Gosh, are Democrats sensing there is something wrong with their messaging?

[Moonbeam]

Problem is Democrats already do what you suggest but the public still believes they are doing what you think they should not do.

Look, if you are right and I think your point is well taken, then the solution, it seems to me would be th harp on the message intended and then on how the right distorts it until everybody is saying to themselves, there the right goes again, trying to distort the message. Harp on how the right is full of liars and traitors and power mongering human excrement.

When speaking to the press, remind them they are out to serve media owners financial interests by creating traitorous divisions with the intention to deliver adds.

 

[dank69]

Look, if you are right and I think your point is well taken, then the solution, it seems to me would be th harp on the message intended and then on how the right distorts it until everybody is saying to themselves, there the right goes again, trying to distort the message. Harp on how the right is full of liars and traitors and power mongering human excrement.

When speaking to the press, remind them they are out to serve media owners financial interests by creating traitorous divisions with the intention to deliver adds.

That sounds like something the leftist main stream media would say.

 

[Moonbeam]

I agree - our diversity, equity, and inclusion people used to work in the space right outside my office so I could overhear their conversations sometimes. I'm a very liberal guy but I wanted to strangle them as they attempted to unpack their privileges to examine their Starbucks ordering process through the lens of equity.

I don't know about ordering through the lens of equality, but I do know that those who can bundle the most orders together should be able to go to the front of the line. And if you did order they should be able to take it from you and sell it by the sip for ten times what you paid for it. Just because you got there when the store wasn't busy and demand for coffee was such as to make it relatively cheep, doesn't mean you aren't a greedy hoarder for wanting to finish your drink. Think of all the poor souls dying for a fix.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't know about ordering through the lens of equality, but I do know that those who can bundle the most orders together should be able to go to the front of the line. And if you did order they should be able to take it from you and sell it by the sip for ten times what you paid for it. Just because you got there when the store wasn't busy and demand for coffee was such as to make it relatively cheep, doesn't mean you aren't a greedy hoarder for wanting to finish your drink. Think of all the poor souls dying for a fix.

Lol.

It is darkly funny to me how unwilling you are to accept the monstrous results of your preferred policies.

 

[Moonbeam]

Lol.

It is darkly funny to me how unwilling you are to accept the monstrous results of your preferred policies.

A lot I did was but a house in a place I could never afford and can continue to afford to live in because others voted to stop annual tax increases based on property values demand was driving poorer people out of their homes. I voted no on thirteen not yes. My vote today and my position today are irrelevant because there has not been an occasion where my vote would change anything. I do not like a solution to homelessness that taxes low income elderly out of their life long homes because they are supposedly land rich when they still prefer to be low income and stay where they are. I think you are the monster. As soon as prop 13 is eliminated I will be forced to move and my house will be sold to someone with a very large income. No homeless persons will be housed. I will just be replaced by someone with money. Affordable housing in my area runs about a half a million and up and includes a few unites per hundred built.

 

[fskimospy]

A lot I did was but a house in a place I could never afford and can continue to afford to live in because others voted to stop annual tax increases based on property values demand was driving poorer people out of their homes. I voted no on thirteen not yes. My vote today and my position today are irrelevant because there has not been an occasion where my vote would change anything. I do not like a solution to homelessness that taxes low income elderly out of their life long homes because they are supposedly land rich when they still prefer to be low income and stay where they are. I think you are the monster. As soon as prop 13 is eliminated I will be forced to move and my house will be sold to someone with a very large income. No homeless persons will be housed. I will just be replaced by someone with money. Affordable housing in my area runs about a half a million and up and includes a few unites per hundred built.

I know. You rescued a couple people from the horrors you support. This is an indictment of you, not a support.

 

[emperus]

This article is absurd on its face and is emblematic of journalist stenographer brain. The idea that altering messaging is going to lead to a TEN POINT swing is stupidity. I mean can anyone point to some message shift credibly determined to have caused such a huge swing ever in the history of polling?

I disagree. I think altering message would help. But the Democrats are incapable of it. I keep saying I genuinely believe Democrats believe in the good government stuff they preach. Republicans just care about winning. I don't see them doing the propaganda thing Republicans are good at. Look at what happened this week with Hilary and Durham. Senators who know better wrote letters and went on the Senate floor to propagate the lie that Clinton spied on Trump. That kind of stuff takes a certain level of depravity.

 

[Moonbeam]

I know. You rescued a couple people from the horrors you support. This is an indictment of you, not a support.

I did not mention that here. I see your blindness to people’s desire to be able to continue to live where they were able to buy long ago but never could again to be a natural human feeling without malice to anyone else. Those people didn’t ask for the fact that hoards would want to follow after them wishing to push them out. I wasn’t Zuckerberg trying to buy Hawaii. Maybe you can solve homelessness by taxing the air we breathe.

How about all property and habitats government owned and where you live assigned by lottery. No right to move, no trades allowed. Fixed sq. footage for all.

 

[fskimospy]

I did not mention that here. I see your blindness to people’s desire to be able to continue to live where they were able to buy long ago but never could again to be a natural human feeling without malice to anyone else. Those people didn’t ask for the fact that hoards would want to follow after them wishing to push them out. I wasn’t Zuckerberg trying to buy Hawaii. Maybe you can solve homelessness by taxing the air we breathe.

How about all property and habitats government owned and where you live assigned by lottery. No right to move, no trades allowed. Fixed sq. footage for all.

Look, you are obviously okay with inflicting massive suffering. Just accept it, don’t ask me to sign on to your monstrous ideas.

 

[Moonbeam]

I disagree. I think altering message would help. But the Democrats are incapable of it. I keep saying I genuinely believe Democrats believe in the good government stuff they preach. Republicans just care about winning. I don't see them doing the propaganda thing Republicans are good at. Look at what happened this week with Hilary and Durham. Senators who know better wrote letters and went on the Senate floor to propagate the lie that Clinton spied on Trump. That kind of stuff takes a certain level of depravity.

The counter-messaging, in my opinion should focus right in on exactly that depravity. Conservatives demonize others because they pay no price for it. They should face a barrage of vicious moral outrage like their own so they are also forced to live with what they deal out.

 

[emperus]

The counter-messaging, in my opinion should focus right in on exactly that depravity. Conservatives demonize others because they pay no price for it. They should face a barrage of vicious moral outrage like their own so they are also forced to live with what they deal out.

Democrats don't have the same propaganda streams/network that Republicans do. I did a cross country drive during the 2016 election and decided to listen to talk radio. I was shocked at the amount of vile that I listened to. I almost hated Hilary at the end of it. It was almost like indoctrination. Channel after Channel, repeated and constant. Look at the Durham filing. How fast and wide it has metastasized, even though the majority of it is a lie.

I agree with you... just don't know if Democrats are capable of it.

 

[hal2kilo]

Democrats don't have the same propaganda streams/network that Republicans do. I did a cross country drive during the 2016 election and decided to listen to talk radio. I was shocked at the amount of vile that I listened to. I almost hated Hilary at the end of it. It was almost like indoctrination. Repeated and constant. Look at the Durham filing. How fast and wide it has metastasized, even though the majority of it is a lie.

I agree with you... just don't know if Democrats are capable of it.

I saw a video of Obama yesterday. He said If I watched Fox, I wouldn't vote for me either.

 

[Lezunto]

The counter-messaging, in my opinion should focus right in on exactly that depravity. Conservatives demonize others because they pay no price for it. They should face a barrage of vicious moral outrage like their own so they are also forced to live with what they deal out.

I do not believe this would do much to get us more votes. (Even if all of us could actually and legally vote). Those on the Right would immediately punch back by highlighting the mistakes and immorality of folks on the Left we admire.

The bottom line is that we are basically battling evil and conscience-less people. And we need to remember that many of them want to hurt those they can't stand.

I'm an old fart, And to me, it is a sad and scary situation

 

[Moonbeam]

I saw a video of Obama yesterday. He said If I watched Fox, I wouldn't vote for me either.

What a vicious rebuke. I bet those conservatives listening fell dead in their seats.

Every Democrat interviewed on the air should be pointing to Fox News as a seditious enterprise bent on the overthrow of our Democratic institutions. Fox news should be the focus of national attention. All efforts should be directed to its destruction and the rest of those psychopath capitalists who thrive by bringing misery and destruction by selling fear. Liberals are stupid cowards. The news I read is about how Biden wants to keep around him as advisers those he has had for years and years, liberals with mush for brains.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Democrats don't have the same propaganda streams/network that Republicans do. I did a cross country drive during the 2016 election and decided to listen to talk radio. I was shocked at the amount of vile that I listened to. I almost hated Hilary at the end of it. It was almost like indoctrination. Channel after Channel, repeated and constant. Look at the Durham filing. How fast and wide it has metastasized, even though the majority of it is a lie.

I agree with you... just don't know if Democrats are capable of it.

- And I think we've come full circle back to the initial arguments made in this thread. Good points, frankly. Democrats = Liberals = Mainstream news/media outlets. Problem is the tail ends up wagging the dog, where some anchor on news outlet goes all in on some ultra-PC/leftist/whatever talking point and it back feeds into how people perceive the "mainstream" party.

Dems get confused and disorganized about what people really think and care about because they're trying to listen to those 15K dumbass influencers on twitter and news anchors and the limosine liberals in the circles they run in.

Republicans control their messaging better because they've essentially built a "walled garden" from scratch through conservative media outlets being an extension of the Republican party instead of the other way around. Conservative media through Republicans are all on message because they're all in cahoots.

Unlike Dems, who are trying to listen and incorporate a lot of dissonant talking points from "the wild", Republicans are not listening but telling people what to say. They've completely inverted the hierarchy in their favor.

Instead of governing as the people want they're telling people how they want to be governed.

 

[emperus]

I like what Hilary did today. She put Fox on notice. Said they were getting close to actual malice. But she still pulled her punch. Should have called their recent reporting actual malice.

 

[hal2kilo]

That sounds like something the leftist main stream media would say.

Seems to be on topic.

Democrats aren't toxic — the media is just downplaying Republicans' rot | Salon.com

 

[cytg111]

With the success of AOC and squad, why is more progressives like em not running? The US needs more AOCs

 

[ivwshane]

With the success of AOC and squad, why is more progressives like em not running? The US needs more AOCs

Because they, like a lot of Americans, have bought into Republican propaganda that those who want to help Americans and America are extremists.

 

[HomerJS]

Message to Democrats:

Start a mass messaging campaign labeling Republicans pro Putin. There are enough prominent Republicans who have openly admired Putin. These happened in the last week.

Trump called him a genius
Former GOP head of CIA and Sec of State said of Putin "I have enormous respect for him"

Put history of compliments into a montage and run the commercial.

There are more prominent Republicans who embraced Putin then Democrats who advocated to "defund the police"

Start the messaging campaign. Make the carnage of war stick to Republicans.

 

[dank69]

Message to Democrats:

Start a mass messaging campaign labeling Republicans pro Putin. There are enough prominent Republicans who have openly admired Putin. These happened in the last week.

Trump called him a genius
Former GOP head of CIA and Sec of State said of Putin "I have enormous respect for him"

Put history of compliments into a montage and run the commercial.

There are more prominent Republicans who embraced Putin then Democrats who advocated to "defund the police"

Start the messaging campaign. Make the carnage of war stick to Republicans.

But where? Where should this messaging campaign run? This is the problem. The problem isn't the messaging, it's how to legally get it out to everyone.

 

[hal2kilo]

Message to Democrats:

Start a mass messaging campaign labeling Republicans pro Putin. There are enough prominent Republicans who have openly admired Putin. These happened in the last week.

Trump called him a genius
Former GOP head of CIA and Sec of State said of Putin "I have enormous respect for him"

Put history of compliments into a montage and run the commercial.

There are more prominent Republicans who embraced Putin then Democrats who advocated to "defund the police"

Start the messaging campaign. Make the carnage of war stick to Republicans.

Those comments from Pompeo border on treason. Especially for a secretary of state who should well understand the power of propaganda.

 

[HomerJS]

But where? Where should this messaging campaign run? This is the problem. The problem isn't the messaging, it's how to legally get it out to everyone.

EVERYWHERE. CNN and MSNBC host should start referring to Republicans as the pro Putin party. Start the commercials and run everywhere they can. Blanket Fox News and all the local conservative TV stations.

EVERYWHERE

 

[dank69]

EVERYWHERE. CNN and MSNBC host should start referring to Republicans as the pro Putin party. Start the commercials and run everywhere they can. Blanket Fox News and all the local conservative TV stations.

EVERYWHERE

Democrats don't control CNN or MSNBC. What are the laws regarding political advertising?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Democrats don't control CNN or MSNBC. What are the laws regarding political advertising?

Republicans don't control Fox news, and yet they manage to spout Republican talking points all the time