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GOP pushing Blunt amendment: another attack on womens healthcare

HomerJS

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A vote is scheduled in the US Senate Thursday on the Blunt amendment. Simply put it allows employers and insurance companies to deny any health coverage based on their religious or moral convictions.

Here is the response from Democrats and Sen. Chuch Schumer
But Senate Democrats have raised concerns that the "religious freedom" argument is actually part of a broader attempt by social conservatives to restrict access to birth control.
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said on the Senate Floor Wednesday. "This measure would force women to surrender control of their own health decisions to their bosses. That concept, it is not merely quaint or old-fashioned. It is dangerous and it is wrong."
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With this amendment your boss is allowed to deny employees medical coverage if they simply don't like it (moral objections). Let's take a real possibility, Rick Santorun has publically stated he is against pre-natal care because women just go out and get abortions. If a pregnant womans doctor thinks she needs an ultrasound her boss (let's say Rick) can deny coverage because he is against pre-natal care.

major companies are now required under Title XII to cover contraception for their employees to the same extent that they cover the costs of other types of drugs. But if the Blunt amendment passes, they will be able to ignore the cost-sharing requirement of the Affordable Care Act that asks them to cover birth control at no cost for their employees, leaving women with a burdensome co-pay. They will also be able to freely deny their employees other kinds of health coverage by citing a moral objection.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/29/roy-blunt-amendment-walmart-contraception_n_1310596.html
 
So what's your problem with it, that atheists can't take advantage of the law to get out from under the yoke of Obamacare?
 
glenn1 said:
So what's your problem with it, that atheists can't take advantage of the law to get out from under the yoke of Obamacare?
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Weak argument is weak...

but hey, the GOP needs a new Terri Schiavo - and here it is....

\and Ayn Rand collected SS...
 
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As much as "progressives" want to say this is denying women access to health care, yeah, I'm not buying that argument.

That's why this "debate" never goes anywhere.
 
UberNeuman said:
Weak argument is weak...

but hey, the GOP needs a new Terri Schiavo - and here it is....
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How about simply that it's stupid for insurance to cover a routine, expected expense like birth control, as you're simply pre-paying the expense via the insurance premiums with a dollop of administrative costs on top. See - you don't even need to cite a religious reason, you can just oppose being forced to do stupid things by Washington.
 
cubby1223 said:
As much as "progressives" want to say this is denying women access to health care, yeah, I'm not buying that argument.

That's why this "debate" never goes anywhere.
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Do you deny that cost is a barrier to services? Or do you deny that birth control is a part of women's healthcare? 😕
 
glenn1 said:
How about simply that it's stupid for insurance to cover a routine, expected expense like birth control, as you're simply pre-paying the expense via the insurance premiums with a dollop of administrative costs on top. See - you don't even need to cite a religious reason, you can just oppose being forced to do stupid things by Washington.
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How about we ask why this "issue" of birth control has become such a major talking point?
 
MovingTarget said:
Do you deny that cost is a barrier to services? Or do you deny that birth control is a part of women's healthcare? 😕
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Do you believe the Catholic Church wants women to be sick and unhealthy?

You know what the weirdest part of this "debate" is? For as much money as the "progressive left" spends on this legislative issue, that money could instead just be diverted and probably more than cover the costs of handing out birth control for whomever requests it. You are happy. Catholics are happy. Women are not dying in the streets from health care denial.

To me, there is a very easy solution to this critical problem, and that is just go do it. But instead, the "progressive left" chooses not to, and just bitch and moan and whine and whatever else they do.
 
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Does this mean an employer such as a hospital could opt out of state required but medically unnecessary trans-vaginal ultra-sounds for women seeking abortions on moral/ethical grounds?

Enquiring minds. 🙂
 
cubby1223 said:
Do you believe the Catholic Church wants women to be sick and unhealthy?

You know what the weirdest part of this "debate" is? For as much money as the "progressive left" spends on this legislative issue, that money could instead just be diverted and probably more than cover the costs of handing out birth control for whomever requests it. You are happy. Catholics are happy. Women are not dying in the streets from health care denial.
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Yeah, it is wierd. However, it isn't the progressive left that is making a fuss over a regulation already in place (but not yet running) under duly passed legislation.

As far as the Catholic Church is concerned, that is not their intent, but it is most certainly an effect of their policy opposing contraception.
 
cubby1223 said:
To me, there is a very easy solution to this critical problem, and that is just go do it. But instead, the "progressive left" chooses not to, and just bitch and moan and whine and whatever else they do.
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So your solution is that women should have to rely on charity? I'm sorry, but that hasn't ever really been viable as an overarching healthcare policy.

Besides, the left does provide a lot of the funding for birth control and other women's health services. Remember Planned Parenthood? The right does just about everything it can to shut PP down, expending a HUGE amount of their time and resources to do so... Things would be so much easier if the right would quit using women's health as a pawn in the "culture wars".
 
BTW - Mittens was asked his opinion on the bill this morning he said "I'm against it"

Within the hour he flip-flopped.
 
cubby1223 said:
Do you believe the Catholic Church wants women to be sick and unhealthy?

You know what the weirdest part of this "debate" is? For as much money as the "progressive left" spends on this legislative issue, that money could instead just be diverted and probably more than cover the costs of handing out birth control for whomever requests it. You are happy. Catholics are happy. Women are not dying in the streets from health care denial.

To me, there is a very easy solution to this critical problem, and that is just go do it. But instead, the "progressive left" chooses not to, and just bitch and moan and whine and whatever else they do.
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What the hell does this nonsense have to do with certain employers ignoring employment laws under the guise of religious freedom?
 
glenn1

"How about simply that it's stupid for insurance to cover a routine, expected expense like birth control"

Yeah, why bother with stupid, routine, expected expenses like physicals, cancer screenings (includes numerous regular tests), blood pressure checks, cholesterol and blood sugar checks, vaccines, etc..
 
jackschmittusa said:
glenn1

"How about simply that it's stupid for insurance to cover a routine, expected expense like birth control"

Yeah, why bother with stupid, routine, expected expenses like physicals, cancer screenings (includes numerous regular tests), blood pressure checks, cholesterol and blood sugar checks, vaccines, etc..
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Because we all know all those recur every month as a part of normal life, right?

I swear, sometimes I think progressives are nothing more than walking appetites for free stuff.
 
glenn1 said:
So what's your problem with it, that atheists can't take advantage of the law to get out from under the yoke of Obamacare?
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Actually they can.

The bill allows any employer to opt out if they have "moral objections", which basically means anyone can opt out of any damn reason they want. And it's not limited to contraception either.

Thus this has nothing to do with religious freedom as the GOP is trying to claim.
 
werepossum said:
Because we all know all those recur every month as a part of normal life, right?

I swear, sometimes I think progressives are nothing more than walking appetites for free stuff.
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If the amendment said insurance companies and employers didn't have to pay for any health coverage that is part of normal life your point would be valid. But if a boss is against pre-natal screenings like Rick Santorum and a pregnant woman needs one the boss can deny coverage. If someone needs STD treatments a boss can deny coverage claiming he is against condoning immoral behavior.
 
HomerJS said:
A vote is scheduled in the US Senate Thursday on the Blunt amendment. Simply put it allows employers and insurance companies to deny any health coverage based on their religious or moral convictions.

Here is the response from Democrats and Sen. Chuch Schumer


With this amendment your boss is allowed to deny employees medical coverage if they simply don't like it (moral objections). Let's take a real possibility, Rick Santorun has publically stated he is against pre-natal care because women just go out and get abortions. If a pregnant womans doctor thinks she needs an ultrasound her boss (let's say Rick) can deny coverage because he is against pre-natal care.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/29/roy-blunt-amendment-walmart-contraception_n_1310596.html
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We force mosques to serve bacon. They complain that this infringes on their religious freedom. Democrat response: "What's wrong with bacon? They're trying to ban bacon!
 
The huffingtonpost is the new age bible for Dem-ons. LOL . It can't pass without dem-ons on board. Its like the Bill that Obama signed on 1/1/12. That bill never gets to Obummers desk without Rep. support. So to blame obummer for our loss of due process is a comedy act . Obummer signed it which he shouldn't have , As the people who created the law our represenitives of WE the People . I assure you . That WE the People are NOT behind this law . The entire Senate and congress and obummer who were for this . Need to stand trail for treason against WE the People
 
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