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palehorse

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Right. A guy who backed mandatory health care in his state is the champion of keeping the federal government out of health care. Keep spinning. :rolleyes:
ok, clearly you really don't understand that States-rights is a core belief for Republicans... or is it that a focus on States-rights simply confuses you?

Stay in school kids.
 

Ozoned

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Speaking of the media...

Was it just me, or was Keith Olbermann's remarks about Brown the worst hatred they have ever heard on network news? I mean, WTF? Does he ACTUALLY think that shit resonates with the majority of Americans? He really thinks people are nodding their head 'yes' when he spews that hatred? He is the most disgusting human on any news network. I was actually embarrassed for MSNBC, and that says a LOT.

Keith Olbermann is not a media person.
 

drebo

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Right. A guy who backed mandatory health care in his state is the champion of keeping the federal government out of health care. Keep spinning. :rolleyes:

There are many people who would support government-run healthcare if it was proposed at the state level and not the federal level.

They're called Constitutionalists and we need more of them.
 

BeauJangles

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How long has it been now? 12 hours?

And ever since, CNN has not put one picture of Scott Brown on its front page. Everything you see is about Coakley.

LOL. They must be just seething over there. The state run media is beside itself, confused, and trying to spin everything about this being Coakley's loss instead of being a referendum on Obama/care.

(And how can they say that AFTER Obama went up there to campaign for her? LOL!)

Then the real poetry starts when you scroll down to their Quite Vote:

The Senate race in Massachusetts: A referendum on health care reform?

Yes: 69%
No: 31%

As someone who actually lives in Massachusetts, I can definitely say that the majority of voters were not driven to Scott Brown because of health care.

Coakley ran an unbelievably horrible campaign from the moment she won the primary. She allowed Brown to portray himself as a fiscal conservative middle-of-the-road Republican (which he most definitely is not). Her political advisers badly misread the election and their negative ad campaign only did more harm than good. Meanwhile, she was unable to prove that she was anything more than a figurehead for the DNC -- and that image extends far beyond health care.

While Republicans will look to this race as a template for overthrowing Democracts, I don't believe it's going to work anywhere else. This election was a perfect storm for Scott Brown. He squared off against a candidate who is an aloof, hard-to-like person in a very short election. He gained momentum primarily by making the voters of MA feel like he cared about winning, exactly when Coakley was doing nothing.

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There are many people who would support government-run healthcare if it was proposed at the state level and not the federal level.

They're called Constitutionalists and we need more of them.

Hate to break it to you, but Scott Brown's support of one health care bill and opposition to the other has nothing to do with the Constitution.
 
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werepossum

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Care to explain then?

Republicans have won key victories now in Virginia, New Jersey, and Massachusetts, and yet libs either say each race means nothing or that the Dems need to go even further left to win. If they keep making it this easy then the Republicans will sweep Congress so easily that they will have learned nothing and we'll be right back where we started, only another few trillion in debt.
 

Slick5150

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ok, clearly you really don't understand that States-rights is a core belief for Republicans... or is it that a focus on States-rights simply confuses you?

Stay in school kids.

That's why the Bush administration threatened states that passed medical-marijuana laws, assisted suicide laws, etc.. Because of that core belief of States Rights!
 

palehorse

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That's why the Bush administration threatened states that passed medical-marijuana laws, assisted suicide laws, etc.. Because of that core belief of States Rights!
Bush was a RINO/neocon who didn't know his ass from his elbow when it came to the old Republican platform and convictions, other than his being social conservative. By referencing his dumb ass, you've essentially made my point for me...

I'm not even a Republican and I still know this.
 

BeauJangles

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Care to explain then?

Yeah, I can take a stab at it.

Before the election cycle rolled in, I never got the impression that Scott Brown was against health care. Even now, we see him backing off that sorta-famous quote from the debate "I will be the 41st vote. I will stop [health care]." I think the country needs to understand that the bill SB and others voted for in MA is basically the grandfather of the bill that went to the Senate floor. The only difference between the two (again in my opinion) are the political winds.

In MA, Scott Brown supported the health care because it was a more bipartisan effort and it was driven, in large part, by a Republican governor. Romney really pushed it (I believe for political gain), comparing it to car insurance and saying that we force everyone to have cars and people are a lot more expensive than cars.

When Scott Brown declared for this election, he was a 30 point underdog. Coakley really let Brown define himself any way he wanted to and I believe he saw people's uncertainty over the bill and capitalized. It was one part of his "I won't be a rubber stamp or a pawn in the system" message that resonated with voters.

Please don't take this as me saying Brown is nothing more than an opportunist or anything. I'm actually fairly happy that the bill is at least being reconsidered right now. I do believe, though, that Brown's waffling support on health care has much more to do with the political climate than any higher belief in constitutional rights or anything like that. My girlfriend works down the hall from Brown's old office and neither she nor I have ever gotten the message from any of his actions or statements that he's a strict adherent to the principles of the constitution.
 

BeauJangles

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Republicans have won key victories now in Virginia, New Jersey, and Massachusetts, and yet libs either say each race means nothing or that the Dems need to go even further left to win. If they keep making it this easy then the Republicans will sweep Congress so easily that they will have learned nothing and we'll be right back where we started, only another few trillion in debt.

Ahh, I'm glad someone from Tennessee can shed light on my state's election.

Please. Brown won because he ran a fantastic campaign, but he only had the possibility of victory opened to him by the shitty campaign that Coakley ran, her general aloofness, and the short election cycle.

I don't want to take anything away from Brown, because he was given the opportunity and took advantage of it, but let's not make this into something it isn't.
 

nick1985

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Right. A guy who backed mandatory health care in his state is the champion of keeping the federal government out of health care. Keep spinning. :rolleyes:

You dont understand basic conservative principles, and it really makes you look foolish. Keep posting though, I enjoy comic relief at work.
 

Pepsei

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I like him, he's pro-choice and his daughter ayla is hot. She was in American Idol.
 
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"In Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees." - Keith Olbermann (MSNBC)

Wow!
 

Robor

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You dont understand basic conservative principles, and it really makes you look foolish. Keep posting though, I enjoy comic relief at work.

Oh, I understand them just fine. I also understand most faux conservatives only refer to them when it is convenient. For instance, all (R) senators and all but one (R) representative voted for the DOMA. Was that a state or federal law?
 

Vette73

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Ahh, I'm glad someone from Tennessee can shed light on my state's election.

Please. Brown won because he ran a fantastic campaign, but he only had the possibility of victory opened to him by the shitty campaign that Coakley ran, her general aloofness, and the short election cycle.

I don't want to take anything away from Brown, because he was given the opportunity and took advantage of it, but let's not make this into something it isn't.


That and in 3 years I bet he will be gone.

Coakley thought she could just walk in and she and the Dems learned the hard way to fight for every race, even ones where you are supposed to win easily.

Look at Webb from VA. He was supposed to lose big against someone that was a front runner to be on the GOP Prez ticket. Yet he won as the other person ran a lazy and bad campagian while looking ahead for the Prez office.
 

palehorse

Lifer
Dec 21, 2005
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Yeah, I can take a stab at it.

Before the election cycle rolled in, I never got the impression that Scott Brown was against health care. Even now, we see him backing off that sorta-famous quote from the debate "I will be the 41st vote. I will stop [health care]." I think the country needs to understand that the bill SB and others voted for in MA is basically the grandfather of the bill that went to the Senate floor. The only difference between the two (again in my opinion) are the political winds.

In MA, Scott Brown supported the health care because it was a more bipartisan effort and it was driven, in large part, by a Republican governor. Romney really pushed it (I believe for political gain), comparing it to car insurance and saying that we force everyone to have cars and people are a lot more expensive than cars.

When Scott Brown declared for this election, he was a 30 point underdog. Coakley really let Brown define himself any way he wanted to and I believe he saw people's uncertainty over the bill and capitalized. It was one part of his "I won't be a rubber stamp or a pawn in the system" message that resonated with voters.

Please don't take this as me saying Brown is nothing more than an opportunist or anything. I'm actually fairly happy that the bill is at least being reconsidered right now. I do believe, though, that Brown's waffling support on health care has much more to do with the political climate than any higher belief in constitutional rights or anything like that. My girlfriend works down the hall from Brown's old office and neither she nor I have ever gotten the message from any of his actions or statements that he's a strict adherent to the principles of the constitution.
Thank you for your analysis. I'll have to study his voting history and other issues more closely, but thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
 

sportage

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Does Brown do dudes? Looks like he does dudes. Sexxxie nude photo shoot, btw.
Between him and his wife, I bet they're two pretty screwed up horny bastards. And those poor kids...
 

nick1985

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Does Brown do dudes? Looks like he does dudes. Sexxxie nude photo shoot, btw.
Between him and his wife, I bet they're two pretty screwed up horny bastards. And those poor kids...


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