got a warning from the dean, what would you do?

[stan394]

i agree with the latter part of this thread

 

[deejayshakur]

Originally posted by: mugs
You act like she's obligated to give you those answers... what entitles you to more information than the newspaper got? And do you think nagging them is going to make them get the wireless Internet in earlier? Your reason for wanting it is pathetic... paper, pencil, take notes!

actually, the system works as long as professors post the powerpoint presentations the night before. it's the ones that post them 30min before lecture that make our whole class go scrambling to the library to print them out. real efficient.

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: deejayshakur

Originally posted by: Sphexi
you have absolutely NO right to be questioning her or her performance in her job. Your dean was 100% right, and you need to suck it up and move on, and take his advice.

except for the fact that she's given the same response 4 years running. meanwhile, the pharm school just opened and guess what! they have wireless access. all i asked for was a definite response to when we should be expecting it and she's been avoiding that question for a 4th consecutive year. we're paying $30 grand a year--as did the classes before us. you would be expecting a lot for your money as well.

Your grades are more important than your internet. You might want to take a writing class (I'm not being condescending, most people don't know better) becuase you definitely should not be using a phrase such as "I figured that.." in an email to a college employee. I'm astounded with how well the Dean has approached the issue, and reccomend you follow his advice.

Saying that they were 'incapable' of doing something is atrocious, and you should not be condescending to a college employee because as you are now finding out, word spreads very quickly especially in large places such as a workplace or college. You are not entitled to anything other than an education at the college, unless, which I doubt, you signed a terms of agreement paper with your education institution. Good luck, and try to change your attitude from now on.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: deejayshakur

Originally posted by: mugs
You act like she's obligated to give you those answers... what entitles you to more information than the newspaper got? And do you think nagging them is going to make them get the wireless Internet in earlier? Your reason for wanting it is pathetic... paper, pencil, take notes!

actually, the system works as long as professors post the powerpoint presentations the night before. it's the ones that post them 30min before lecture that make our whole class go scrambling to the library to print them out. real efficient.

Don't they project them on a screen? I had a lot of professors in college who used PowerPoint for notes... we managed without having to print them.

 

[rezinn]

Unfortunately just because you have a degree doesn't mean you're not an immature ass. I agree completely with the dean.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

you come off as a smart-ass know-it-all

 

[Lifted]

Users generally have "issues" with their MIS departments, management knows that, and ignores it because they know the end users do not have the full picture. Did you ever consider that when her budget is approved, Wireless access may not be included for many reasons? It is most likely not her fault and it looks as if she was going to be kind enough to explain what the real issue was (the higer-ups most likely), but you replied with some scathing/rude email demanding some % nonsense.

You blew it. Try to learn from this.

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
you come off as a smart-ass know-it-all

:thumbsup:

 

[imported_Pablo]

It would have been a lot easier to talk to somebody on the phone about this. Email is good in some instances, but a phonecall can help you find what you need a lot quicker usually.

 

[Reel]

Is this a public university or private? If it is public, they may be accountable to you. If it is private, you pretty much have no recourse. Regardless, you are there at their decision. If they decide that you have stepped on too many toes, they can be sure that you are no longer there. For something like wireless access, I would back off the situation and keep my head down for a while. You pushed too hard on the wrong person and they got someone that can really mess you up to back them. You don't know their relationship. All you need to know is that someone with a powerful position now has their eye on you. You can't win unless there is some written statement of accountability. Even in that situation, you may think you win but you'll still lose. My advice (and believe me I have found myself in your spot before) is to back off at this point. You tried and did your best but now you have to give it up unless you are willing to look for another school. You may be right. They may be wrong but all that matters to you right now is they have the power.

 

[daveymark]

get over it and move on with your life. Some battles must be lost in order to win the war

 

[ColdFusion718]

Just go tell the dean you are sorry for taking that kind of tone. It's not worth it to get kicked out of school over something stupid (i.e. nursing your ego). Be the bigger man. By the way, in the real world you are more likely to get what you ask for if you do it with courtesy, professionalism, and a little bit of charm.

When was the last time you were curt with a girl who came up to you, gave you a compliment, then asked you to help her with something such as, "oh, hey could you show me where building _____ is?"

 

[Zenmervolt]

Both sides need some serious work...

Your last E-mail is honestly inexcuseable. However, the Dean's remarks (and his inability to understand the difference between "their" and "there") are likewise inexcuseable.

Call this one a draw and quit pushing the issue.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Talk to your student government,

Student government doesn't do jack sh!t. And the Dean knows it.

ZV

 

[Pepsi90919]

your writing style was unprofessional in your first letter, then you overdid your last one.

 

[deejayshakur]

good posts, reel and coldfusion. i do find it interesting that with a google search, both the dean and MIS queen graduated from the same university. it's also the dean's first year here.

it's funny that my entire life, i've been the most passive and agreeable person--coworkers and bosses have told me that multiple times. the one time that i decide to fire it up, i get caught. oh well, passivity pays i guess.

the question now: do i show my head in the office and apologize or just shoot over an e-mail? a black mark could be fatal as far as my future career, and i'd rather have my folder shredded at the end of the year or something (i'm in year 1 of 4). is that worth discussing? ("oh, you just misunderstood my tone.")

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: jspeicher
you do come off as kind of an ass in those emails. be more people friendly.

Get a real job,get your own house/mortgage,etc............
and get cable internet.

If you live on a campus/go to school there,etc....
your lucky to have Any internet access.

At my work I have No internet access,ZERO.

Heck i don't even have a desk/personal work p/c etc.

I do have a pen,and paper supplied by work.

 

[kranky]

I see that the dean's response focused on your communication skills, which he is correct in doing.

"Frankly, I have neither the time nor interest in meeting with you regarding this matter"
"it would be a complete waste of my time if I had to listen to you repeat the same packaged reply"

Sorry, but you went way over the line. You were being a smartass and it's no wonder you aren't getting any cooperation.

 

[thehstrybean]

You came off as an ass. I'm only in HS, but when I write to the administration (about the same issue, actually), I try to use a strict but passive tone. Just think about sucking up a lot and you can usually write a good email. Also, go through the gov't. They may not do much, but if the rest of the classes agrees with you, then that should be enough pressure.

 

[Jadow]

I'd hate to see your bedside manners when you're a doctor.

House JR.

 

[deejayshakur]

Go talk to the Dean and Ms.P, tell them you made a mistake even if you do not think that you did. The Dean have the upper hand on you, his testicles are way bigger than yours, and can f%$k you up in a recommendation letter later. The world is not fair. Walk away from this with an apology knowing full well that this is bullshit.

-my uncle, MD and JD-student.

 

[FoBoT]

don't rock the boat, you will lose

 

[OVERKILL]

Wow, your last response was snobbish and pretty arrogant. The dean took it easy on you.
There's something that you didn't realize yet, but you are very fortunate to even be in medical school, i'm sure many people wished they were in medical school but can't afford it.
It's about time that you appreciate what you have.
Also, as someone else already mentioned, your lucky you even have internet access.
For your sake, hopefully your going to learn from this situation.

 

[Reel]

Originally posted by: deejayshakur

Go talk to the Dean and Ms.P, tell them you made a mistake even if you do not think that you did. The Dean have the upper hand on you, his testicles are way bigger than yours, and can f%$k you up in a recommendation letter later. The world is not fair. Walk away from this with an apology knowing full well that this is bullshit.

-my uncle, MD and JD-student.

I think that is sound advice. If that isn't what I wrote, that is along the lines of what I meant.

 

[myusername]

The woman is probably incompetent, and she did specifically tell you to check back with her for an answer. She was unable to give this answer, and failed to firmly communicate to you that either she did not have, or was unable to give you an answer.

This happens often under situations of mismanagement. However, employees in a mismanaged system (whether incompetent or not) are in a situation where they cannot tell you "Yes the company you blew all your cash on has no ****** clue what it is doing."

It doesn't make her right, but it does make her just like the rest of the waste-of-sperm administrators out there, so in that sense the Dean is correct. It doesn't matter if you are "right" - this is how the real world works, and it's sink or swim, baby

While not professional, your first two emails were acceptable. The third is totally unacceptable, and an embarassment. I'm not saying I haven't written similar letters - like to vendors who haven't written a bugfix for 6 months, but it's not something I'm proud of, and in any sort of structured environment where I wasn't the owner/operator, it very well could cost my job.

The Dean is a tool. Keeping "secret files" is completely unprofessional in a sort of third-grade "that will go on your permanent record" fashion. Unfortunately, he's also spot on with his analysis.