Gore,s speech

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Harvey
If Gore had been that forceful and direct when he ran, he may have been elected, and we'd never have been so poorly and illegally mislead by the Bushwhackos.

First we would have had to hurdle the inanimate object that is Gore, then we would have had to hurdle another inanimate object.

Diebold voting machines.

The odds were stacked against the american people.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: Harvey
If Gore had been that forceful and direct when he ran, he may have been elected, and we'd never have been so poorly and illegally mislead by the Bushwhackos. [/

He seemed to always have a problem under Clintons shadow. I believe that if he had been more forceful and direct he would have got the extra votes in FL or another state that went to Bush. After all he won the popular vote by 500,000, and in the end only lost because of Florida.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Here is an article which demonstrates how the 'Conservative Right' operates.
It applies here to what you will hear about Gore's speech, as well as how the have attacked
everyone who didn't fold into thier mold of 'Team Player'.
It was used against Murtha, Kerry, and anyone who dfared have an honest opinion -
Screw the facts,
attack their character and lie about it.
Sea-Poop is doing it right here in his reference to Gore's comments.

E.J Dionne / WashPost

<Excerpt>
What's maddening here is the unblushing hypocrisy of the right wing and the way it circulates -- usually through Web sites or talk radio -- personal vilification to abort honest political debate. Murtha's views on withdrawing troops from Iraq are certainly the object of legitimate contention. Many in Murtha's party disagree with him. But Murtha's right-wing critics can't content themselves with going after his ideas. They have to try to discredit his service.

Moreover, the right has demonstrated that its attitude toward military service is entirely opportunistic. In the 1992 presidential campaign, when the first President Bush confronted Bill Clinton -- who, like Cheney, avoided military service entirely -- conservatives could hardly speak or write a paragraph about Clinton that didn't accuse him of being a draft dodger. In October 1992, Bush himself assailed Clinton. "A lot of being president is about respect for that office and about telling the truth and serving your country," Bush told a crowd in New Jersey. "And you are all familiar with Governor Clinton's various stories on what he did to evade the draft."

But from 2000 forward, the Republicans had a problem: They confronted Democrats, first Al Gore and then John Kerry, who actually did go to Vietnam, while it was their own standard-bearers who had skipped the war. Suddenly, service in Vietnam wasn't the thing at all. When a Democrat went to war, there must have been something wrong with the way he did it. Gore's service was dismissed because he worked "only" as a military journalist. You can even find Bush's defenders back in 2000 daring to argue that flying planes over Texas was actually more dangerous than joining the Army and serving in Vietnam the way Gore did.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
He seemed to always have a problem under Clintons shadow. I believe that if he had been more forceful and direct he would have got the extra votes in FL or another state that went to Bush. After all he won the popular vote by 500,000, and in the end only lost because of Florida.

With a little help from Bush's friends on the Supreme Court.

 

[Corbett]

Ohh look, its the liberals taking another step towards trying to get Bush out of office because they HATE him. They will use anyone and everyone they can because they absolutely HATE bush. Thus the reason this washed up sore loser Gore gave another speech about how Bush is a liar and a cheater and should be impeached.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
He seemed to always have a problem under Clintons shadow. I believe that if he had been more forceful and direct he would have got the extra votes in FL or another state that went to Bush. After all he won the popular vote by 500,000, and in the end only lost because of Florida.

With a little help from Bush's friends on the Supreme Court.

I was trying to avoid that, and take a clean approach that was politically neutral.

 

[zendari]

Gore is still bitter he couldnt steal the 00 election. He can go back to his bridge now.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Corbett
Ohh look, its the liberals taking another step towards trying to get Bush out of office because they HATE him. They will use anyone and everyone they can because they absolutely HATE bush. Thus the reason this washed up sore loser Gore gave another speech about how Bush is a liar and a cheater and should be impeached.

It's too bad he couldn't get his Senate buddies to convict Clinton. He might have become President! :laugh:

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: Corbett
Ohh look, its the liberals taking another step towards trying to get Bush out of office because they HATE him. They will use anyone and everyone they can because they absolutely HATE bush. Thus the reason this washed up sore loser Gore gave another speech about how Bush is a liar and a cheater and should be impeached.

There is a huge difference between hating someone and wanting them gone, and seeing their mistakes and judging them on that. Learn to judge someone on their actions instead of resorting to namecalling like you're in the 4th grade.

I will admit I don't like Bush, but it is based on what he has / hasn't done since in office. But I have yet to call him stupid, or a loser and leave it at that. In fact I have called Gore dry and boring, based on his public speaking style, but consider him far from a loser or stupid.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Corbett
Ohh look, its the liberals taking another step towards trying to get Bush out of office because they HATE him. They will use anyone and everyone they can because they absolutely HATE bush. Thus the reason this washed up sore loser Gore gave another speech about how Bush is a liar and a cheater and should be impeached.

It's too bad he couldn't get his Senate buddies to convict Clinton. He might have become President! :laugh:

Tin foil hat time? Links?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: zendari
Gore is still bitter he couldnt steal the 00 election. He can go back to his bridge now.

The actual theft was by the Supreme Court.

It's too bad he couldn't get his Senate buddies to convict Clinton. He might have become President!

You're still pissing and moaning about Clinton in the face of Bush's felonies?

Clinton's offense was lying under oath. It was wrong, and he was called to account for it. Whether you think he was adequately punished is rather small crap when all the Bushwhackos have done is take the country into a war based on lies that has cost thousands of American lives, at least tens of thousands of other lives, including thousands of innocent civilians, out a covert CIA agent and lie about doing so and shred the Constitution by spying on Amercian citizens without any warrant or other whisp of legal authority to do so. :|

zendari -- Been sippin' on that left over Soviet moonshine vodka, again? :roll:

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: screech

Here we go again......

Oh I havent even gotten started on this load of crap Gore spewed out of his piehole.

Enlighten us please.

You seem to have made up you mind, please share in detail why you think so, I myself am happy to see what the courts decide (since I'm not a lawyer).

It has nothing to do with "enlightening" you, it just has to do with political positioning, just like it always is.

This tapping stuff has been going on in one form or another for decades. There was a program in the 60's, which evolved again in the 70's Cant remember the names of them right off though.
The latest incarnation of these wiretaps was Carnivore. Remember that? Where was the political outcry in the 60's? How about the 70's? 80's? 90's? What about the stuff under Clinton? Didnt see much hussle and bussle about Carivore.

But NOW people care. That really pisses me off. The politicans dont care until they can use it as a political weapon. But if its not in their best interest to bring it up....mums the word.

That PISSES me off, badly. They should have cracked down on this decades ago.

And further more, Gore is a lying son of a bitch to even bring up any Constitutional infrignements. Piss off with that crap. Why dont the Dem;s give a damn about the 2nd? Oh no, cant have guns, gotta take those off the streets. Doing that isnt a Constitutional infringement, nope not at all. So what we have is politicians screaming "Constitutional Infringement!" only when it can benefit their agenda. Ok, so we now pick and choose which Rights the people are allowed to have? Last time I checked, the our founding documents laid our our rights, ALL of our rights, and were not set up so we can pick and choose which ones the politicians think we need.

Which brings me back to my point.

Goddamn hypocritical politicians. :|

10/10 :thumbsup:

 

[OutHouse]

who exactly did Bush illegally spy on? anybody got any names?

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Citrix
who exactly did Bush illegally spy on? anybody got any names?

you won't win any arguement spewing out dumb questions like that. But just for giggles here is my answer for you:

American citizens.

Now, does it really matter exactly who?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Citrix
who exactly did Bush illegally spy on? anybody got any names?

you won't win any arguement spewing out dumb questions like that. But just for giggles here is my answer for you:

American citizens.

Now, does it really matter exactly who?

Added information:

Just about everyone - at random, willy nilly

<NewYorkTimes>

In the anxious months after the Sept. 11 attacks, the National Security Agency began sending a steady stream of telephone numbers, e-mail addresses and names to the F.B.I. in search of terrorists. The stream soon became a flood, requiring hundreds of agents to check out thousands of tips a month.

But virtually all of them, current and former officials say, led to dead ends or innocent Americans.

F.B.I. officials repeatedly complained to the spy agency that the unfiltered information was swamping investigators. The spy agency was collecting much of the data by eavesdropping on some Americans' international communications and conducting computer searches of phone and Internet traffic. Some F.B.I. officials and prosecutors also thought the checks, which sometimes involved interviews by agents, were pointless intrusions on Americans' privacy.

As the bureau was running down those leads, its director, Robert S. Mueller III, raised concerns about the legal rationale for a program of eavesdropping without warrants, one government official said. Mr. Mueller asked senior administration officials about "whether the program had a proper legal foundation," but deferred to Justice Department legal opinions, the official said.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Citrix
who exactly did Bush illegally spy on? anybody got any names?

You're kidding, or you're as reading challenged as Bushwhacko, himself. Hd admitted he ordered the spying. Even worse, he claims it's legal.

Praise the lord, and shread the Constitution. :|

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: Corbett
Ohh look, its the liberals taking another step towards trying to get Bush out of office because they HATE him. They will use anyone and everyone they can because they absolutely HATE bush. Thus the reason this washed up sore loser Gore gave another speech about how Bush is a liar and a cheater and should be impeached.

There is a huge difference between hating someone and wanting them gone, and seeing their mistakes and judging them on that. Learn to judge someone on their actions instead of resorting to namecalling like you're in the 4th grade.

I will admit I don't like Bush, but it is based on what he has / hasn't done since in office. But I have yet to call him stupid, or a loser and leave it at that. In fact I have called Gore dry and boring, based on his public speaking style, but consider him far from a loser or stupid.

Perhaps you should look up who lost the 200 election. Therefore, Gore is a loser!

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Citrix
who exactly did Bush illegally spy on? anybody got any names?

you won't win any arguement spewing out dumb questions like that. But just for giggles here is my answer for you:

American citizens.

Now, does it really matter exactly who?

Since there were no warrants we have no way of knowing. That's the problem, no checks and balances.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: azazyel

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Citrix
who exactly did Bush illegally spy on? anybody got any names?

you won't win any arguement spewing out dumb questions like that. But just for giggles here is my answer for you:

American citizens.

Now, does it really matter exactly who?

Since there were no warrants we have no way of knowing. That's the problem, no checks and balances.

b-i-n-g-o

yet some people are OK with that...sheesh.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: Corbett
Ohh look, its the liberals taking another step towards trying to get Bush out of office because they HATE him. They will use anyone and everyone they can because they absolutely HATE bush. Thus the reason this washed up sore loser Gore gave another speech about how Bush is a liar and a cheater and should be impeached.

There is a huge difference between hating someone and wanting them gone, and seeing their mistakes and judging them on that. Learn to judge someone on their actions instead of resorting to namecalling like you're in the 4th grade.

I will admit I don't like Bush, but it is based on what he has / hasn't done since in office. But I have yet to call him stupid, or a loser and leave it at that. In fact I have called Gore dry and boring, based on his public speaking style, but consider him far from a loser or stupid.

Perhaps you should look up who lost the 200 election. Therefore, Gore is a loser!

Now that's the kind of reasoning I expect from the short bus side of politics. "Gore lost the 2000 election, in the sense that he won the popular vote and barely lost the electoral votes of Florida, therefore everything he ever says for all time is stupid."

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: azazyel

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Citrix
who exactly did Bush illegally spy on? anybody got any names?

you won't win any arguement spewing out dumb questions like that. But just for giggles here is my answer for you:

American citizens.

Now, does it really matter exactly who?

Since there were no warrants we have no way of knowing. That's the problem, no checks and balances.

b-i-n-g-o

yet some people are OK with that...sheesh.

I think they should have just got the warrants and follow Gore's SNL plan, "The Lock Box".

 

[gclg2000]

i'm more/less a nuetral political person..both parties are politicians that drive legislation based upon donations...

But the democrats are quote "invested" that we lose in Iraq...and here's yet another rip on our President...just like there always has been since he took office, and will continue...why are Librals like this?? I've yet to really hear any big shots in Democratic party actually say something worthwhile and helpful to our country.

I wish one of the parties would drop their sack and really do something worthwhile.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: Corbett
Ohh look, its the liberals taking another step towards trying to get Bush out of office because they HATE him. They will use anyone and everyone they can because they absolutely HATE bush. Thus the reason this washed up sore loser Gore gave another speech about how Bush is a liar and a cheater and should be impeached.

There is a huge difference between hating someone and wanting them gone, and seeing their mistakes and judging them on that. Learn to judge someone on their actions instead of resorting to namecalling like you're in the 4th grade.

I will admit I don't like Bush, but it is based on what he has / hasn't done since in office. But I have yet to call him stupid, or a loser and leave it at that. In fact I have called Gore dry and boring, based on his public speaking style, but consider him far from a loser or stupid.

Perhaps you should look up who lost the 200 election. Therefore, Gore is a loser!

Now that's the kind of reasoning I expect from the short bus side of politics. "Gore lost the 2000 election, in the sense that he won the popular vote and barely lost the electoral votes of Florida, therefore everything he ever says for all time is stupid."

I don't think people refer to the Philadelphia Eagles as anything other than the loser of the last Super Bowl.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Corbett
Ohh look, its the liberals taking another step towards trying to get Bush out of office because they HATE him. They will use anyone and everyone they can because they absolutely HATE bush. Thus the reason this washed up sore loser Gore gave another speech about how Bush is a liar and a cheater and should be impeached.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Too little too late Mr. Gore...perhaps if you had something to say in 2000, people would have taken notice.