GOP pushing Blunt amendment: another attack on womens healthcare

[Modelworks]

Because we all know all those recur every month as a part of normal life, right?

I swear, sometimes I think progressives are nothing more than walking appetites for free stuff.

I agree.

People fail to understand that.

Insurance was NOT created for paying for checkups, routine lab testing, drug cost. It was created for UNEXPECTED expenses. Over the years it has morphed into an all you can eat buffet for medical cost of any kind and that is the sole reason medical cost are so high. No longer do you have services that cost $35 , instead you have doctors that charge $100 because they know the insurance companies will not pay that and so for the same service you might pay $40 or you might pay $25 depending on how much weight your insurance company has with the provider. This doesn't work in any other industry except medicine.

Imagine if it cost $1000 to have the oil changed in a car. People can't afford that so they buy new auto insurance plans to pay that cost. Gas goes to $10 a gallon, can't afford it, get a new insurance plan to cover the cost. These are no longer insurance plans they are unions you are paying to be a member of in order to get prices at the special pricing. That is exactly what health insurance has become, it isn't insurance, it is a union where you join the club to get the clubs special pricing. Depending on which club you join determines what you get charged for the same service that someone else has to pay full price for.

 

[glenn1]

Because we all know all those recur every month as a part of normal life, right?

I swear, sometimes I think progressives are nothing more than walking appetites for free stuff.

Ironically though, the "free stuff" is profits for the insurance companies. In order to give a portion of women $25/month worth of "free" birth control pills, they'll be charging everyone $30/month to cover the pill cost plus a profit on top for themselves.

 

[Ausm]

But hey - the GOP is working on jobs - amiright!?!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

They are hammering on the culture Wars because they have no cards to play and they are going to be totally fucked in Nov.

 

[Jaskalas]

Because we all know all those recur every month as a part of normal life, right?

I swear, sometimes I think progressives are nothing more than walking appetites for free stuff.

The Greeks agree.

 

[Ausm]

Because we all know all those recur every month as a part of normal life, right?

I swear, sometimes I think progressives are nothing more than walking appetites for free stuff.

That's funny because 'Conservatives" think Multiple Wars,Medicare part D and massive tax cuts magically pay for themselves.

 

[Jeff7]

How about we ask why this "issue" of birth control has become such a major talking point?

Kind of weird, isn't it?

Anytime anything comes up involving sex in any way, the reaction is about as civilized and intelligent as a bunch of chimps reacting to a pack of firecrackers going off: Everyone gets all worked up, there's a lot of screaming and yelling and running around, then the chimps write laws to make fire illegal.

 

[HomerJS]

Blunt amendment has been defeated. Common sense prevails for now.

 

[Mxylplyx]

I'd love to see what the supporters of this bill would say if a Mormon organization wanted to deny coverage for blood transfusions, or if some wacky environmentalist group wanted to deny coverage for maternity care altogether since they think the earth is overpopulated.

 

[Throckmorton]

In the year 2012 how did birth control become a campaign issue?

 

[Linflas]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

They are hammering on the culture Wars because they have no cards to play and they are going to be totally fucked in Nov.

Really? This round of the culture wars was started not by the Republicans but rather by the Democrats with their operative George Stephanopoulos's question to Mitt Romney regarding contraception. Not one Republican candidate has put forth any proposal to restrict anyone's right to use contraception yet it was such a burning issue in Stephanopoulos's mind that he had to ask it at the debate he was moderating. Note that that question was asked right before the Obama administration came out with their mandate that would require Catholic organizations to provide coverage for contraception and morning after pills. What an amazing coincidence. It is the Democrats and the left that seems to want to co-mingle the right to use contraception with the demand that government mandate reaching into someone else s pocket to pay for it.

 

[surfsatwerk]

In the year 2012 how did birth control become a campaign issue?

Lots of men terrified of anything related to vaginas.

 

[Mxylplyx]

In the year 2012 how did birth control become a campaign issue?

Because many social conservatives still think it is 1912.

 

[Ausm]

Really? This round of the culture wars was started not by the Republicans but rather by the Democrats with their operative George Stephanopoulos's question to Mitt Romney regarding contraception. Not one Republican candidate has put forth any proposal to restrict anyone's right to use contraception yet it was such a burning issue in Stephanopoulos's mind that he had to ask it at the debate he was moderating. Note that that question was asked right before the Obama administration came out with their mandate that would require Catholic organizations to provide coverage for contraception and morning after pills. What an amazing coincidence. It is the Democrats and the left that seems to want to co-mingle the right to use contraception with the demand that government mandate reaching into someone else s pocket to pay for it.

So you are basically blaming Liberals because your party is to stupid to realize that it is beating a dead horse and the hard Right is doing their best to alienate Women voters now?

 

[HomerJS]

Really? This round of the culture wars was started not by the Republicans but rather by the Democrats with their operative George Stephanopoulos's question to Mitt Romney regarding contraception. Not one Republican candidate has put forth any proposal to restrict anyone's right to use contraception yet it was such a burning issue in Stephanopoulos's mind that he had to ask it at the debate he was moderating. Note that that question was asked right before the Obama administration came out with their mandate that would require Catholic organizations to provide coverage for contraception and morning after pills. What an amazing coincidence. It is the Democrats and the left that seems to want to co-mingle the right to use contraception with the demand that government mandate reaching into someone else s pocket to pay for it.

I respectfully disagree. The personhood bills being pushed in various states by the GOP would ban birth control pills. Dems didn't open that can o' worms. That happened before the announcement of contraception coverage as part of health care reform.

You are supposed to listen to Fox News just to see what the right is talking about, not take them seriously.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

Social conservatives are funny

 

[Linflas]

I respectfully disagree. The personhood bills being pushed in various states by the GOP would ban birth control pills. Dems didn't open that can o' worms. That happened before the announcement of contraception coverage as part of health care reform.

You are supposed to listen to Fox News just to see what the right is talking about, not take them seriously.

Actually there have been bills concerning abortifacients not birth control pills. They are not the same thing.

You are supposed to listen to MSNBC just to see what the left is talking about, not take them seriously.

 

[Ausm]

Senate just killed it! W000T

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_n...enate-defeats-limit-on-birth-control-coverage

 

[RedChief]

Senate just killed it! W000T

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_n...enate-defeats-limit-on-birth-control-coverage

So I'm going to have to pay for some girl and some guy to be able to have sex and not only will I not be able to be part of it, I won't even be able to watch it (hey, if I'm paying for it, I might as well get something out of it).


Seriously, what ever happened to personal responsibility. If you can't afford a baby or the birth control to keep a baby from being made, how about you just NOT HAVE SEX?

 

[Bird222]

So I'm going to have to pay for some girl and some guy to be able to have sex and not only will I not be able to be part of it, I won't even be able to watch it (hey, if I'm paying for it, I might as well get something out of it).


Seriously, what ever happened to personal responsibility. If you can't afford a baby or the birth control to keep a baby from being made, how about you just NOT HAVE SEX?

See this sounds good in theory (as alot of theories do), but in reality how many human beings are going to stop screwing whether they have birth control or not? Some would say it's even a biological drive to procreate. So how about we deal with reality and stop unwanted pregnancies (or many at least) and not have a bunch of babies that the state will end up having to take care of. Bonus, it will also reduce the amount of abortions.

 

[werepossum]

If the amendment said insurance companies and employers didn't have to pay for any health coverage that is part of normal life your point would be valid. But if a boss is against pre-natal screenings like Rick Santorum and a pregnant woman needs one the boss can deny coverage. If someone needs STD treatments a boss can deny coverage claiming he is against condoning immoral behavior.

That's one big problem with overreaching government action - it tends to spawn other overreaching government action.

werepossum

Monthly? Where's your cutoff point? Quarterly? Semi-annual? Annual?

My own cut-off is normal life. I don't think insurance, which automatically increases society's cost for something, should be used for normal things like birth control or physicals. Unfortunately progressives have convinced far too many people that someone else should pay for things you need, so that people today thing health insurance shouldn't be insurance at all, but merely someone else paying for their health care.

We force mosques to serve bacon. They complain that this infringes on their religious freedom. Democrat response: "What's wrong with bacon? They're trying to ban bacon!

LOL +1

 

[werepossum]

I agree.

People fail to understand that.

Insurance was NOT created for paying for checkups, routine lab testing, drug cost. It was created for UNEXPECTED expenses. Over the years it has morphed into an all you can eat buffet for medical cost of any kind and that is the sole reason medical cost are so high. No longer do you have services that cost $35 , instead you have doctors that charge $100 because they know the insurance companies will not pay that and so for the same service you might pay $40 or you might pay $25 depending on how much weight your insurance company has with the provider. This doesn't work in any other industry except medicine.

Imagine if it cost $1000 to have the oil changed in a car. People can't afford that so they buy new auto insurance plans to pay that cost. Gas goes to $10 a gallon, can't afford it, get a new insurance plan to cover the cost. These are no longer insurance plans they are unions you are paying to be a member of in order to get prices at the special pricing. That is exactly what health insurance has become, it isn't insurance, it is a union where you join the club to get the clubs special pricing. Depending on which club you join determines what you get charged for the same service that someone else has to pay full price for.

Exactly.

Ironically though, the "free stuff" is profits for the insurance companies. In order to give a portion of women $25/month worth of "free" birth control pills, they'll be charging everyone $30/month to cover the pill cost plus a profit on top for themselves.

Quite true.

That's funny because 'Conservatives" think Multiple Wars,Medicare part D and massive tax cuts magically pay for themselves.

Actually conservatives don't think that at all. However, Republicans (not necessarily the same thing) aren't willing to pay the political price in higher taxes for the things they want.

 

[werepossum]

In the year 2012 how did birth control become a campaign issue?

From Obama's standpoint, it's a pretty smart political move. Mandating "free" birth control buys some votes, strains more money out of corporations, and raises the cost of health care (therefore shortening the time before all health care is in the hands of government.) Adding that requirement on the Catholic Church ensures that social conservatives will have to fight, else our First Amendment rights slip even further away. That reduces the time, energy and money remaining for Republicans and conservatives to attack him for other things where he might be more vulnerable. It also allows his buds in the media to attack Republicans for being "anti-woman" and "anti-birth control". The Arizona debate for instance was very light on housing and illegal immigration, two major issues in that state, in favor of questions about birth control. Politically it's a smart move. And the more things the Democrats succeed in nationalizing, the more easily they can do this sort of thing to frame the political debate.

And on another level it's inevitable. Drugs like the morning after pill blur the line between birth control and abortion. Since social conservatives are dead set against anything that smacks of abortion and progressives are insistent that government provide or force someone else to provide every form of birth control and any other form of health care, the clash is inevitable. Someone took advantage of this inevitable clash and framed it in the manner most advantageous to Obama and thus the progressives' hopes. Have to admire that political acumen. Once you understand that a clash is inevitable, framing the debate to stack the odds in your favor is smart, and doing so when the debate also removes attacks where you are more vulnerable is doubly so.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

The huffingtonpost is the new age bible for Dem-ons. LOL . It can't pass without dem-ons on board. Its like the Bill that Obama signed on 1/1/12. That bill never gets to Obummers desk without Rep. support. So to blame obummer for our loss of due process is a comedy act . Obummer signed it which he shouldn't have , As the people who created the law our represenitives of WE the People . I assure you . That WE the People are NOT behind this law . The entire Senate and congress and obummer who were for this . Need to stand trail for treason against WE the People

It's amazing that people like you are able to operate a computer, let alone end up on a tech site. How do backwoods crazy folk like you even get internet?

As for the amendment, I really do hope it fails. The GOP is so fucking out of touch with reality. Our youth is tired of you trying to drown them with your religious bullshit. You guys are going to end up like Murder She Wrote...all the viewers died off.

 

[Fern]

-snip-
do you deny that birth control is a part of women's healthcare?

Yeah.

If you're one of the rare examples where contraceptives are prescribed for a medical problem then, yes, it a health care issue.

If you're using it merely as a contraceptive, its a 'family planning' or pregnancy issue.

Pregnancy is a serious matter and has lots of implications, but it isn't a disease.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Yeah, it is wierd. However, it isn't the progressive left that is making a fuss over a regulation already in place (but not yet running) under duly passed legislation.
-snip-

For one thing, legislation cannot trump the Constitution.

For another, and my real point/question here, are you sure that specific rule was in the HC bill? I'm hearing it wasn't.

As with a good part of issues in the HC bill, where the 'details' were left up to unelected administrative drones, I'm hearing this wasn't in the bill, and despite assurances by Obama, the drones inserted this requirement post legislation.

Fern