "optimize" various things...like it's impossible for a game-engine to do that on its own. I would REALLY want to know how that game runs with 2GB+ memory...i just know w/ 1GB it runs like ****. I havent touched in a while now because of frustration and in expectation of a better PC built - but then i think other games will come out soon which will make G3 irrelevant

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: flexy
the g3 coders ARE on drugs

Ok..seriously...the best thing is how zillions of people make around with custom config files...eg. the cache settings to "optimize" various things...like it's impossible for a game-engine to do that on its own. I would REALLY want to know how that game runs with 2GB+ memory...i just know w/ 1GB it runs like ****. I havent touched in a while now because of frustration and in expectation of a better PC built - but then i think other games will come out soon which will make G3 irrelevant

from reading the reports here and on their forums upgrading from 1GB>2GB System RAM makes a HUGE difference in load/save time and accessing the HD [plus the memory leak is not an issue unless you play the game for many hours at a sitting ... i would have a regular crash - i could anticipate and avoid - every 2 or so hours.

the story writers clearly are very intimate with drug language and the effects of Hash
["Son of Abstinence"]

considering it is the SAME engine as Oblivion, i'd say they are inept --or were forced to bring it out many months early.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: akshayt

Techboi's Minimum Recommended

Intel P4 3.0GHz or AMD 64 3000
1.5GB RAM
256MB Geforce 6800GT or 7600GT level card
Experience: 1024x768 low/low to med settings


Recommended

Intel 4GHz or AMD 64 3700/3800 (Dual Core Recommended)
2GB RAM
512MB Radeon X1900XT or Geforce 7900GTO/GTX or equivalent
Experience: 1024x768 near Max settings without AA


Optimal

Core 2 Duo (X2 @ 2.4GHz, bare minimum I would say, Core 2 Duo strongly recommended)
3(+)GB RAM
512MB(+) Geforce 8800GTX/8800GTS
Experience: 1280x1024 MAX settings without AA, maybe even 1600x1200 or better



MY RIG
AMD 64 3200 Winchester @ 2.4GHz
2GB RAM
512MB Radeon x1900xtx

which category does your rig fall into?

now that you have figured that out,
why the hell do you keep making stupid threads about what kind of performance other people get in the same games you play?

your cpu is the bare minimum required, therefore you are going to get bare minimum frame rates. and NO your video card IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU. that x1900 is completely raped by the rest of your system. you are probably using half of its real potential.

 

[Apocalypse23]

Playing on a 1680x1050 resolution with my rig and ocd 8800gts, with every detail, shadows, plants and viewing distance maxed out on 4xAA and 16xAF I get about 15-20 fps in very heavy fight scenes mid game, the opening fight scene was at around 30 and below, the rest of the game is around 35-70 with many fluxes. The game is just so badly coded though that frequent sloppiness is just unavoidable, I hope they come up with some better perfomance patches or this game is just going to the dumpster. The graphics aren't too spectacular either, it's just the heavy textures that makes this game stand out a bit.

Given your specs, you won't get even close to satisfactory performance, good luck with that.

 

[Captante]

Playing G3 at 1920x1200 resolution using an 8800GTX with an A64 5000+ oc'ed to 2.8ghz & 2 gb's DDR2-800 & with all setting maxed out I seldom drop below 40-45fps even in heavy fighting, except for when the engine chokes for whatever inexplicable reason, which it does all too often. Whats really scary about this is that I'm pretty sure that G3 actually uses the Source-engine and Half-life 2-Lost Coast gets twice the performance, plus looks just as good if not better on my PC.. this game is fun so far, but the bugs & irregular frame-rates really detract from the experience.

 

[Chadder007]

If they used the Oblivion engine....then didn't they not use occlusion culling in it? Why did they not ever add that to the engine to help out performance considering that would have helped a great deal?

 

[akshayt]

how the hell does it run so well on yout 8800 cards, 1900 cards struggle even at 10x7 and both these statements rise from Xbit's benchmarks which are generally pretty accurate for higher cards atleast.

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
If they used the Oblivion engine....then didn't they not use occlusion culling in it? Why did they not ever add that to the engine to help out performance considering that would have helped a great deal?

Actually they didn't use the same engine as Oblivion & I was also mistaken about it being based on Source ... it uses a custom engine called Genome which apparently has some issues & seems to need somthing along the line of the 8800GTX to really perform well:


Gothic 3 Wiki

Originally posted by: akshayt
how the hell does it run so well on yout 8800 cards, 1900 cards struggle even at 10x7 and both these statements rise from Xbit's benchmarks which are generally pretty accurate for higher cards atleast.

Take another look at the benchmarks here... minimum fps for everything but the 8800GTX is a bit rough:


X-bit labs G3 page of 8800GTX review