GOP's Attempt To Reach Out To Women.

[Newell Steamer]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/24/will-infantine-paycheck-fairness-bill_n_5206350.html

New Hampshire state Rep. Will Infantine (R) explained that the pay gap between men and women stems from the fact that men work harder, take riskier jobs and are “more motivated by money” during a House speech Wednesday against the state’s paycheck equity bill.

“Men by and large make more because of some of the things they do. Their jobs are, by and large, more riskier,” Infantine, a former chairman of the Manchester Republican Committee, said on Wednesday, as captured by progressive advocacy group Granite State Progress. “They don’t mind working nights and weekends. They don’t mind working overtime, or outdoors in the elements.”

In response to an outburst from colleagues objecting to the Hillsborough Republican’s remarks, Infantine responded, “It’s not me!”

“Men work five or six hours longer a week than women do. When it comes to women and men who own businesses … women make half of what men do because of flexibility of work, men are more motivated by money than women are,” Infantine said, noting that facts from the Bureau of Labor Statistics validate his claims. “Guys! I’m not making this stuff up!”

There you go,.. even with cold hard facts,.. the GOP is being vilified,...

UnFREAKINGbelievable!!

 

[nehalem256]

Stating facts is hating women.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I really wonder how many women will take the time to read this thread or HuffPost article.

 

[Meghan54]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/24/will-infantine-paycheck-fairness-bill_n_5206350.html



There you go,.. even with cold hard facts,.. the GOP is being vilified,...

UnFREAKINGbelievable!!

And what facts are those?

 

[Anarchist420]

women actually make more than men per hour they work. men make more in the public sector and that is why the numbers are the way they are. take away the public sector, and women will make 2x what men make.

 

[nehalem256]

I really wonder how many women will take the time to read this thread or HuffPost article.

Why read the whole article when you can just read the headline and rage?:

GOP Lawmaker Says Women Don't Deserve Equal Pay Because They're Lazier

Of course what he is actually saying is women make less money because they tend to on average make different choice than men

But can't let a little thing like facts get in the way of liberal rage.

 

[glenn1]

New Hampshire passes law mandating "equal pay for equal work." Employers immediately slash men's salaries to comply. Big win for women, yay.

 

[nehalem256]

And what facts are those?

The most basic way to look at differences in pay between the genders is to look at the median wages of men and women. However, this comparison is of limited usefulness because men and women exhibit very different characteristics for many of the factors that affect pay. For example, men tend to choose fields with higher average pay, and tend to work more hours per week. Because of these differences in order to determine what effect discrimination has upon the wages of men and women in the workplace the differences in career choices must be accounted for. The raw median wages of men and women are often used in misleading ways to inform public policy, without explaining the reasons behind the gap.[4]

A study commissioned by the United States Department of Labor, concluded that "There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent."[4] The study also concluded that while in principle more of the wage gap could be explained by differences between the groups, the data that would be needed to account for additional factors were not available.

While the conclusions of the study commissioned by the United States Department of Labor regarding the adjusted wage gap are generally in agreement with other research,[8] there is disagreement on what factors explain the remaining 5–7%. Some studies assert that the remaining gap is due to discrimination,[8][9] while some others, such as the Department of Labor study above conclude otherwise. Many researchers[8][9] also believe that the differences between the choices men and women make are actually a result of discrimination or social pressures, with women being discouraged from high paying fields, and men being discouraged from making choices such as prioritizing job satisfaction over pay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap

Of course saying that women make 95 cents on the dollar is a lot less rage inducing than saying they make 77 cents on the dollar. Especially if the organizations such as the Department of Labor conclude even the 5 cent difference is not due to discrimination

 

[Jaskalas]

At Colleges, Women Are Leaving Men in the Dust

Clearly they should be making more than men.

 

[Greenman]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/24/will-infantine-paycheck-fairness-bill_n_5206350.html



There you go,.. even with cold hard facts,.. the GOP is being vilified,...

UnFREAKINGbelievable!!

It's actually completely believable, and not the least bit surprising. I don't know if it's true, but the presented logic isn't fundamentally flawed.

 

[nehalem256]

At Colleges, Women Are Leaving Men in the Dust

Clearly they should be making more than men.

Women are ahead of men in education (last year, 55 percent of U.S. college graduates were female). And a study shows that in most U.S. cities, single, childless women under 30 are making an average of 8 percent more money than their male counterparts, with Atlanta and Miami in the lead at 20 percent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/us/14iht-letter14.html?_r=0

When can we expect Democrats to update their talking points based on this new information?

 

[Texashiker]

There you go,.. even with cold hard facts,.. the GOP is being vilified,...

UnFREAKINGbelievable!!

Not sure what your point is, but that is one heck of a troll article you linked to.

It is not that women are lazy, they just are not willing to do the dirty work like what men are. This is by design. Men and women think and work differently.

Women do not do well working by themselves and I mean by themselves with nobody in sight, working nightshifts, doing dangerous jobs,,,,. Mining and construction are dominated by men, and this is a time when employers can almost begging for people.

How many women are willing to work a nightshift and not see their kids for a month at a time? Men do it by the tens of thousands.

While more women are going to college than men, someone still has to drive the trucks, mount the tires, change the oil, drill for oil, refine the oil, build the pipelines, build homes,,, everything that allows our society to work.

 

[Orignal Earl]

While more women are going to college than men, someone still has to drive the trucks, mount the tires, change the oil, drill for oil, refine the oil, build the pipelines, build homes,,, everything that allows our society to work.

Lot's of women around here doing all those things.
It's always weird to see so many men who type for a living giving women grief about what they do for a living

 

[Texashiker]

It's always weird to see so many men who type for a living giving women grief about what they do for a living

Type of a living?

Lol, I spent 15 years in various welding shops doing dirty and dangerous work. In those 15 years I saw two men killed and numerous others rushed to the emergency room with injuries. How many women killed? None. How many women rushed to the ER? None.

Would you like to know how many women I saw in those 15 years? Two, maybe at the most three. There was one female welder I remember and a female tool room worker.

Yes, there are women who work nightshifts, work construction, work on drilling rigs, do other dangerous jobs. For the most part the vast majority of those jobs are done by men.

I have been driving since around 1984. In the past 30 years I have never seen a woman changing oil or mounting tires. When I have new tires mounted or old tires rotated and balanced, it is men doing that kind of work.

 

[nehalem256]

Lot's of women around here doing all those things.
It's always weird to see so many men who type for a living giving women grief about what they do for a living

Bullshit:

Across I-4 at Fields BMW, all 27 mechanics are men. "I haven't had any female applicants that I can remember," said service director Joe Allegra, who's been at the dealership seven years.

"Currently we do not have any female technicians," said Robert Scheiner, operations director for Orlando Infiniti and three other foreign-car franchises. "In 15 years, I've had two."

Like Orlando MINI, Tropical Ford in south Orlando has one female mechanic on a team of 16 – a number consistent with national trends. According to the latest data (2010) from the U.S. Department of Labor, 2 percent of small-engine mechanics were women. Less than 1 percent of bus and truck mechanics and diesel engine specialists were women.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...-0917-20120917_1_auto-mechanics-grease-monkey

 

[Orignal Earl]

Type of a living?

Lol, I spent 15 years in various welding shops doing dirty and dangerous work. In those 15 years I saw two men killed and numerous others rushed to the emergency room with injuries. How many women killed? None. How many women rushed to the ER? None.

Would you like to know how many women I saw in those 15 years? Two, maybe at the most three. There was one female welder I remember and a female tool room worker.

Yes, there are women who work nightshifts, work construction, work on drilling rigs, do other dangerous jobs. For the most part the vast majority of those jobs are done by men.

I have been driving since around 1984. In the past 30 years I have never seen a woman changing oil or mounting tires. When I have new tires mounted or old tires rotated and balanced, it is men doing that kind of work.

I wasn't talking about you, I know you don't type for a living

 

[Orignal Earl]

Bullshit:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...-0917-20120917_1_auto-mechanics-grease-monkey

Did I say there's more women then men doing it?
One day some women is going to kick your ass

edit- Actually that's probably already happened lol

 

[Texashiker]

I wasn't talking about you, I know you don't type for a living

You said that when you quoted my post. So what am I supposed to think?

 

[Orignal Earl]

You said that when you quoted my post. So what am I supposed to think?

Sorry about that.
In your case I would guess it's just that you never got to know a lot of women

 

[WHAMPOM]

Type of a living?

Lol, I spent 15 years in various welding shops doing dirty and dangerous work. In those 15 years I saw two men killed and numerous others rushed to the emergency room with injuries. How many women killed? None. How many women rushed to the ER? None.

Would you like to know how many women I saw in those 15 years? Two, maybe at the most three. There was one female welder I remember and a female tool room worker.

Yes, there are women who work nightshifts, work construction, work on drilling rigs, do other dangerous jobs. For the most part the vast majority of those jobs are done by men.

I have been driving since around 1984. In the past 30 years I have never seen a woman changing oil or mounting tires. When I have new tires mounted or old tires rotated and balanced, it is men doing that kind of work.

Men take chances, tell me if they don't! Women work smarter and safer. Check out the facts on women in industry during WWII. better, safer, faster.

 

[nehalem256]

Did I say there's more women then men doing it?

When 98% of people in a career are men I don't think its fair to claim:

Lot's of women around here doing all those things.

 

[Texashiker]

Sorry about that.

No big deal.

In your case I would guess it's just that you never got to know a lot of women

Maybe because women do not want to do physically demanding, hot in the summer, sweating, dirty, freezing cold in the winter, long hours, weekends, holidays, sometimes no days off for a month at a time types of work?

Lets go back several thousand years and look at evolution. A recent study of leg bones show when humans developed agriculture leg bone density deceased. The reduction of strength in leg bones was more profound in men than in women

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...peaked-7-300-years-ago-declining-rapidly.html

We can conclude men have done the hard physically demanding work for thousands of years.

Women want equality, ok, step up.

Men take chances, tell me if they don't! Women work smarter and safer. Check out the facts on women in industry during WWII. better, safer, faster.

No disagreement there.

While girls are playing dolls, boys are climbing trees.

 

[Orignal Earl]

When 98% of people in a career are men I don't think its fair to claim:

You need to just grab a shovel and start digging
That'll man you up a little

 

[nehalem256]

Maybe because women do not want to do physically demanding, hot in the summer, sweating, dirty, freezing cold in the winter, long hours, weekends, holidays, sometimes no days off for a month at a time types of work?

Honestly I don't think anyone wants that kind of job.

Men are simple more willing to do so because doing so gets them laid.

 

[Phanuel]

Honestly I don't think anyone wants that kind of job.

Men are simple more willing to do so because doing so gets them laid.

The more accurate answer is because men cannot choose to sell themselves out sexually for money like women can.

We have to make money to live.

Women just have to find a man making money to live.