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GOP Senate Candidate Declares Pregnancy From Rape Is "Something God Intended"

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piasabird said:
Democrats declare Murdering Children is a thing to be celebrated.

It is a good thing that the mother of Ray Charles did not give up on him. He was just a young underprivliged poor child that went blind, but he ascended to stardom and greatness. Either you believe in life or you believe in murdering children.
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In what universe is this? Link please?
 
actuarial said:
You keep referring to abortion as execution. If a fetus is not viable, and failing to provide it with your organs to survive is execution, then where does that end?

If a 1 day old infant needs a transplant that a mother can provide, is it execution if she does not provide it? How about a 1 week old, 1 year old, 10 year old, 30 year old?
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Under current law if a fetus is viable a woman is required to provide her organs to it. So what is your point exactly?
 
actuarial said:
You keep referring to abortion as execution. If a fetus is not viable, and failing to provide it with your organs to survive is execution, then where does that end?

If a 1 day old infant needs a transplant that a mother can provide, is it execution if she does not provide it? How about a 1 week old, 1 year old, 10 year old, 30 year old?
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I missed your post before, sorry!

Intent is what matters. Let us say you and a friend are standing on a cliff edge, looking at the natural beauty fo the planet. Part of the cliff gives way under your friend and he starts to fall. As he goes over the edge, he grabs your hand, knocking you flat but you are in no danger of going over the edge. He starts to pull himself back up onto the cliff using your hand. His hand leaves your suddenly and he falls to his death.

With that in mind, we have two different events that happend just before his fall. In one, he did not have the strength to climb up and lost his grasp on your hand through no fault of your own. In the other, you opened you hand, letting go of his, causing him to fall.

In both, your friend dies. In the former, you are not at fault at all. In the latter, you helped kill him. Intent matters.


The intent of abortion is to kill the unborn human. It is the goal of the abortion. If the life of the mother is at stake and we have to choose one or the other to live, we should choose the mother. We should TRY to save both, even if the odds of the newly born (way too early) human living through it is slim to none. Intent is what matters.
 
cybrsage said:
God can use bad things to accomplish great things, of that there is no doubt, but God does not want bad things to happen to us.
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this statement is where logic goes to die.

if god did not want bad things to happen, then it is not omnipotent, as it would not let bad things happen.

if it is not omnipotent, then it is not god.

if god chooses to let bad things happen to accomplish great things, instead of accomplishing them without bad things, then god is a pure, and simple, dick.

why would anyone worship, or believe in, a dick?
 
zinfamous said:
this statement is where logic goes to die.

if god did not want bad things to happen, then it is not omnipotent, as it would not let bad things happen.

if it is not omnipotent, then it is not god.

if god chooses to let bad things happen to accomplish great things, instead of accomplishing them without bad things, then god is a pure, and simple, dick.

why would anyone worship, or believe in, a dick?
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Someone is asking for a thunderbolt 😛
 
I doubt that anybody will ever convince me that a lump of cells or even a person that has become completely brain dead is a human being. I think you diminish what it means to be a human being when you make such a claim that they are.
 
cybrsage said:
I missed your post before, sorry!

Intent is what matters. Let us say you and a friend are standing on a cliff edge, looking at the natural beauty fo the planet. Part of the cliff gives way under your friend and he starts to fall. As he goes over the edge, he grabs your hand, knocking you flat but you are in no danger of going over the edge. He starts to pull himself back up onto the cliff using your hand. His hand leaves your suddenly and he falls to his death.

With that in mind, we have two different events that happened just before his fall. In one, he did not have the strength to climb up and lost his grasp on your hand through no fault of your own. In the other, you opened you hand, letting go of his, causing him to fall.

In both, your friend dies. In the former, you are not at fault at all. In the latter, you helped kill him. Intent matters.

The intent of abortion is to kill the unborn human. It is the goal of the abortion. If the life of the mother is at stake and we have to choose one or the other to live, we should choose the mother. We should TRY to save both, even if the odds of the newly born (way too early) human living through it is slim to none. Intent is what matters.
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You completely ignored my question and made up a scenario which is not analogous. Refusing to donate an organ (post birth) is not simply having the person fall on their own. It's more akin to a third 'event' in which you refuse to use your other hand to help him up and he falls.
 
nehalem256 said:
Under current law if a fetus is viable a woman is required to provide her organs to it. So what is your point exactly?
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Then attack that. I'm not here to defend every aspect of the law. I think a woman should be able to birth the baby at any point she wants.
 
Shouldn't be a Crime then. Obviously Murder, Theft, Acts of Terror are also part of God's Intention. Why oppose anything?
 
jpeyton said:
Mourdock apologized for his comment today, Romney pulled his ad supporting him, but is still endorsing him.
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Matter of fact, Murdock merely redefined what he believed, and did not in any way apologize.
But still, in this now six page thread, the forum's debate has focused mostly on the larger slippery slope arguments regarding abortion and exceptions for incest and rape.

But for me, as a liberal trapped in a mostly the all red State of Indiana, its a matter of patriotic Indiana pride. Why does the State of Indiana mostly escape being mentioned in the national news when our politicians say and do things spectacularly stupid? And now I somehow feel vindicated by Richard Mourdock with a resultant resurgence of Hoosier pride.

As I also submit, the national news has discriminated against Indiana who has a long and proud history of politicians to tout. Remember General Hersey who was the poobah in charge of the national draft in the Vietnam era. A Hoosier born in Battle Ground, Indiana who illegally used his influence to suppress Vietnam era protests while being thick as thieves with J. Edgar Hoover. And who can forget Earl Landgrebe, the Indiana congressman, who said, after Nixon was forced to resign after the last Nixon tapes proved Nixon was a serial liar, said the following unforgettable Statement. Namely, "my mind is still made up, don't confuse me with the facts" It rtook a lot of work, as Earl Landgrebe has the distinction of being the first and last GOP nominee to lose that congressional district in living memory. As Hoosiers can only forgive so much. As I also remember Indiana democratic Senator Vance Hartkey refusing to be searched at air ports, proclaiming those laws only applied to the little people. Another forgotten Hoosier hero. And how can we forget, Dan Quail, GHB's VP who did so much to promote the image of Hoosier intelligence to a larger nation.

Of course, we Hoosiers can be justly ashamed of re-elected a bi-partisan rat fink like Richard Lugar so many times. And doubly ashamed of Lugar's work in the international effort to control loose nukes after the end of the cold war. And triply ashamed of Lugar's work in Nunn Lugar bills to control Federal spending.

But all hail, Richard Murdock, the tea party advocate who unseated that rat fink Lugar in the 2012 Indiana GOP primary. As my heart bursts with Hoosier pride, as Richard Murdock restores the State of Indiana to its proper place as possessing the most stupid politicians in the entire USA.
 
actuarial said:
Then attack that. I'm not here to defend every aspect of the law. I think a woman should be able to birth the baby at any point she wants.
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If you think it should be legal to pop out a perfectly health 6 month fetus why not just support directly aborting it?

It seems a lot more compassionate to me.

Instead of dooming it to a likely painful short life and death, or significant health problems.
 
mchammer187 said:
True but from that than abortion is also a part of God's plan.
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It's funny when religion falls flat on its face from its own beliefs. If you're the type that believes god does things and controls than you have to take the good with the bad as its all gods will at that point. Obviously he is okay with abortions.
 
nehalem256 said:
God's plan is life. Satan's plan is death.

Abortion is part of satan's plan.
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But the rape is a part of God's plan?

God = Omnipotent and all knowing.

Haven't you ever heard the phrase God works in mysterious ways. If an earthquake killing hundreds of thousands of people is God working in mysterious ways than why can't abortion too. What happens God has already predetermined it should happen. So whatever happens happens. If some sociopath murders your family its all a part of God's plan if he gets caught that was God's plan too.
 
nehalem256 said:
God's plan is life. Satan's plan is death.

Abortion is part of satan's plan.
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I agree I was talking with Satan the other night told me about this plan. He called it a 5 point plan, but he wouldnt go into any details, just that abortion was a big part of it.
 
CharlesKozierok said:
In a minority of cases, usually when there are severe genetic defects.

In the vast majority of cases, the intent of abortion is for the woman to no longer be pregnant.
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So Hitler didn't intend to kill Jews, he just wanted to rid Germany of them. :hmm:

Does that mean the Holocaust was not immoral?

mchammer187 said:
But the rape is a part of God's plan?

God = Omnipotent and all knowing.

Haven't you ever heard the phrase God works in mysterious ways. If an earthquake killing hundreds of thousands of people is God working in mysterious ways than why can't abortion too. What happens God has already predetermined it should happen. So whatever happens happens. If some sociopath murders your family its all a part of God's plan if he gets caught that was God's plan too.
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The mysterious way is the rape.
 
jpeyton said:
I'm firmly in this camp. A woman can do what she wants with her body. We have 7 billion living humans on this planet who take priority over a clump of cells and tissue, whether you believe those living cells/tissue are a human or not.
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Isn't that all you are, a clump of cells and tissues? Yet you have rights under the law, and I'm in favor of those rights.
 
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