Got Gas? U.S. Economy to Worsen as Gas Prices Skyrocket

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LegendKiller

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Not according to AAA. I don't understand why you must play this chicken little bullshit.

http://fuelgaugereport.opisnet.com/ILmetro.asp

In Dave's world data doesn't matter.

This is the guy who is a petrolium engineer (drive for 5!), a mechanical engineer (everything), a civil engineer (the MSP bridge collapsed because an earthquake), a geologist (earthquake!), a meteorologist (that tornado is a class 5, I saw it on doppler!), and a weapons expert.

Yet, somehow, dave can't manage to hold a regular job in a single town for a long period.
 

dmcowen674

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In Dave's world data doesn't matter.

This is the guy who is a petrolium engineer (drive for 5!), a mechanical engineer (everything), a civil engineer (the MSP bridge collapsed because an earthquake), a geologist (earthquake!), a meteorologist (that tornado is a class 5, I saw it on doppler!), and a weapons expert.

As long as you got it all straight.
 

The-Noid

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Buy more CL/H1 the world is coming to an end, I read it from a guy on anandtech that seems like a reputable source.
 
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dmcowen674

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1-16-2011

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110116/ts_nm/us_total_ceo_oil_1

Brent crude rose above $99 a barrel on Friday in New York, gaining 5.73 percent on the week. Meanwhile, [COLOR=#366388 ! important][COLOR=#366388 ! important]U.S. [COLOR=#366388 ! important]crude [/COLOR][COLOR=#366388 ! important]oil[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] for February delivery rose 14 cents to settle at $91.54 a barrel.

Asked whether [COLOR=#366388 ! important][COLOR=#366388 ! important]OPEC[/COLOR][/COLOR] should raise production, de Margerie said that may not help curb rising prices.


"It's difficult because there is no shortage of oil.



Today it is much more determined by the market"


[COLOR=#366388 ! important][COLOR=#366388 ! important]Iran's [COLOR=#366388 ! important]oil [/COLOR][COLOR=#366388 ! important]minister[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] said on Sunday no OPEC countries had requested an emergency meeting to discuss the rising price of crude. Massoud Mirkazemi called $100 oil a "real" price and said it was not a matter of concern for producers.
 

dmcowen674

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Most articles are preparing for plus $4 gas

New York is catching up to Chicago

1-17-2011

http://www.fox23news.com/news/local/story/Gas-prices-up-again/1BaDAurNlUW8znI1tRNR0A.cspx?rss=39

Gas prices up again

Another week brings another bump in local gas prices.


The average cost for a gallon of gas is now $3.31, up three cents from last week.


Compare that to this time a year ago when the average was $2.85.


Some stations in the area are charging as much as $3.43 a gallon, with the lowest price being about $3.23.
 

dmcowen674

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http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx?z=7&lat=41.865906&long=-87.724243&ft=A&tl=48

not seeing any $4s, not even seeing any $3.75s. most are in the $3.20s and $3.30s.

there's one at $3.69.

The $3.20-30's are outside of City of Chicago

There may be a 40 cent to one dollar per gallon tax according to one of the P&N Oil and Gas experts. Seems awfully high and excessive but might be possible. The local sales tax is 13.5% the highest in the country so maybe they have a dollar gas tax. I haven't seen the gas tax rate.
 

blackangst1

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The $3.20-30's are outside of City of Chicago

There may be a 40 cent to one dollar per gallon tax according to one of the P&N Oil and Gas experts. Seems awfully high and excessive but might be possible. The local sales tax is 13.5% the highest in the country so maybe they have a dollar gas tax. I haven't seen the gas tax rate.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/245.html

CA 46.6 cents
CT 41.9
HI 44.4
NY 44.6
Lowest is AK at 8 cents/gal
 

Scotteq

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A full dollar difference?

If that is the case then let them reply that is the issue.

Check Page 2 for the breakdown: http://www.api.org/statistics/fueltaxes/

48 cents/gallon is the average for {State + Federal} taxes on gas, apparently. 66 cents a gallon in California (surprise, surprise) on the high end. 26 Cents in Alaska on the very low.

And yes, Transportation costs do matter.



Edit - According to the Wiki, our friends in the UK pay GBP2.20 per US Gallon in taxes on Gasoline (Petrol) (about US$ 3.50/gallon). That basically would double what we pay in the USA, if the tax structure were the same.
 
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werepossum

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A full dollar difference?

If that is the case then let them reply that is the issue.

Another possible factor is that many large cities require boutique blends of gas, which means they have no purchasing power and only one or two refineries will make gasoline for them. That really causes the prices to soar.
 

dmcowen674

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A full dollar difference?

If that is the case then let them reply that is the issue.



Another possible factor is that many large cities require boutique blends of gas, which means they have no purchasing power and only one or two refineries will make gasoline for them.

That really causes the prices to soar.

Does that mean the gas comes with a blue ribbon?

Sounds like the AG should be investigating these expensive no competition RICCO type requirements. Clearly there individuals raking in corrupt money from this set up.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Does that mean the gas comes with a blue ribbon?

Sounds like the AG should be investigating these expensive no competition RICCO type requirements. Clearly there individuals raking in corrupt money from this set up.

No, there are winter and summer fuel blends required by the state of Illinois. It may differ from other states in the area so higher prices are more than likely due to said requirements.
 

chucky2

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Yeah, but that excuse doesn't fly. When the price of fuel goes up in the winter, it's because 'of the special blend'. When it goes up in the summer, it's again becase 'of the special blend'. It should only go up for one of them. Also funny, when it goes back up, it doesn't ever seem to fall back down.

$3.29 at the Monee/Manhattan exit on I-57 at the BP, for 87...was $3.19 for the past week or three at least.

Chuck
 

dmcowen674

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No, there are winter and summer fuel blends required by the state of Illinois. It may differ from other states in the area so higher prices are more than likely due to said requirements.

Yeah, but that excuse doesn't fly.

When the price of fuel goes up in the winter, it's because 'of the special blend'.

When it goes up in the summer, it's again because 'of the special blend'.

It should only go up for one of them.

Also funny, when it goes back up, it doesn't ever seem to fall back down.

$3.29 at the Monee/Manhattan exit on I-57 at the BP, for 87...was $3.19 for the past week or three at least.

Exactly, I'm looking for proof especially of the "special winter blend".
 

chucky2

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Well, I can understand if they need to switch over, there are costs in that. But once the switchover is completed, costs should be going back down. And, given that the switchover is already known about, and hence planned for, in advance, their costs are a given.

I'd almost say they could just eat the cost and not touch the price of gas, but, that'd be too....helpful...to their customers.

Chuck
 

Londo_Jowo

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Yeah, but that excuse doesn't fly. When the price of fuel goes up in the winter, it's because 'of the special blend'. When it goes up in the summer, it's again becase 'of the special blend'. It should only go up for one of them. Also funny, when it goes back up, it doesn't ever seem to fall back down.

$3.29 at the Monee/Manhattan exit on I-57 at the BP, for 87...was $3.19 for the past week or three at least.

Chuck

The ingredients in the blend determine the cost. One of the most expensive components is the catalyst used in the CAT crackers. The change out cost millions of dollars and it can't be reused.
 

dmcowen674

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Nevermind

Found a local article that says Chicago drivers want $4 a gallon

Illinois gas prices highest
Little outcry as cost creeps toward $4
By Robert Manor
Tribune staff reporter

May 22, 2007

Gasoline prices reached a record high Monday, with Illinois having the most expensive gas in the nation, just as vacationing motorists get ready for the Memorial Day weekend.

Curiously, gas costing well over $3 a gallon does not seem to be deterring vacationers and has not provoked the kind of social uproar seen in 1981, the last time prices were this high.

"It is almost as if consumers are resigned to this, that this is what they are going to be paying," said Beth Mosher, director of public affairs for AAA Chicago.

Gasoline has never been costlier after accounting for inflation, one energy expert said.

"In today's prices, the price of gasoline in 1981 was about $3.18 a gallon," said Stephen Brown, director of energy economics at the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. He said that price had never been surpassed until now.

The average price of regular gasoline in Illinois Monday was $3.457, AAA reported. It has risen 54.9 cents during the past month and was more than 25 cents above the national average of $3.196.

Chicago's prices were even higher. The average price of regular gasoline in the city was $3.568, beaten only by a few West Coast cities in the San Francisco Bay area.

Both local and national factors are pushing up prices.

Chicago has particularly high taxes on gasoline. David Sykuta, executive director of the Illinois Petroleum Council, said the city of Chicago's high taxes make its gasoline the most expensive in the region.

But low inventories of gasoline also are doing much to raise fuel prices. An unusually high number of refineries have had to shut down unexpectedly for repairs at a time when they would ordinarily be building inventories of gas for the summer driving season. And the reformulated gasoline meant to reduce smog in Chicago and some other parts of the country is in short supply.

"This whole late spring has been especially tough on supply in the Midwest," Sykuta said.

In part, that is because of mishaps at refineries.

For example, the BP refinery in Whiting, Ind., one of the largest in the U.S. and a major supplier of the customized gasoline sold in Chicago during the summer, still is recovering from damage done earlier this year.

In late March, a fire curtailed production at the refinery, which can refine 405,000 barrels a day. Then, a power failure in early April caused more damage.

"Right now the refinery is running at about half of its normal output," said BP spokesman Scott Dean. "We are working around the clock to as quickly and safely as possible resume full production."

But he said the refinery may not return to full production until later in the summer.
 

dmcowen674

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Nevermind

Found a local article that says Chicago drivers want $4 a gallon



Only in Chicago and only 3 years ago :rolleyes:

Nothing has changed in three years, in fact apparently has gotten worse or better if you like profits and paying higher prices than the rest of the country.

This where your bonus money comes from?