Gore,s speech

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: oldman420
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2006/01/gore_president_.html

He hits it right on the head IMO

:thumbsup: even for a Gore speech. Yep, he lost in 2000 so let's just do our best to discredit his speech based on that. :roll:

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Too little too late Mr. Gore...perhaps if you had something to say in 2000, people would have taken notice.

They did, and more of them voted for Gore than for Bush. Unfortunately, the only vote that counted was in the Supreme Court.

Now, we're stuck with the Criminal Asshole in Chief. :|

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Too little too late Mr. Gore...perhaps if you had something to say in 2000, people would have taken notice.

He did, too bad not enough people were listening. Now it's time to hold Bush & Co.'s feet to the fire for their arrogance.

 

[oldman420]

Originally posted by: Pabster
I've got an idea for Al ... in between screeching 'Bush Police State' how about he make a visit to China and examine a REAL police state.

Maybe he can stay there while he's at it.

The only thing we all have to be thankful for is that this traitor never became President.

what?! wow is all I can say to that,can you try to narrow that down just a little more to the right pal?

we are not china and have a totaly different system of govt, apples and oranges there
and please fill us all in on the traitor part as well.

must go wash up now feel dirty

 

[oldman420]

Originally posted by: Corbett
Ohh look, its the liberals taking another step towards trying to get Bush out of office because they HATE him. They will use anyone and everyone they can because they absolutely HATE bush. Thus the reason this washed up sore loser Gore gave another speech about how Bush is a liar and a cheater and should be impeached.

I don't Hate Bush I hate the lying and attempted hijacking of the constitution.
true conservative values should encompass this also.
we are trying in an open minded way to conserve the rule of law and our system of government from a radical idealist.

I am sure I could sit down and have a beer with GB and not hate the man,,,,

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pabster
I've got an idea for Al ... in between screeching 'Bush Police State' how about he make a visit to China and examine a REAL police state.

Why bother? Bush is already using an older example and implementing most of what Hitler did before WW II.

The only thing we all have to be thankful for is that this traitor never became President.

The way Bush is shredding the Constitution, we know who the real traitor is. His address is 1600 Pennsylvania Av.

 

[Jhhnn]

Gotta love it, the usual wingnut responses of attacking the source, rather than the argument...

And when that's revealed for what it is, they just scream "Loser!" at the top of their lungs...

It was a terrific speech, unfortunately, it won't faze the faithful in the slightest- he didn't say "terrar!" enough times, and I think he mispronounced "nucular", too, not to mention that it makes their heads hurt when they try to comprehend an argument more complex than simple fearmongering or greed... Dubya cuts through all of that, appeals to the dominant reptilian part of their brains...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity

Originally posted by: Corbett
Ohh look, its the liberals taking another step towards trying to get Bush out of office because they HATE him. They will use anyone and everyone they can because they absolutely HATE bush. Thus the reason this washed up sore loser Gore gave another speech about how Bush is a liar and a cheater and should be impeached.

There is a huge difference between hating someone and wanting them gone, and seeing their mistakes and judging them on that. Learn to judge someone on their actions instead of resorting to namecalling like you're in the 4th grade.

I will admit I don't like Bush, but it is based on what he has / hasn't done since in office. But I have yet to call him stupid, or a loser and leave it at that. In fact I have called Gore dry and boring, based on his public speaking style, but consider him far from a loser or stupid.

Perhaps you should look up who lost the 200 election. Therefore, Gore is a loser!

Now that's the kind of reasoning I expect from the short bus side of politics. "Gore lost the 2000 election, in the sense that he won the popular vote and barely lost the electoral votes of Florida, therefore everything he ever says for all time is stupid."

I don't think people refer to the Philadelphia Eagles as anything other than the loser of the last Super Bowl.

Irrelevant, the poster I quoted refered to Gore as a "loser". He did indeed lose the 2000 election, but he also came much closer to the job than the vast majority of Americans, even those involved in politics, ever will. He may have been the loser of the 2000 election, but that hardly qualifies him as a "loser"...any more than the Eagles are losers for not winning the last Super Bowl. Sure, they lost the game, but they did a hell of a lot better than every other team in the NFL save one. That seems pretty good to me.

 

[Starbuck1975]

He did, too bad not enough people were listening. Now it's time to hold Bush & Co.'s feet to the fire for their arrogance.

Or perhaps it didnt resonate...if that were the case, the election would not have been so close or so hotly contested.

They did, and more of them voted for Gore than for Bush. Unfortunately, the only vote that counted was in the Supreme Court.

Would you feel the same had the Supreme Court ruled in Gore's favor?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

For those who voted for George Bush, do you honestly feel that he has been an effective leader? Do you feel as if America is heading in the right direction?

All partisan issues aside, I'm willing to bet a large majority of you don't believe Bush has done a great job. It's funny to see NOBODY on the right even bother to attack what Gore has actually said. Instead they simply attack Gore, typical right-wing strategy. If Gore is really a moron as you all seem to claim, please enlighten us all of the inaccuracies and falsehoods in his speech. I'm willing to be not ONE right-winger will have any reasonable rebuttle against anything Gore has said in this speech.

 

[Zebo]

Where was Gore in 1999 defending the constitution when Clinton Illegally attacked Yukoslavia? In fact when taken to a vote as the consitution requires - senate and house both voted against it and Clinton attacked anyway, totally illegal. Now I'm not saying Bush is at all justified, I read the transcript and Gore is right - but the hypocracy as noted by 007 needs illustration..

 

[AragornTK]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Pabster
I've got an idea for Al ... in between screeching 'Bush Police State' how about he make a visit to China and examine a REAL police state.

Why bother? Bush is already using an older example and implementing most of what Hitler did before WW II.

The only thing we all have to be thankful for is that this traitor never became President.

The way Bush is shredding the Constitution, we know who the real traitor is. His address is 1700 Pennsylvania Av.

isn't the address 1600?


" The President and I agree on one thing. The threat from terrorism is all too real. There is simply no question that we continue to face new challenges in the wake of the attack on September 11th and that we must be ever-vigilant in protecting our citizens from harm."

I'll be sure to quote all you moon bats hero next time you say there's no terrorist threat

"Once violated, the rule of law is in danger. Unless stopped, lawlessness grows. The greater the power of the executive grows, the more difficult it becomes for the other branches to perform their constitutional roles. As the executive acts outside its constitutionally prescribed role and is able to control access to information that would expose its actions, it becomes increasingly difficult for the other branches to police it. Once that ability is lost, democracy itself is threatened and we become a government of men and not laws."

*cough* CLINTON *cough*

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Where was Gore in 1999 defending the constitution when Clinton Illegally attacked Yukoslavia? In fact when taken to a vote as the consitution requires - senate and house both voted against it and Clinton attacked anyway, totally illegal. Now I'm not saying Bush is at all justified, I read the transcript and Gore is right - but the hypocracy as noted by 007 needs illustration..

Ok then, but let's also examine why Clinton had a special investigator on his ass his whole presidnecy, but Bush can lie and break whatever laws he wants and no one wants an investigation?

 

[Starbuck1975]

All partisan issues aside, I'm willing to bet a large majority of you don't believe Bush has done a great job. It's funny to see NOBODY on the right even bother to attack what Gore has actually said. Instead they simply attack Gore, typical right-wing strategy.

I don't believe Bush has done a good job...and I readily admit that I voted for him the first time around.

I stopped reading Gore's speech the moment it appealed to MLK day.

I fast forwarded to his five bulleted points that appeals to a bi-partisan system of checks and balances against the executive...I don't disagree with the relevance of these points...I question the timing of this speech, and Gore's political relevance...easy to kick the President while he was down...the Democrat leadership failed to demonstrate such courage when it mattered most.

The only thing more tragic then Bush's power grab was the Democrats inability to stop it...calling for accountability, checks and balances after the fact is political maneuvering...nothing more.

Ok then, but let's also examine why Clinton had a special investigator on his ass his whole presidnecy, but Bush can lie and break whatever laws he wants and no one wants an investigation?

Perhaps because the Republicans were organized and quite effective in pushing their call for accountability...Clinton had investigations up his ass because the Clintons had ties to several questionable acts of indiscretion...the Democrats have never managed to organize an effective and unified front against Bush.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

All partisan issues aside, I'm willing to bet a large majority of you don't believe Bush has done a great job. It's funny to see NOBODY on the right even bother to attack what Gore has actually said. Instead they simply attack Gore, typical right-wing strategy.

I don't believe Bush has done a good job...and I readily admit that I voted for him the first time around.

I stopped reading Gore's speech the moment it appealed to MLK day.

I fast forwarded to his five bulleted points that appeals to a bi-partisan system of checks and balances against the executive...I don't disagree with the relevance of these points...I question the timing of this speech, and Gore's political relevance...easy to kick the President while he was down...the Democrat leadership failed to demonstrate such courage when it mattered most.

The only thing more tragic then Bush's power grab was the Democrats inability to stop it...calling for accountability, checks and balances after the fact is political maneuvering...nothing more.

Ok then, but let's also examine why Clinton had a special investigator on his ass his whole presidnecy, but Bush can lie and break whatever laws he wants and no one wants an investigation?

Perhaps because the Republicans were organized and quite effective in pushing their call for accountability...Clinton had investigations up his ass because the Clintons had ties to several questionable acts of indiscretion...the Democrats have never managed to organize an effective and unified front against Bush.

Perhaps, but I think it's obvious hypocrisy by the GOP.

 

[BBond]

Gore's reaction to the Bush administratin's reaction to Gore's speech...

Statement by Former Vice President Al Gore

To: National Desk

Contact: Trevor Fitzgibbon, 212-584-5000 ext. 210; or Jessica Smith, 202-822-5200 ext. 234

WASHINGTON, Jan. 17 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Following is a statement by former Vice President Al Gore:

"The Administration's response to my speech illustrates perfectly the need for a special counsel to review the legality of the NSA wiretapping program. The Attorney General is making a political defense of the President without even addressing the substantive legal questions that have so troubled millions of Americans in both political parties.

"There are two problems with the Attorney General's effort to focus attention on the past instead of the present Administration's behavior. First, as others have thoroughly documented, his charges are factually wrong. Both before and after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act was amended in 1995, the Clinton/Gore Administration complied fully and completely with the terms of the law.

"Second, the Attorney General's attempt to cite a previous administration's activity as precedent for theirs -- even though factually wrong -- ironically demonstrates another reason why we must be so vigilant about their brazen disregard for the law. If unchecked, their behavior would serve as a precedent to encourage future presidents to claim these same powers, which many legal experts in both parties believe are clearly illegal.

"The issue, simply put, is that for more than four years, the executive branch has been wiretapping many thousands of American citizens without warrants in direct contradiction of American law. It is clearly wrong and disrespectful to the American people to allow a close political associate of the president to be in charge of reviewing serious charges against him.

"The country needs a full and independent investigation into the facts and legality of the present Administration's program."

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Corbett
Ohh look, its the liberals taking another step towards trying to get Bush out of office because they HATE him. They will use anyone and everyone they can because they absolutely HATE bush. Thus the reason this washed up sore loser Gore gave another speech about how Bush is a liar and a cheater and should be impeached.

And, not coincidentally, the mainstream media was right in the middle of it.

First, we have Clinton spouting off about the "spying" nonsense.

Then we have Gore Whore giving his "Bush Police State" speech to the MoveOn freaks.

And finally we have Hillary and her recent antics.

It's pathetic yet somewhat amusing how stupid they think people are.

 

[Jhhnn]

"It's pathetic yet somewhat amusing how stupid they think people are. "

True, but not in the way you believe...

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pabster
First, we have Clinton spouting off about the "spying" nonsense.

Then we have Gore Whore giving his "Bush Police State" speech to the MoveOn freaks.

Bushwhacko ignores the law requiring him to get a warrant from the FISA court, the last vestige of Constitutional protection, and orders spying on U.S. citizens on U.S. soil, and claims he has the right to do so, despite the strong majority of legal opinion to the contrary, and you consider it "nonsense?" Add to that his claim of a personal exemption to the LAW prohibiting toture, and you can't see the parallels between the actions of this administration and the POLICE STATE of pre-WW II Nazi Germany?

Sonny boy, you have some serious deficits in you perceptive abilities. :| I believe it was George Santayana who said, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." That's something you seriously need to learn.

And finally we have Hillary and her recent antics.

The best reply I can give you is to repost what I said in the thread about that, yesterday.

I see a lot of neocon morons getting bent about Clinton's remark, but I don't see any notable negative reactions from the black community. In fact, the event was sponsored by Al Sharpton, and his reaction was:

The senator's remarks echoed "what a lot of us have been saying a long time about the Bush administration," Sharpton said.

I don't like her, and I hope she's not the Democratic candidate in '08, but the fact is, the way some speech that is interpreted depends on how much acceptance the speaker has in the community that will either accept what is said or be offended. Hillary doesn't appear to have offended "the black community" as much as Republicans would like to hope she had.

As long as the Bushwhacko fanbois want to make a stink about her "plantation" comment, they may want to check out Newt Gingrich's words from 1994, as reported last night by Keith Olbermann

Speaker of the House Hastert said, ?I?ve never run a plantation before. I?m not even sure what kind of association she?s trying to make. If she?s trying to be racists, I think that?s unfortunate.?

But one of the speaker?s predecessors, Newt Gingrich, would presumably know exactly what kind of an association Senator Clinton was trying to make. He said almost?something almost identical to Dan Balz or the ?Washington Post? in 1994 about a Congress then run by democrats.

?I clearly fascinate them.I?m much more in tense, much more persistence, much more willing to take risks to get it done. Since they think it is their job to run the plantation, it shocks them that I?m actually willing to lead the slave rebellion.?

Pot, meet kettle. :laugh:

It's pathetic yet somewhat amusing how stupid they think people are.

You're not especially amusing. You're pathetic. :|

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Corbett
Ohh look, its the liberals taking another step towards trying to get Bush out of office because they HATE him. They will use anyone and everyone they can because they absolutely HATE bush. Thus the reason this washed up sore loser Gore gave another speech about how Bush is a liar and a cheater and should be impeached.

And, not coincidentally, the mainstream media was right in the middle of it.

First, we have Clinton spouting off about the "spying" nonsense.

Then we have Gore Whore giving his "Bush Police State" speech to the MoveOn freaks.

And finally we have Hillary and her recent antics.

It's pathetic yet somewhat amusing how stupid they think people are.

Umm, "syping" nonsense? Man, people in Germany said the EXACT SAME KINDS OF THINGS... they had to learn the hard way... Good thing we teach history in schools!

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Umm, "syping" nonsense? Man, people in Germany said the EXACT SAME KINDS OF THINGS... they had to learn the hard way... Good thing we teach history in schools!

Yeah, nonsense is exactly what it is. If you have a problem with the President protecting this country from terrorists, please state so and explain why.

As for your (pathetic) attempt to compare wiretapping terrorist transactions with crimes of the Third Reich, well, we'll just let that go on the basis of your ignorance.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Umm, "syping" nonsense? Man, people in Germany said the EXACT SAME KINDS OF THINGS... they had to learn the hard way... Good thing we teach history in schools!

Yeah, nonsense is exactly what it is. If you have a problem with the President protecting this country from terrorists, please state so and explain why.

As for your (pathetic) attempt to compare wiretapping terrorist transactions with crimes of the Third Reich, well, we'll just let that go on the basis of your ignorance.

You can't prove that they have only tapped terrorists. That is why people are arguing about this!!

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Umm, "syping" nonsense? Man, people in Germany said the EXACT SAME KINDS OF THINGS... they had to learn the hard way... Good thing we teach history in schools!

Yeah, nonsense is exactly what it is. If you have a problem with the President protecting this country from terrorists, please state so and explain why.

The problem isn't the President protecting the US of A it is the FACT that the President isn't doing anything but playing to the fools and the guillible and NOT protecting the US of A!!!

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Yeah, nonsense is exactly what it is. If you have a problem with the President protecting this country from terrorists, please state so and explain why.

How do you know that's what he's doing, or that it's ALL he's doing? Because he said so? :roll:

That's why the United States Constitution mandates a warrant, and the FISA court is the venue specified by law for this particular type of case. Hell! Under FISA, he could order the search and not report it to the court until 15 days later, and instead, he says he doesn't have to comply with the law, including the Constitution.

I think we should invoke another law and fry the Prick In Chief for TREASON! :|

As for your (pathetic) attempt to compare wiretapping terrorist transactions with crimes of the Third Reich, well, we'll just let that go on the basis of your ignorance.

How old are you? You obviously failed 20th century history, and YOU are the one who is ignorant... unless you're one of those participating in the Bushwhackos' wholesale shredding of the U.S. Constitution. If that's the case, you can join the rest of these criminals at their trials.

I repeat, you need to understand the meaning of Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. :| :| :|

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Corbett
Ohh look, its the liberals taking another step towards trying to get Bush out of office because they HATE him. They will use anyone and everyone they can because they absolutely HATE bush. Thus the reason this washed up sore loser Gore gave another speech about how Bush is a liar and a cheater and should be impeached.

And, not coincidentally, the mainstream media was right in the middle of it.

First, we have Clinton spouting off about the "spying" nonsense.

Then we have Gore Whore giving his "Bush Police State" speech to the MoveOn freaks.

And finally we have Hillary and her recent antics.

It's pathetic yet somewhat amusing how stupid they think people are.

It's too bad you have to attack the messenger, but cannot refute the message. Typical Pap from the master :laugh::laugh::laugh: