Under current law if a fetus is viable a woman is required to provide her organs to it. So what is your point exactly?
Actually it would seem that people on welfare can't survive on their own either.
Should it be legal to shoot them? :sneaky:
cybrsage
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I missed your post before, sorry!
Intent is what matters. Let us say you and a friend are standing on a cliff edge, looking at the natural beauty fo the planet. Part of the cliff gives way under your friend and he starts to fall. As he goes over the edge, he grabs your hand, knocking you flat but you are in no danger of going over the edge. He starts to pull himself back up onto the cliff using your hand. His hand leaves your suddenly and he falls to his death.
With that in mind, we have two different events that happend just before his fall. In one, he did not have the strength to climb up and lost his grasp on your hand through no fault of your own. In the other, you opened you hand, letting go of his, causing him to fall.
In both, your friend dies. In the former, you are not at fault at all. In the latter, you helped kill him. Intent matters.
The intent of abortion is to kill the unborn human. It is the goal of the abortion. If the life of the mother is at stake and we have to choose one or the other to live, we should choose the mother. We should TRY to save both, even if the odds of the newly born (way too early) human living through it is slim to none. Intent is what matters.
zinfamous
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this statement is where logic goes to die.
if god did not want bad things to happen, then it is not omnipotent, as it would not let bad things happen.
if it is not omnipotent, then it is not god.
if god chooses to let bad things happen to accomplish great things, instead of accomplishing them without bad things, then god is a pure, and simple, dick.
why would anyone worship, or believe in, a dick?
X / 0 = Infinity I learned this from Michio Kaku, a most excellent explainer of physics.
If for example "X" =10, then Infinity times 0 equals 10 which is a no.
I doubt that anybody will ever convince me that a lump of cells or even a person that has become completely brain dead is a human being. I think you diminish what it means to be a human being when you make such a claim that they are.
For the religious pro-life people out there, doesn't life begin when God breathes life into the child?
You completely ignored my question and made up a scenario which is not analogous. Refusing to donate an organ (post birth) is not simply having the person fall on their own. It's more akin to a third 'event' in which you refuse to use your other hand to help him up and he falls.
Then attack that. I'm not here to defend every aspect of the law. I think a woman should be able to birth the baby at any point she wants.
Lemon law
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Matter of fact, Murdock merely redefined what he believed, and did not in any way apologize.
But still, in this now six page thread, the forum's debate has focused mostly on the larger slippery slope arguments regarding abortion and exceptions for incest and rape.
But for me, as a liberal trapped in a mostly the all red State of Indiana, its a matter of patriotic Indiana pride. Why does the State of Indiana mostly escape being mentioned in the national news when our politicians say and do things spectacularly stupid? And now I somehow feel vindicated by Richard Mourdock with a resultant resurgence of Hoosier pride.
As I also submit, the national news has discriminated against Indiana who has a long and proud history of politicians to tout. Remember General Hersey who was the poobah in charge of the national draft in the Vietnam era. A Hoosier born in Battle Ground, Indiana who illegally used his influence to suppress Vietnam era protests while being thick as thieves with J. Edgar Hoover. And who can forget Earl Landgrebe, the Indiana congressman, who said, after Nixon was forced to resign after the last Nixon tapes proved Nixon was a serial liar, said the following unforgettable Statement. Namely, "my mind is still made up, don't confuse me with the facts" It rtook a lot of work, as Earl Landgrebe has the distinction of being the first and last GOP nominee to lose that congressional district in living memory. As Hoosiers can only forgive so much. As I also remember Indiana democratic Senator Vance Hartkey refusing to be searched at air ports, proclaiming those laws only applied to the little people. Another forgotten Hoosier hero. And how can we forget, Dan Quail, GHB's VP who did so much to promote the image of Hoosier intelligence to a larger nation.
Of course, we Hoosiers can be justly ashamed of re-elected a bi-partisan rat fink like Richard Lugar so many times. And doubly ashamed of Lugar's work in the international effort to control loose nukes after the end of the cold war. And triply ashamed of Lugar's work in Nunn Lugar bills to control Federal spending.
But all hail, Richard Murdock, the tea party advocate who unseated that rat fink Lugar in the 2012 Indiana GOP primary. As my heart bursts with Hoosier pride, as Richard Murdock restores the State of Indiana to its proper place as possessing the most stupid politicians in the entire USA.
If you think it should be legal to pop out a perfectly health 6 month fetus why not just support directly aborting it?
It seems a lot more compassionate to me.
Instead of dooming it to a likely painful short life and death, or significant health problems.
It's funny when religion falls flat on its face from its own beliefs. If you're the type that believes god does things and controls than you have to take the good with the bad as its all gods will at that point. Obviously he is okay with abortions.
In a minority of cases, usually when there are severe genetic defects.
In the vast majority of cases, the intent of abortion is for the woman to no longer be pregnant.
But the rape is a part of God's plan?
God = Omnipotent and all knowing.
Haven't you ever heard the phrase God works in mysterious ways. If an earthquake killing hundreds of thousands of people is God working in mysterious ways than why can't abortion too. What happens God has already predetermined it should happen. So whatever happens happens. If some sociopath murders your family its all a part of God's plan if he gets caught that was God's plan too.
lotus503
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I agree I was talking with Satan the other night told me about this plan. He called it a 5 point plan, but he wouldnt go into any details, just that abortion was a big part of it.
So Hitler didn't intend to kill Jews, he just wanted to rid Germany of them. :hmm:
Does that mean the Holocaust was not immoral?
The mysterious way is the rape.
Isn't that all you are, a clump of cells and tissues? Yet you have rights under the law, and I'm in favor of those rights.
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