Got Halo 3 last night...

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: jhbball

Originally posted by: KlokWyze

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to judge a game based on playing the first level (did you even get to the end at the hydroelectric dam?), especially when you say uninspired environments. The campaign isn't the best, but overall I'd say its the best in the series. There's some cliched levels (really the game is a big cliche, but its done in a way that its more of an homage, which is what I think most people who don't like it seem to not get), but overall its enjoyable.

I really have no clue where you're getting that the graphics are terrible. They aren't the best, but they should hold up pretty well (for replay value later on) and hardly look bad. Each to his own, but I really don't see how you can say it isn't at least good technically.

Also, I really hope you were not playing on any difficulty lower than Legendary. Sadly, Legendary seems kinda too easy too, and that was on two-player co-op.

There's two things I think you're overlooking. This game supports up to 4 player co-op online, which to my knowledge no other FPS has really done, so thats a pretty big achievement there (co-op is what has made the Halo games so much fun for me personally). Also, go play around with the Theater mode. Both of those are a big reason why they chose to not overwhelm with the technical prowess (they spent way too much time focusing on that for the second one only to get stuck with limitations).

Aye... calling these graphics terrible is ridiculous, its just an obvious overstatement to make an effect. Plus I think the animations are spot on, so I don't really know what they are trying to say.

The amount of dudes they get on screen w/ this level of detail & no slowdown is impressive. That 1st scarab battle was fucking badness!

Maybe a slight overstatement, but the point remains. Halo 3 should have looked better, and it does not look good on a 42'' 1080p set, compared Bioshock, Gears, Call of Duty 4 MP beta. This is for many reasons, in my opinion. Art direction, animation, gun design, and geometry choices in some of the maps. It's also extremely pixelated, which takes away from any detail that the game could provide. You're right, they aren't terrible. But they're not good.

As for the campaign. I cleared through the first level, and was unimpressed. Just my impression. I was expecting something more. I'll save my judgement for the rest of the game after I complete it.

Again, the multi player is fun, and where the meat of the game is. I'll comment on it further after I get a few more hours in.

Also, I'm not a pc fanboy by any means.

No way is CoD4 MP beta better than Halo3. I have been playing the CoD beta since day 2, and I don't see how it's better. If you really say that Halo3 isn't a big improvement over Halo2, I can say the same from CoD2 to CoD4.
Your argument is broken. Fix it.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: jhbball

Originally posted by: KlokWyze

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to judge a game based on playing the first level (did you even get to the end at the hydroelectric dam?), especially when you say uninspired environments. The campaign isn't the best, but overall I'd say its the best in the series. There's some cliched levels (really the game is a big cliche, but its done in a way that its more of an homage, which is what I think most people who don't like it seem to not get), but overall its enjoyable.

I really have no clue where you're getting that the graphics are terrible. They aren't the best, but they should hold up pretty well (for replay value later on) and hardly look bad. Each to his own, but I really don't see how you can say it isn't at least good technically.

Also, I really hope you were not playing on any difficulty lower than Legendary. Sadly, Legendary seems kinda too easy too, and that was on two-player co-op.

There's two things I think you're overlooking. This game supports up to 4 player co-op online, which to my knowledge no other FPS has really done, so thats a pretty big achievement there (co-op is what has made the Halo games so much fun for me personally). Also, go play around with the Theater mode. Both of those are a big reason why they chose to not overwhelm with the technical prowess (they spent way too much time focusing on that for the second one only to get stuck with limitations).

Aye... calling these graphics terrible is ridiculous, its just an obvious overstatement to make an effect. Plus I think the animations are spot on, so I don't really know what they are trying to say.

The amount of dudes they get on screen w/ this level of detail & no slowdown is impressive. That 1st scarab battle was fucking badness!

Maybe a slight overstatement, but the point remains. Halo 3 should have looked better, and it does not look good on a 42'' 1080p set, compared Bioshock, Gears, Call of Duty 4 MP beta. This is for many reasons, in my opinion. Art direction, animation, gun design, and geometry choices in some of the maps. It's also extremely pixelated, which takes away from any detail that the game could provide. You're right, they aren't terrible. But they're not good.

As for the campaign. I cleared through the first level, and was unimpressed. Just my impression. I was expecting something more. I'll save my judgement for the rest of the game after I complete it.

Again, the multi player is fun, and where the meat of the game is. I'll comment on it further after I get a few more hours in.

Also, I'm not a pc fanboy by any means.

Why don't you just wait to finish the single player campaign before you review it? It just doesn't make sense. Would you watch the first 12 minutes of a movie and then go online and post a review about how it's boring and the same old plot? 12 minutes is 10% of a 2 hour movie. That's about how far you are through the game.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: jhbball

Maybe a slight overstatement, but the point remains. Halo 3 should have looked better, and it does not look good on a 42'' 1080p set, compared Bioshock, Gears, Call of Duty 4 MP beta. This is for many reasons, in my opinion. Art direction, animation, gun design, and geometry choices in some of the maps. It's also extremely pixelated, which takes away from any detail that the game could provide. You're right, they aren't terrible. But they're not good.

As for the campaign. I cleared through the first level, and was unimpressed. Just my impression. I was expecting something more. I'll save my judgement for the rest of the game after I complete it.

Again, the multi player is fun, and where the meat of the game is. I'll comment on it further after I get a few more hours in.

Also, I'm not a pc fanboy by any means.

And my point remains. Try out 4 player co-op. Also, play around with the Theater mode. They are big reasons why the graphics aren't as impressive as they could be. Personally, they more than make up for a slightly lower visual level. And again, not good is just ridiculous, not just a "slight overstatement". You seem to be bashing the visual style/art direction more than the technical aspect.

You didn't specify what difficulty setting either. If you don't play on Legendary then you won't be challenged (which makes a game boring). I recall people saying the first Halo was boring and the AI nothing special, but then they were playing on the Normal setting. There is a pretty big difference. I'm not sure if you'll miss anything extra not playing on Legendary either. I know the first one you missed some nice extra stuff.

And yeah, it doesn't make any sense to judge a game based on the first level.

Lastly, no I don't think its a perfect game, it has plenty of flaws. Yeah, the graphics could be better, but would there be 4 player co-op? Would the Theater mode be any good? Who knows.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Yep. Exactly like Halo 2. :roll:

Convenient that both screenshots have an explosion taking up half of the screen, with shading darkening everything else. This one, for example, looks like the original Halo with only more detailed vehicles and characters. The branches and leaves on the trees are smudged into one ugly pea-green mess of a sprite and the shading is blurry and looks like something out of the original Unreal Tournament. Here is more of the same. The foliage detail in the game sucks and certainly isn't much better than any Halo game before it. Bland indoor level with only some fancy DX10(?) features to help with lighting. Nice sky textures and water, but the islands are piles of low-polygonal shit, only a marginal improvement over Halo 2.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Queasy
Yep. Exactly like Halo 2. :roll:

Convenient that both screenshots have an explosion taking up half of the screen, with shading darkening everything else. This one, for example, looks like the original Halo with only more detailed vehicles and characters. The branches and leaves on the trees are smudged into one ugly pea-green mess of a sprite and the shading is blurry and looks like something out of the original Unreal Tournament. Here is more of the same. The foliage detail in the game sucks and certainly isn't much better than any Halo game before it. Bland indoor level with only some fancy DX10(?) features to help with lighting. Nice sky textures and water, but the islands are piles of low-polygonal shit, only a marginal improvement over Halo 2.

bitter much?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: foghorn67
bitter much?

Bitter about what?

 

[prism]

I just don't see how the PC elitist crowd can knock Halo 3's multiplayer (or Halo 2's for that matter). I have yet to see any PC game offer anything close to the matchmaking system or the easy party set-up. It's a brilliant system, and I would gladly sacrifice the choice of a specific level to get in a game using this system, as opposed to the PC FPS online play where you have to scroll through lists of games, check their ping, make sure it's not a closed server, check the gametype, etc...

Another huge plus of Halo 3 (imo) is the weapon balance. You're never really able to use the excuse "I didn't know where 'X' weapon was and that's why I got pwned bla bla bla" because in every gametype you're provided with a functional and effective weapon that, when used correctly, can almost always stand up to your enemy's. Thus, the first minute of every game isn't spent as a rat race getting to the l33t weapon spawn point, as in the majority of PC FPS's I've played.

I'm not a console fanboy by any means, as I've thoroughly enjoyed the early Dooms and Quakes, Half-life 1 and 2 and their many respective mods, plus other FPS's throughout the years before the days of Goldeneye. I'm just annoyed that so much hating has been aimed at Halo and its ilk.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

i just got a look at halo 3 and i have to say, the gameplay does look pretty fun..... i bet online will be an excellent laugh too. however im also a bit of a graphics whore....and im not too impressed with the way it looks. the textures are a little on the low res side, some of the prop models are pretty low rent (ie a tanker trailer that looks like a 50 pence piece from the back) but i think for me, the worst bit is the lighting, the lighting just looks like the lightng you might find in q3... that nasty harsh static lighting.

still, this means the game runs smooth as glass

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Prism
I just don't see how the PC elitist crowd can knock Halo 3's multiplayer (or Halo 2's for that matter). .

Just leave them be, they are their own worst enemy. They are one of the reasons PC gaming is relegated to an "also ran" in total game sales every year.

 

[bucwylde23]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i just got a look at halo 3 and i have to say, the gameplay does look pretty fun..... i bet online will be an excellent laugh too. however im also a bit of a graphics whore....and im not too impressed with the way it looks. the textures are a little on the low res side, some of the prop models are pretty low rent (ie a tanker trailer that looks like a 50 pence piece from the back) but i think for me, the worst bit is the lighting, the lighting just looks like the lightng you might find in q3... that nasty harsh static lighting.

still, this means the game runs smooth as glass

correction, the game runs smooth as glass x 2. 😀 :thumbsup:

 

[jhbball]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: jhbball

Originally posted by: KlokWyze

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to judge a game based on playing the first level (did you even get to the end at the hydroelectric dam?), especially when you say uninspired environments. The campaign isn't the best, but overall I'd say its the best in the series. There's some cliched levels (really the game is a big cliche, but its done in a way that its more of an homage, which is what I think most people who don't like it seem to not get), but overall its enjoyable.

I really have no clue where you're getting that the graphics are terrible. They aren't the best, but they should hold up pretty well (for replay value later on) and hardly look bad. Each to his own, but I really don't see how you can say it isn't at least good technically.

Also, I really hope you were not playing on any difficulty lower than Legendary. Sadly, Legendary seems kinda too easy too, and that was on two-player co-op.

There's two things I think you're overlooking. This game supports up to 4 player co-op online, which to my knowledge no other FPS has really done, so thats a pretty big achievement there (co-op is what has made the Halo games so much fun for me personally). Also, go play around with the Theater mode. Both of those are a big reason why they chose to not overwhelm with the technical prowess (they spent way too much time focusing on that for the second one only to get stuck with limitations).

Aye... calling these graphics terrible is ridiculous, its just an obvious overstatement to make an effect. Plus I think the animations are spot on, so I don't really know what they are trying to say.

The amount of dudes they get on screen w/ this level of detail & no slowdown is impressive. That 1st scarab battle was fucking badness!

Maybe a slight overstatement, but the point remains. Halo 3 should have looked better, and it does not look good on a 42'' 1080p set, compared Bioshock, Gears, Call of Duty 4 MP beta. This is for many reasons, in my opinion. Art direction, animation, gun design, and geometry choices in some of the maps. It's also extremely pixelated, which takes away from any detail that the game could provide. You're right, they aren't terrible. But they're not good.

As for the campaign. I cleared through the first level, and was unimpressed. Just my impression. I was expecting something more. I'll save my judgement for the rest of the game after I complete it.

Again, the multi player is fun, and where the meat of the game is. I'll comment on it further after I get a few more hours in.

Also, I'm not a pc fanboy by any means.

No way is CoD4 MP beta better than Halo3. I have been playing the CoD beta since day 2, and I don't see how it's better. If you really say that Halo3 isn't a big improvement over Halo2, I can say the same from CoD2 to CoD4.
Your argument is broken. Fix it.

I said the graphics were better in COD4 beta. I didn't say it was a better game. The Halo crowd gets really defensive when you critique what is presented, it seems.

 

[jhbball]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Queasy
Yep. Exactly like Halo 2. :roll:

Convenient that both screenshots have an explosion taking up half of the screen, with shading darkening everything else. This one, for example, looks like the original Halo with only more detailed vehicles and characters. The branches and leaves on the trees are smudged into one ugly pea-green mess of a sprite and the shading is blurry and looks like something out of the original Unreal Tournament. Here is more of the same. The foliage detail in the game sucks and certainly isn't much better than any Halo game before it. Bland indoor level with only some fancy DX10(?) features to help with lighting. Nice sky textures and water, but the islands are piles of low-polygonal shit, only a marginal improvement over Halo 2.

bitter much?

That response doesn't even make sense. Hamburger was merely supporting the many claims about this games graphics with screen shots.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: jhbball

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Queasy
Yep. Exactly like Halo 2. :roll:

Convenient that both screenshots have an explosion taking up half of the screen, with shading darkening everything else. This one, for example, looks like the original Halo with only more detailed vehicles and characters. The branches and leaves on the trees are smudged into one ugly pea-green mess of a sprite and the shading is blurry and looks like something out of the original Unreal Tournament. Here is more of the same. The foliage detail in the game sucks and certainly isn't much better than any Halo game before it. Bland indoor level with only some fancy DX10(?) features to help with lighting. Nice sky textures and water, but the islands are piles of low-polygonal shit, only a marginal improvement over Halo 2.

bitter much?

That response doesn't even make sense. Hamburger was merely supporting the many claims about this games graphics with screen shots.

if you think the graphics suck, go here.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I am really curious about these PC FPS thats are better......what are they and why havent I heard of them?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I got H3 on launch day and have played for a few hours so far. Honestly it just doesn't thrill me. I think the original Halo is still the best, but even that has always seemed overrated to me. The original was impressive in its day because it was so smooth and clean, but artistically I found the story silly and the whole thing kind of unsatisfyingly cartoonish. H2 was just boring, and so far H3 seems more like H2 than the original. Bioshock was 1000 times more impressive and inventive IMO.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I am really curious about these PC FPS thats are better......what are they and why havent I heard of them?

😕

Here's a list of the top 100 PC FPS from GameRankings. If you look waaaaaaaay down at the bottom there's Halo 2.

1. Half-Life 2 PC VU Games 95 8.9 95.5%
2. BioShock PC 2K Games 35 8.3 95.5%
3. Half-Life PC Sierra Entertainment 27 8.9 94.6%
4. Unreal Tournament PC GT Interactive 23 8.8 93.5%
5. Unreal Tournament 2004 PC Atari 54 8.8 92.8%
6. Call of Duty PC Activision 71 8.9 91.5%
7. Medal of Honor Allied Assault PC EA Games 51 8.6 90.9%
8. The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay PC VU Games 41 8.2 90.7%
9. No One Lives Forever 2: A Spy in H.A.R.M.'s Way PC Sierra Entertainment 45 8.5 90.5%
10. Battlefield 2 PC EA Games 71 8.6 90.0%
11. Far Cry PC Ubisoft 81 8.6 89.4%
12. Half-Life: Counter-Strike PC Sierra Entertainment 24 8.4 89.3%
13. Unreal PC GT Interactive 27 8.1 89.2%
14. The Operative: No One Lives Forever PC Fox Interactive 30 8.4 89.1%
15. F.E.A.R. PC VU Games 65 8.7 88.9%
16. Battlefield 1942 PC EA Games 46 8.5 88.5%
17. Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 PC Ubisoft 36 8.0 88.3%
18. Unreal Tournament 2003 PC Atari 46 8.4 88.0%
19. Doom 3 PC Activision 100 8.2 87.6%
20. Call of Duty 2 PC Activision 78 8.6 87.6%
21. Return to Castle Wolfenstein PC Activision 52 8.2 87.3%
22. Half-Life 2: Episode One PC EA Games 68 8.5 87.0%
23. Call of Duty: United Offensive PC Activision 64 8.5 86.7%
24. Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis PC Codemasters 43 8.0 86.7%
25. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear PC Red Storm Entertainment 33 8.1 86.3%
26. Halo: Combat Evolved PC Microsoft Game Studios 69 8.2 86.2%
27. Star Trek: Voyager Elite Force PC Activision 42 8.0 86.1%
28. Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast PC LucasArts 49 8.4 85.7%
29. Tribes 2 PC Sierra Entertainment 41 7.7 85.6%
30. Aliens Versus Predator 2 PC Fox Interactive 46 7.9 85.4%
31. Half-Life: Opposing Force PC Sierra Entertainment 32 8.2 85.4%
32. SWAT 4 PC VU Games 54 7.8 85.1%
33. Aliens Versus Predator PC Fox Interactive 35 7.4 85.1%
34. Clive Barker's Undying PC EA Games 42 7.8 85.0%
35. Serious Sam: The Second Encounter PC Gathering 30 7.9 84.9%
36. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas PC Ubisoft 23 7.7 84.8%
37. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield PC Ubisoft 51 8.1 84.5%
38. SWAT 3: Close Quarters Battle PC Sierra Entertainment 25 7.7 84.3%
39. Tron 2.0 PC Buena Vista Interactive 49 7.8 84.2%
40. Starsiege Tribes PC Sierra Entertainment 24 8.0 84.2%
41. Brothers in Arms: Earned in Blood PC Ubisoft 25 7.9 83.9%
42. Quake III Arena PC Activision 33 7.9 83.9%
43. Battlefield Vietnam PC EA Games 55 8.1 83.5%
44. Prey PC 2K Games 55 7.6 83.5%
45. Serious Sam: The First Encounter PC Gathering 45 7.7 83.5%
46. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Rogue Spear Mission Pack: Urban Operations PC Red Storm Entertainment 22 8.1 82.9%
47. S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl PC THQ 50 7.8 82.7%
48. Battlefield 1942: Secret Weapons of WWII PC EA Games 32 8.0 82.5%
49. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon PC Ubisoft 32 7.9 82.3%
50. Soldier of Fortune PC Activision 34 7.7 82.3%
51. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six PC Red Storm Entertainment 22 7.9 82.2%
52. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Island Thunder PC Ubisoft 22 7.7 81.9%
53. Quake 4 PC Activision 82 8.1 81.9%
54. Joint Operations: Typhoon Rising PC NovaLogic 34 7.7 81.6%
55. Painkiller PC DreamCatcher Interactive 71 8.0 81.6%
56. Battlefield 1942: The Road to Rome PC EA Games 30 8.3 81.5%
57. Day of Defeat: Source PC Valve Software 23 8.4 81.5%
58. Operation Flashpoint: Resistance PC Codemasters 23 7.7 81.2%
59. Tribes: Vengeance PC VU Games 39 7.9 81.2%
60. Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy PC LucasArts 53 7.7 80.6%
61. Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix PC Activision 45 7.5 80.4%
62. Medal of Honor Pacific Assault PC EA Games 48 7.7 80.4%
63. SWAT 4: The Stetchkov Syndicate PC VU Games 21 8.1 80.3%
64. The Wheel of Time PC GT Interactive 29 7.1 80.3%
65. Battlefield 2142 PC EA Games 56 6.8 80.1%
66. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter PC Ubisoft 30 7.7 79.9%
67. Star Trek Elite Force II PC Activision 36 7.3 79.7%
68. Star Wars Republic Commando PC LucasArts 40 8.0 79.4%
69. Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K. 2 PC Gathering 40 7.2 79.2%
70. Day of Defeat PC Activision 26 7.4 79.0%
71. Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil PC Activision 58 7.9 78.9%
72. Medal of Honor: Airborne PC Electronic Arts 26 7.7 78.6%
73. Red Faction PC THQ 32 7.5 78.4%
74. Battlefield 2: Special Forces PC EA Games 34 7.7 78.3%
75. Vietcong PC Gathering 30 7.3 78.1%
76. Global Operations PC Crave 21 6.5 78.0%
77. Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 PC Valve Software 23 7.6 77.9%
78. Battlefield 2: Armored Fury PC EA Games 23 7.4 77.7%
79. Savage: The Battle for Newerth PC iGames 50 6.6 77.5%
80. Hidden & Dangerous PC Take-Two Interactive 25 6.9 77.4%
81. Star Wars: Battlefront II PC LucasArts 29 8.2 77.2%
82. Hidden & Dangerous 2 PC Gathering 38 7.8 76.7%
83. Painkiller: Battle out of Hell PC DreamCatcher Interactive 39 8.0 76.6%
84. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 PC Ubisoft 23 6.4 76.4%
85. Unreal II: The Awakening PC Atari 46 7.3 76.3%
86. Delta Force: Black Hawk Down PC NovaLogic 40 7.4 76.1%
87. Star Wars: Battlefront PC LucasArts 34 7.6 75.9%
88. Medal of Honor Allied Assault: Spearhead PC Electronic Arts 33 7.6 75.7%
89. The Ship PC Mindscape 24 5.1 75.6%
90. F.E.A.R. Extraction Point PC Vivendi Games 32 7.0 75.6%
91. SiN Episodes: Emergence PC Valve Software 47 7.3 75.4%
92. Command & Conquer Renegade PC EA Games 37 7.1 74.9%
93. Serious Sam II PC 2K Games 38 7.1 74.9%
94. Call of Juarez PC Ubisoft 29 8.6 74.7%
95. Dark Messiah of Might and Magic PC Ubisoft 49 7.3 74.4%
96. ArmA: Combat Operations PC Atari 27 7.3 74.3%
97. XIII PC Ubisoft 34 7.2 73.9%
98. Kingpin: Life of Crime PC Interplay 28 6.9 73.7%
99. Delta Force: Land Warrior PC NovaLogic 31 6.8 73.6%
100. Halo 2 PC Microsoft Game Studios 28 6.4 73.6%

 

[Beev]

Not to mention all of those games on that list that are multiplatform, and were on the PC first, are way, WAY better on the PC.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I am really curious about these PC FPS thats are better......what are they and why havent I heard of them?

😕

Here's a list of the top 100 PC FPS from GameRankings. If you look waaaaaaaay down at the bottom there's Halo 2.

1. Half-Life 2 PC VU Games 95 8.9 95.5%
2. BioShock PC 2K Games 35 8.3 95.5%
3. Half-Life PC Sierra Entertainment 27 8.9 94.6%
4. Unreal Tournament PC GT Interactive 23 8.8 93.5%
5. Unreal Tournament 2004 PC Atari 54 8.8 92.8%
6. Call of Duty PC Activision 71 8.9 91.5%
7. Medal of Honor Allied Assault PC EA Games 51 8.6 90.9%
8. The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay PC VU Games 41 8.2 90.7%
9. No One Lives Forever 2: A Spy in H.A.R.M.'s Way PC Sierra Entertainment 45 8.5 90.5%
10. Battlefield 2 PC EA Games 71 8.6 90.0%
11. Far Cry PC Ubisoft 81 8.6 89.4%
12. Half-Life: Counter-Strike PC Sierra Entertainment 24 8.4 89.3%
13. Unreal PC GT Interactive 27 8.1 89.2%
14. The Operative: No One Lives Forever PC Fox Interactive 30 8.4 89.1%
15. F.E.A.R. PC VU Games 65 8.7 88.9%
16. Battlefield 1942 PC EA Games 46 8.5 88.5%
17. Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 PC Ubisoft 36 8.0 88.3%
18. Unreal Tournament 2003 PC Atari 46 8.4 88.0%
19. Doom 3 PC Activision 100 8.2 87.6%
20. Call of Duty 2 PC Activision 78 8.6 87.6%
21. Return to Castle Wolfenstein PC Activision 52 8.2 87.3%
22. Half-Life 2: Episode One PC EA Games 68 8.5 87.0%
23. Call of Duty: United Offensive PC Activision 64 8.5 86.7%
24. Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis PC Codemasters 43 8.0 86.7%
25. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear PC Red Storm Entertainment 33 8.1 86.3%
26. Halo: Combat Evolved PC Microsoft Game Studios 69 8.2 86.2%
27. Star Trek: Voyager Elite Force PC Activision 42 8.0 86.1%
28. Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast PC LucasArts 49 8.4 85.7%
29. Tribes 2 PC Sierra Entertainment 41 7.7 85.6%
30. Aliens Versus Predator 2 PC Fox Interactive 46 7.9 85.4%
31. Half-Life: Opposing Force PC Sierra Entertainment 32 8.2 85.4%
32. SWAT 4 PC VU Games 54 7.8 85.1%
33. Aliens Versus Predator PC Fox Interactive 35 7.4 85.1%
34. Clive Barker's Undying PC EA Games 42 7.8 85.0%
35. Serious Sam: The Second Encounter PC Gathering 30 7.9 84.9%
36. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas PC Ubisoft 23 7.7 84.8%
37. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield PC Ubisoft 51 8.1 84.5%
38. SWAT 3: Close Quarters Battle PC Sierra Entertainment 25 7.7 84.3%
39. Tron 2.0 PC Buena Vista Interactive 49 7.8 84.2%
40. Starsiege Tribes PC Sierra Entertainment 24 8.0 84.2%
41. Brothers in Arms: Earned in Blood PC Ubisoft 25 7.9 83.9%
42. Quake III Arena PC Activision 33 7.9 83.9%
43. Battlefield Vietnam PC EA Games 55 8.1 83.5%
44. Prey PC 2K Games 55 7.6 83.5%
45. Serious Sam: The First Encounter PC Gathering 45 7.7 83.5%
46. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Rogue Spear Mission Pack: Urban Operations PC Red Storm Entertainment 22 8.1 82.9%
47. S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl PC THQ 50 7.8 82.7%
48. Battlefield 1942: Secret Weapons of WWII PC EA Games 32 8.0 82.5%
49. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon PC Ubisoft 32 7.9 82.3%
50. Soldier of Fortune PC Activision 34 7.7 82.3%
51. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six PC Red Storm Entertainment 22 7.9 82.2%
52. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Island Thunder PC Ubisoft 22 7.7 81.9%
53. Quake 4 PC Activision 82 8.1 81.9%
54. Joint Operations: Typhoon Rising PC NovaLogic 34 7.7 81.6%
55. Painkiller PC DreamCatcher Interactive 71 8.0 81.6%
56. Battlefield 1942: The Road to Rome PC EA Games 30 8.3 81.5%
57. Day of Defeat: Source PC Valve Software 23 8.4 81.5%
58. Operation Flashpoint: Resistance PC Codemasters 23 7.7 81.2%
59. Tribes: Vengeance PC VU Games 39 7.9 81.2%
60. Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy PC LucasArts 53 7.7 80.6%
61. Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix PC Activision 45 7.5 80.4%
62. Medal of Honor Pacific Assault PC EA Games 48 7.7 80.4%
63. SWAT 4: The Stetchkov Syndicate PC VU Games 21 8.1 80.3%
64. The Wheel of Time PC GT Interactive 29 7.1 80.3%
65. Battlefield 2142 PC EA Games 56 6.8 80.1%
66. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter PC Ubisoft 30 7.7 79.9%
67. Star Trek Elite Force II PC Activision 36 7.3 79.7%
68. Star Wars Republic Commando PC LucasArts 40 8.0 79.4%
69. Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K. 2 PC Gathering 40 7.2 79.2%
70. Day of Defeat PC Activision 26 7.4 79.0%
71. Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil PC Activision 58 7.9 78.9%
72. Medal of Honor: Airborne PC Electronic Arts 26 7.7 78.6%
73. Red Faction PC THQ 32 7.5 78.4%
74. Battlefield 2: Special Forces PC EA Games 34 7.7 78.3%
75. Vietcong PC Gathering 30 7.3 78.1%
76. Global Operations PC Crave 21 6.5 78.0%
77. Red Orchestra: Ostfront 41-45 PC Valve Software 23 7.6 77.9%
78. Battlefield 2: Armored Fury PC EA Games 23 7.4 77.7%
79. Savage: The Battle for Newerth PC iGames 50 6.6 77.5%
80. Hidden & Dangerous PC Take-Two Interactive 25 6.9 77.4%
81. Star Wars: Battlefront II PC LucasArts 29 8.2 77.2%
82. Hidden & Dangerous 2 PC Gathering 38 7.8 76.7%
83. Painkiller: Battle out of Hell PC DreamCatcher Interactive 39 8.0 76.6%
84. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 PC Ubisoft 23 6.4 76.4%
85. Unreal II: The Awakening PC Atari 46 7.3 76.3%
86. Delta Force: Black Hawk Down PC NovaLogic 40 7.4 76.1%
87. Star Wars: Battlefront PC LucasArts 34 7.6 75.9%
88. Medal of Honor Allied Assault: Spearhead PC Electronic Arts 33 7.6 75.7%
89. The Ship PC Mindscape 24 5.1 75.6%
90. F.E.A.R. Extraction Point PC Vivendi Games 32 7.0 75.6%
91. SiN Episodes: Emergence PC Valve Software 47 7.3 75.4%
92. Command & Conquer Renegade PC EA Games 37 7.1 74.9%
93. Serious Sam II PC 2K Games 38 7.1 74.9%
94. Call of Juarez PC Ubisoft 29 8.6 74.7%
95. Dark Messiah of Might and Magic PC Ubisoft 49 7.3 74.4%
96. ArmA: Combat Operations PC Atari 27 7.3 74.3%
97. XIII PC Ubisoft 34 7.2 73.9%
98. Kingpin: Life of Crime PC Interplay 28 6.9 73.7%
99. Delta Force: Land Warrior PC NovaLogic 31 6.8 73.6%
100. Halo 2 PC Microsoft Game Studios 28 6.4 73.6%

the first Halo is 26 on that list did you miss that?
so it was better then basicially 3/4 of the best PC shooters

 

[jhbball]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: jhbball

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Queasy
Yep. Exactly like Halo 2. :roll:

Convenient that both screenshots have an explosion taking up half of the screen, with shading darkening everything else. This one, for example, looks like the original Halo with only more detailed vehicles and characters. The branches and leaves on the trees are smudged into one ugly pea-green mess of a sprite and the shading is blurry and looks like something out of the original Unreal Tournament. Here is more of the same. The foliage detail in the game sucks and certainly isn't much better than any Halo game before it. Bland indoor level with only some fancy DX10(?) features to help with lighting. Nice sky textures and water, but the islands are piles of low-polygonal shit, only a marginal improvement over Halo 2.

bitter much?

That response doesn't even make sense. Hamburger was merely supporting the many claims about this games graphics with screen shots.

if you think the graphics suck, go here.

All of the screen shots add anti-aliasing. Not to mention they're cropped smaller than their intended resolution, so they seem "smoother." But I have to admit, those do look pretty. They're just a misrepresentation of actual game play.

 

[Beev]

Originally posted by: Anubis
the first Halo is 26 on that list did you miss that?
so it was better then basicially 3/4 of the best PC shooters

If 1/4 of the best PC FPS's are better than THE BEST console FPS then I think we're doing alright.

 

[randay]

water sucks, gatorades better.

grow up folks.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Anubis
the first Halo is 26 on that list did you miss that?
so it was better then basicially 3/4 of the best PC shooters

That list was in response to the troll who claimed there must not be any good shooters on the PC because he'd never heard of them. The numskull has obviously never even paid attention to what's available on PC, because apparently there are at least 25 titles which are better than Halo, and 75 or more which are at least in the same league.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

List would have made more sense if it was multiplayer FPS since that is really all most of us care about.

 

[Beev]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
List would have made more sense if it was multiplayer FPS since that is really all most of us care about.

I think there's only 3 in the top 10 that don't have multiplayer. Oh damn.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Quake 3 is numbe 42.......that list is retarded.