Gosh, are Democrats sensing there is something wrong with their messaging?

[dank69]

Republicans don't control Fox news, ...

Is that a joke?

 

[MrSquished]

Democratic messaging is not very good and it would make a huge difference if they got much better at it. Fast. Politics is messaging. If they got their shit together last year they would likely not be potentially in such trouble this November.

 

[UNCjigga]

Is that a joke?

He’s right—Republicans don’t control Fox News…their donors do.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Ok, so what messaging do you people think will work? I've been seeing this same argument from you people for years on here and you never have anything to offer for what they should be doing. The rare times I've seen any of you offer something, then when shown they fucking did that just start spouting right wing talking points. Hell half the time you'll criticize Dems for going too far on messaging then turn around and say they're not doing enough and blah blah blah.

You guys are so fucking gaslit its not funny. This is the exact same shit you people were spouting in like 2015. At some point you need to change your own fucking messaging and recognize your role in the things you're bitching about.

 

[HomerJS]

Ok, so what messaging do you people think will work? I've been seeing this same argument from you people for years on here and you never have anything to offer for what they should be doing. The rare times I've seen any of you offer something, then when shown they fucking did that just start spouting right wing talking points. Hell half the time you'll criticize Dems for going too far on messaging then turn around and say they're not doing enough and blah blah blah.

You guys are so fucking gaslit its not funny. This is the exact same shit you people were spouting in like 2015. At some point you need to change your own fucking messaging and recognize your role in the things you're bitching about.

How about my idea of blanketing the airways labeling Republicans pro Putin? There are at least 2 dozen lawmakers giving their public admiration of Putin. Run their comments on a loop with the clips of the war.

Beat it into the heads of people until they believe. How do you think "defund the police" stuck to Democrats even though the party and leadership did not endorse?

Even this week we have a former President and a former head of the CIA praising Putin. What more do we need??

 

[sportage]

Speaking of the political stage messaging, democrats don't seem to have that mad-dog mentality as republicans do. Democrats stop just short of gouging out the eyes where republicans not only gouge out the eyes, they stick the gouged out eyes on a stick and wave it around in celebration.

The few times when a democrat has shown anger on camera, like when Joe Biden called that Fox News reporter a "stupid son of a bitch", everyone GASPS in disbelief. Oh WOW... MOTHER OF GOD... HOW DARE HE...???
Yet, republicans pull this kind of shit every hour of every day and no one flinches. We're use to it. And THEY are use to doing it.

The same applies to legislation. Democrats would never cry fowl or fake election when a republican wins an election, but republicans will.
And democrats in congress would never think of denying a sitting republican president his US Supreme Court justice, but Mitch McConnell did. McConnell pulled that stunt on Obama, got away with it, and few even cared. It was like we expect this kind of shit from.... A REPUBLICAN. But never from a democrat.

And so, that is just one reason why democrats keep losing the battle. Democrats believe in the game and playing it fairly and by the rules. Republicans could give a shit about playing fair or the rules, and the game? To go straight for the eyes.

 

[HomerJS]

Add to my idea of labeling pro Putin, we have pro white nationalist. Get those campaigns started.
Marjorie Taylor Greene speaks at white nationalist conference (azcentral.com)

Like @sportage said, gouge their fucking eyes out. Just ensure one thing, no lies. There's enough bad shit by Republicans we have truth on our side.

 

[dank69]

He’s right—Republicans don’t control Fox News…their donors do.

Is this a joke?

 

[dank69]

How about my idea of blanketing the airways labeling Republicans pro Putin? There are at least 2 dozen lawmakers giving their public admiration of Putin. Run their comments on a loop with the clips of the war.

Beat it into the heads of people until they believe. How do you think "defund the police" stuck to Democrats even though the party and leadership did not endorse?

Even this week we have a former President and a former head of the CIA praising Putin. What more do we need??

I asked you what are the laws regarding political advertising for a reason. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of restrictions on how political advertising can be done. Republicans don't need to worry about those laws because they have millions of unpaid interns that do it for fun.

 

[UNCjigga]

One example of the messaging dichotomy. Actual Republicans in Congress can show up at a white supremacist conference and speak—and barely a blip in the news.

Democratic Socialists of America—who are NOT the Democrats—blame US and NATO for Russian aggression and call for an “immediate withdrawal from NATO” and “OMIGOD we just lost the midterms!”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497809057847156737

 

[HomerJS]

I asked you what are the laws regarding political advertising for a reason. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of restrictions on how political advertising can be done. Republicans don't need to worry about those laws because they have millions of unpaid interns that do it for fun.

All you need to do is show the clips of Republicans praising Trump, cut to the clips of the war horrors and end with a caption, "Condemn don't praise". Maybe include the caption "Pro Putin?" Do the old Fox News trick where you are only asking a question.

 

[dank69]

All you need to do is show the clips of Republicans praising Trump, cut to the clips of the war horrors and end with a caption, "Condemn don't praise". Maybe include the caption "Pro Putin?" Do the old Fox News trick where you are only asking a question.

You have to pay to show that clip, and there are rules regulating when and how you can advertise. It seems like you are not understanding my point. Msnbc has been running clips like you suggest for decades. Nobody watches that that isn't already convinced. You need to get the message to independents and there is no media channel to do that in any real capacity that they aren't already using. We will never match the sheer fanaticism of the right, and no change in messaging can overcome that disadvantage.

 

[hal2kilo]

Is this a joke?

It's basically the same thing.

 

[dank69]

It's basically the same thing.

It's 100% the same thing in every way that matters. The people that own Fox and control every outgoing message are Republicans. They regularly circulate RNC talking points memos. They have been caught red-handed doing this. Fox News is a Republican media outlet, along with a ton of talk radio, a ton of huge internet "news" sites, and 2 other dedicated TV "news" channels.

 

[HomerJS]

You have to pay to show that clip, and there are rules regulating when and how you can advertise. It seems like you are not understanding my point. Msnbc has been running clips like you suggest for decades. Nobody watches that that isn't already convinced. You need to get the message to independents and there is no media channel to do that in any real capacity that they aren't already using. We will never match the sheer fanaticism of the right, and no change in messaging can overcome that disadvantage.

How are independents convinced the Democratic Party wants to defund the police when that isn't their policy?? How do Democrats get tagged with every instance of "woke" when sometimes it really isn't?

 

[dank69]

How are independents convinced the Democratic Party wants to defund the police when that isn't their policy?? How do Democrats get tagged with every instance of "woke" when sometimes it really isn't?

Because conservatives broadcast that shit everywhere. For free. They'll tell anyone who will listen, so even people that pay zero attention to politics are bombarded by only conservative talking points. People can't escape it.

 

[nickqt]

How are independents convinced the Democratic Party wants to defund the police when that isn't their policy?? How do Democrats get tagged with every instance of "woke" when sometimes it really isn't?

Fox, Facebook, OANN, Breitbart, Parler, etc. They make the claim that Democrats are Communists/Socialists/Fascist/insert-scary-phrase-here.

Independents™ and capital-L Libertarians are just Republicans who have a modicum of integrity and self-awareness so have dropped the "Republican" label, even though they are still Republicans.

Independent voters are typically people who don't pay attention to politics, so they get forwarded dogshit from their fascist friends and family members, and because they do zero research, just go with what their fascist friends and family members tell them.

That's it. That's they mystery.

 

[Moonbeam]

My fellow Americans. Our nation is under threat. The free world itself has been told by Vladimir Putin that he has gone to nuclear high alert. We are faced with the prospect of WW3 including the extinction of the human race. And while this is young on the same political party that promoted a violent attack on the nation’s capital, including the attempt to kill the Vice President, the speaker of the House, and did murder members of the Capital Police claiming it was a tourist group exercising free speech, are now declaring themselves to be on the war criminal Putin’s side. Our Democratic way of life, even the possibility of the life of future generations itself, are under attack by a dangerous foreign enemy aided and abetted from within.

And thus it is, with careful consideration and the advise of our military leaders, that, owing to the paralysis of government, by the seditionist Republican Party, I am with a heavy heart declaring Martial law.

I will be making known in greater in the days ahead the nature Thatmartisl law will take and the instructions that will be given. However, owing to the depth of the threat we are under and the help our external enemy is getting from with our country and our very government, I am temporarily banning the Republican Party, arresting its leadership, and the owners of all the propaganda media that supports them.

Our Constitution has failed to protect us from rot within, such that the will of the voices of majority of the people of our great nation do not translate into legislation and this must end. It will be amended under Martial law and later subjected to popular vote, becoming new law if it passes and we survive.

We are now at war with the Russian state of Vladimir Putin but not the Russian people opposed to him who we will attempt to help instead.

Pray that the madness we have allowed to fester within our country and the world is successfully repelled.

PS: The right should have anticipated that sane people would not allow themselves to be subjunctive to deep insanity. To allow that would be insane.

We hold these truth to be self evident, that a violent attack on the Capitol that causes death and the support of a nuclear mad man is not sanity. And those of you who disagree in organized opposition to this declaration of martial law, should consider yourselves warned.

God bless America. Your President

 

[adamsleath]

i'd have thought the putin - trump relationship would have been abundantly clear by now. even to a blind bat.

putin is utilising his miltary. unfortunately it requires a response in kind. (i suppose)
balancing escalation with diplomatic resolutions has to be prioritised, but in light of putin's apparent objectives, is limited.

but, putin has now invaded more territory, has involved its puppet state of Belarus. what the end game is seems clear. occupy Kyiv. dominate ukraine. but they are not there yet. while putin sits in his mansion. directing operations...

like any negotiation, when the other party is pushing for their interests, you have to push back with yours. basic.


i am of necessity quite conservative, but i think trump is pure poison. a dangerous idiot. also yesterday's 'radical' is tomorrow's conservative. there's a bit of truth in extreme messaging sometimes. and other times it's dangerous rot.
good luck. stay sane...

 

[HomerJS]

Fucking Democrats and there lack of messaging fight. SOTU today there was a long segment about the war. Not one time did he say...

Putin is NOT a genius
Putin is NOT someone to be admired.
Putin is NOT our friend

That would have been a well deserved slap against Republicans. Meanwhile all their bullshit continues to take hold.

 

[Lezunto]

The only person who has said consistently for years that Putin is the real danger has been Utah Republican Senator Mitt Romney.

I do not see why Democrats do not play up the threat to Ukraine's Jewish population.

Zelensky is Jewish, which makes a mockery of Putin's silly claim he invaded Ukraine to rid the country of Nazis.

Because most of the Nazis are in the U.S. They just refer to themselves as die-hard Trump supporters.

 

[fskimospy]

The only person who has said consistently for years that Putin is the real danger has been Utah Republican Senator Mitt Romney.

I do not see why Democrats do not play up the threat to Ukraine's Jewish population.

Zelensky is Jewish, which makes a mockery of Putin's silly claim he invaded Ukraine to rid the country of Nazis.

Because most of the Nazis are in the U.S. They're just refer to themselves as die-hard Trump supporters.

Putin is like Trump. They are shameless liars and they don’t care if their claims are silly.

 

[Jaskalas]

Re: the topic. Perhaps it would help if the Democrats had a leader who could deliver the message.
Then again, what would a charismatic leader actually say?

Needs both a grass roots campaign coupled with professional campaign staff. To feel the room and respond appropriately to the public's concerns. To take Republicans to task for their sins, using language that mobilizes voters to hold them accountable. In cases where the vote was not already lost. Not an inconsiderate number.

OTOH, the next couple elections have been poisoned by incumbency. Of having perceived ownership of the country and its problems. Facing a campaign of "you caused this!" This is a very difficult position to be in. The rules in bad times are not the same as in good times. People are far less likely to trust the President or his party when they are "responsible" for so much.

 

[Leeea]

Is that a joke?

I firmly believe Republicans do not control Fox News.


Fox News controls republicans.


Or specifically, Robert Murdoch controls Fox News, and Fox News controls the republicans. Who in turn do everything they can to gain favor from their King Robert.