Got Gas? U.S. Economy to Worsen as Gas Prices Skyrocket

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Engineer

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Gas down to between $3.64 and $3.69 in Lexington today. Peaked at $4.05 a few weeks ago. Just hope it continues to go down.....really hate to see the economy tank again because of a push from high energy prices, not to mention the usual resulting inflation on other goods that are transported via truck (i.e. most of them).
 

dmcowen674

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It's a nice "relief" but still high. With oil cruising back to $101+ today, I suspect it's going to turn around and go back up.

No relief here. They played with the price all week. On way to work it would be $4.54, then on way back home it would be back a penny to $4.55. Then repeat. Then this morning they jack it back up 20 cents to $4.74.

These are stations downtown Chicago. The stations out in the suburbs have been running anywhere from $4.17 to $4.35 but they have been going up since the news of this refinery going down. They get rewarded for doing a shitty job and being incompetent.

Also heard on the radio that Petroleum jobs get the highest salaries in the U.S. for non executive position at $5 million dollars.
 

dmcowen674

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5-26-2011


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110526...jb3JkaW9uX2J1c2luZXNzBHNsawNvaWxuZWFyMTAyYW0-


Oil near $102


Oil prices inched higher to near $102 a barrel Thursday in Asia amid a weaker dollar and mixed signs about U.S. crude demand heading into the summer driving season.

The Energy Department said Wednesday that oil and gasoline supplies in the U.S. grew last week while distillate inventories fell. Four-week average oil demand in the U.S. dropped 5.3 percent, while gasoline demand fell 2.1 percent, the department said.


"Our biggest concern here is that economic data is poor," Cameron Hanover said in a report. "One look at this week's DOE report tells us that fundamentals in the world's largest oil-consuming market (U.S.) are not great."


Some analysts expect a growing global economy will help boost crude demand. Citigroup said it sees global gross domestic product expanding as much as 4 percent this year and next, led by developing countries.


"The ongoing global recovery with strong emerging market growth and a weak U.S. dollar are likely to continue supporting commodity prices over the medium and long term," said Citigroup, which expects oil to rise to $110 during the next six to 12 months.
 

bfdd

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Oil going up is manipulation. No one can hide it without something crazy happening to production which I just don't see happening outside of some large scale war or terrorist attack. Speculators are being wary but producers are getting bold with their price fixing.
 

dmcowen674

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Make it 30 cents jump

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/05/25/gas-prices-jump-after-refinery-disruption/

Gas Prices Jump After Refinery Disruption



Pain at the pump has returned after a disruption at a refinery caused gas prices to jump 10 to 30 cents across Metro Detroit.

Analyst Patrick DeHaan of GasBuddy.com said we can expect the prices to stay this high for several weeks.

“Exxon Mobil says that they suffered an unexpected refinery issue at their facility outside of Chicago, that has caused concern about supply and going into the Memorial Day weekend and that is pushing up wholesale gasoline prices, stations already paying a higher price than they were last week,” said DeHaan.

Some analysts are calling the timing of the refinery disruption, just before the start of Memorial Day weekend, “suspect.”

Drivers are using more descriptive words.
 

guyver01

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NATIONAL GAS PRICE AVERAGE GOING DOWN!!!

but you'll never see Liar McOwned post this.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/05/26/2907123/gas-price-dip-provides-a-little.html

A couple of weeks ago, the national average price for gasoline stood at $3.99 a gallon. By Thursday it had dropped to $3.81.

The average price for gas in April was the highest in more than two decades, and the momentum pushing prices higher continued into May. The federal Energy Information Administration and other analysts had been predicting the national average for gasoline would top $4 at some point this summer.

But now the federal agency is reconsidering.

“It is possible we have reached our peak,” said Neil Gamson, an analyst for EIA.
 
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Capt Caveman

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Make it 30 cents jump

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/05/25/gas-prices-jump-after-refinery-disruption/

Gas Prices Jump After Refinery Disruption



Pain at the pump has returned after a disruption at a refinery caused gas prices to jump 10 to 30 cents across Metro Detroit.

Analyst Patrick DeHaan of GasBuddy.com said we can expect the prices to stay this high for several weeks.

“Exxon Mobil says that they suffered an unexpected refinery issue at their facility outside of Chicago, that has caused concern about supply and going into the Memorial Day weekend and that is pushing up wholesale gasoline prices, stations already paying a higher price than they were last week,” said DeHaan.

Some analysts are calling the timing of the refinery disruption, just before the start of Memorial Day weekend, “suspect.”

Drivers are using more descriptive words.

http://www.chicagogasprices.com/

Yet down and dropping in Chicago. Since, it will NOT be $5 for Memorial Day as this troll posted so many times. Can he finally be banned for good?
 
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I paid $3.83 yesterday, $11.60 for 3.04 gallons of 87 octane regular. But that includes a 5 cent premium for pure gasoline - bikes don't like ethanol - and in different parts of town, I can buy gasoline with ethanol for as little as $3.59. It's slowly coming down here, even though Memorial Day is just around the corner.

EDIT: It's been bike weather all week, just scattered showers, and I got 47 mpg on that last tank.

i wish they sold gas w/out ethanol around here.
:mad:
 
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Gas jumped 20 cents overnight back near $5 at $4.74. Radio station (WBBM) said a refinery in Joliet went down and flared with no ETA to when it will be fixed so there is no gas for the Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin area for the Memorial Day Holiday weekend. Trucks are supposed be on the way from other areas and prices going up because the gas has to be shipped so far.

I'll look for a link when go into work later.

http://detnews.com/article/20110525/METRO05/105250357/1001/rss21

Holiday Hike, refinery trouble mean gas prices are going up

Michigan motorists could face higher gas prices today and into the travel-heavy Memorial Day weekend because of a problem at an Illinois refinery.

ExxonMobil said in an email late Tuesday it would not "speculate on when repairs might be completed.

The problem at the Joliet refinery — a compressor trip that led to a "flaring" of sulfur dioxide, according to ExxonMobil — raised short-term concerns about supply as the summer driving season begins Friday.

The projected gas price increase follows a dramatic increase in wholesale gasoline prices for the upper Great Lakes states since Friday, said Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst at Oil Price Information Service.

Wholesale prices in other regions have jumped a few cents compared with the near 40-cent increase in wholesale prices in Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Ohio and Kentucky, DeHaan said.

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Wow 40 cents, that will put Chicago over $5 this week in time for the Holiday


fear monger much?
 

The-Noid

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Over the last month I have averaged 8.9 mpg over 4 tanks of premium. Life goes on then you die.

If gas == more expensive then you want to pay, drive less or spend less on discretionary.

If you have no room in your budget for your working related expenses to increase, such as driving to work, to go up you have overspent on the rest of your life. It is fairly simple economically.

Decrease living expenses, increase earned income, drive less, spend less on discretionary.

The whole world is not a gift, sacrifices have to be made. I have just become sick of everyone you talk to going on and on about gas prices.
 
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Current oil prices have absolutely nothing to do with supply and demand, they are skyrocketing almost entirely because of unregulated speculative activity.

For the finance noobs: a "future" is basically a contract to buy goods at some point in the future at a guaranteed price that is set now. This contract allows buyers and sellers to "hedge" their business against the risk of sudden price fluctuations. The contracts themselves can also be bought and sold by "speculators" who treat them as an investment. For example, If the speculator thinks prices are going to increase in a market in the future, they will buy up a bunch of contracts at the currently low price. Once the prices rise, these cheap contracts are suddenly worth a lot more money. The benefit of the speculative activity (aside from a money making opportunity for the speculators), is that it provides extra liquidity to the market. If you are a farmer and have a bunch of corn to sell but no one wants to buy it, a speculator might buy a future contract because he thinks he can make money on it later, allowing you to get money for your corn now. The important part of all this, is that futures markets are heavily regulated - there is a limit to how many futures you can hold at once. This prevents some rich dude from coming in and buying up all the futures to get a stranglehold on the market in order to fix prices, and otherwise prevent wild price fluctuations caused by over-speculation.

~~~~BUT~~~~~ Over the past 20 years, the US government has secretly handed out commodity futures position limit exemptions to several American financial companies, most notably Goldman Sachs. Removing the limit on the number of long positions a bank can hold allows them to continually buy more and more of the futures, but never sell them (they technically do sell them right before the contract date so that oil doesn't actually show up on their doorstep, but immediately re-buy an equal amount of replacement contracts). This creates a huge amount of completely artificial demand, which continually drives the prices up. The fact that the futures have to be sold and replaced before the contract date means that these transactions are happening constantly (especially thanks to electronic banking), which creates almost perfect liquidity, allowing the cycle to continue. The banks fund the whole thing by turning their futures assets into a commodity index, and selling stakes in it as an investment product to every day people. Because only these companies with the exemptions are legally allowed to do this, they can get away with charging hefty service/processing fees, insuring that they come out ahead no matter what happens in the markets. The whole system is basically an incredibly genius way for banks and investors to make money without anyone actually DOING anything. It's really actually somewhat mind boggling.

Unfortunately, even this simplification of whats happening is too complicated for the average retard American, so the media can't report on it without confusing their readers and causing them to lose interest. So all you get to hear is bullshit sensationalist stories about how oil prices are skyrocketing due to conflict in the middle east.

The government absolutely knows what is causing the skyrocketing prices, but there are far too many influential (rich) people making far too much money for anything to be done about it. Politicians arguing about inconsequential things like offshore drilling is pure misdirection.
 

Doppel

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The government absolutely knows what is causing the skyrocketing prices, but there are far too many influential (rich) people making far too much money for anything to be done about it.
That's America for you in 2011. Land of the lobbyists, who own the government. It all traces back certainly to a huge need for campaign reform. The only reason the government bends over and hands a bottle of KY to these lobbyists, who are paid by the corporations, is because they need support to get reelected and then continue to pat everyone's back except yours--that is, unless you own a lobbyist yourself. But you gotta pay to play. We are more or less cattle in a pen shuffled around by ranchers. We have innate value but one by one not very much and unless we happen to get organized and form a stampede (rare) we otherwise just moo and grunt as we're led around, kept mostly fat and very stupid, like a good cow.
 

Engineer

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Gas tanks are draining family budgets.


Households spent an average of $369 on gas last month. In April 2009, they spent just $201. Families now spend more filling up than they spend on cars, clothes or recreation. Last year, they spent less on gasoline than each of those things.

While I understand that gas is more expensive, are people really averaging $369 per month on gas? Damn, that seems very high to me. hmmmmm
 
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I wonder if the tornadoes have had any effect on the gas prices. I like to say that gas prices go up when the wind blows.

I'm really noticing the gas prices in the increasing cost of milk. It's running $4-4.50 in my area. I thought about buying some cereal at the supermarket today, but contemplated the cost of milk for it and held back. (Maybe the gas prices don't have too much to do with milk prices, but cows eat corn and corn-based ethanol is being used as a gasoline additive.)
 

chucky2

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Dem. machine to speculators: What's it going to take to get gas low for Memorial Day weekend?

Rep. machine to speculators: What's it going to take to get gas high for Memorial Day weekend?

Looks like the Dem's gave them a better deal.....

Chuck
 

desy

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Its not ethanol driving up the price of food
Oil drives up transportation to farm inputs to the cost of the plastic bottle you buy it in , to the overhead of every staple paperclip rubber band along the way
 
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Its not ethanol driving up the price of food
Oil drives up transportation to farm inputs to the cost of the plastic bottle you buy it in , to the overhead of every staple paperclip rubber band along the way

I get that, but it seems like milk in particular is much more expensive than it was just a year or two ago. Ironically, the title of this thread was a take off on the famous add slogan, "Got Milk?", and now we're talking about milk.